What happens when you eat 10,000 Calories in 1 meal?

missysippy930 wrote: »

Very interesting topic OP.
Makes me wonder about how many calories the people on “My 600 Pound Life” consumed daily to get to 600 pounds. I would think it would have to be almost non stop eating all day when they are awake.
10,000 calories is an awful lot of food.
Not positive, but guessing I’ve never eaten that much in one day. So, I guess it’s consistently, overeating, not a one day binge, where the pounds add on.

I'd guess it's something you build up to also though, right? So they start out eating 3000, then 4000, then 5000. And their body gets used to dealing with that volume of energy slowly but surely over the years. Maybe gets more efficient at storing energy as they go, so they are wasting less of it eventually? The episodes I've seen where the person is mostly bedridden, it does seem like what they do all day to keep busy is eat.

I would think the average person who hasn't been morbidly obese for awhile, would have a tough time keeping down 10,000 calories in a meal or even day, regardless of calorie density.

perezlau wrote: »

If 1lb of fat is 3,500 Calories does one gain 2-3lbs after a 10,000 Calorie meal? Do you gain it over night or after some days?

I know glycogen is stored in the liver until glucose/atp levels are too high in our blood, but is there a limit to how many glucose/ATP molecules can be produced in _ time? Is there a rate or limit by which the body can convert glycogen to fatty acids stored as fat?

Or does the body not absorb it all?

I guess I'm asking.. will the body process every "calorie" in excess and store it as fat or is there a limit?

Just a guess, but I don't think our body ever processes every single calorie. Barring living in a lab 24/7 hooked up to all kinds of monitors, all the numbers we use are estimates, and calorie counting is a game of manipulating estimates until your results line up. I'd guess that the farther outside of "optimal" you push the consumption/digestion/elimination process, the more variance from the estimates you get.

JulieSHelms wrote: »

Muscleflex79 wrote: »

JulieSHelms wrote: »

It depends on what it is as to how much of that will get packed as fat.

If you ate 10,000 calories of pure whale blubber, your insulin would never be triggered, and you would store none of it. If you ate 10,000 in pasta, pizza and ice cream, your insulin would be working overtime diligently storing some of the excess. If you ate 10,000 in pure protein (for a long time), you'd eventually starve (google rabbit starvation diet).

So if you're gonna binge--leave out the carbs. Of course most binge-worthy foods are a carb/fat mix--Ideal for long-term storage!

did you seriously just say that if you eat 10,000 calories of fat it would not be stored or cause any weight gain?

Yep. You have to have circulating insulin to store fat. You need carbs to trigger insulin. So without insulin your body would use what it needs and pass out the rest.

I actually proved this (to a lesser degree) in my weight loss journey. I was a huge carb eater and insulin resistant--so constantly had tons of insulin busily packing fat. I lost my first 50 lbs (in 8 months) by simply removing carbs almost completely from my diet--but the kicker was I was eating MORE calories from fat and protein to make up the loss of volume. Till I hit a wall--no more came off, but regardless of how much I ate (carb-free) I didn't gain at all. Then I started actually cutting calories. 1200/day for 8 months (and low-carb but not no carb) and lost the last 80lbs. Fat and protein alone do not make you gain.

This is over-simplified because the body is very complex and food is rarely just one thing, but in general it is true. I find CICO to be even more of an over simplification and not as accurate if you don't take into account the source of the calories.

This is the only part that caused you to lose fat.

JulieSHelms wrote: »

Muscleflex79 wrote: »

JulieSHelms wrote: »

It depends on what it is as to how much of that will get packed as fat.

If you ate 10,000 calories of pure whale blubber, your insulin would never be triggered, and you would store none of it. If you ate 10,000 in pasta, pizza and ice cream, your insulin would be working overtime diligently storing some of the excess. If you ate 10,000 in pure protein (for a long time), you'd eventually starve (google rabbit starvation diet).

So if you're gonna binge--leave out the carbs. Of course most binge-worthy foods are a carb/fat mix--Ideal for long-term storage!

did you seriously just say that if you eat 10,000 calories of fat it would not be stored or cause any weight gain?

Yep. You have to have circulating insulin to store fat. You need carbs to trigger insulin. So without insulin your body would use what it needs and pass out the rest.

I actually proved this (to a lesser degree) in my weight loss journey. I was a huge carb eater and insulin resistant--so constantly had tons of insulin busily packing fat. I lost my first 50 lbs (in 8 months) by simply removing carbs almost completely from my diet--but the kicker was I was eating MORE calories from fat and protein to make up the loss of volume. Till I hit a wall--no more came off, but regardless of how much I ate (carb-free) I didn't gain at all. Then I started actually cutting calories. 1200/day for 8 months (and low-carb but not no carb) and lost the last 80lbs. Fat and protein alone do not make you gain.

This is over-simplified because the body is very complex and food is rarely just one thing, but in general it is true. I find CICO to be even more of an over simplification and not as accurate if you don't take into account the source of the calories.

So you were accurately logging your food and calories when you were overweight and eating carbs, and then you could accurately compare your calorie intake to when you were trying to lose weight?

What method or devise were you using to test your insulin levels after each meal?

Is your endicrinologist aware of this? Can you explain why thousands of diabetics who test themselves regularly in order to monitor their insulin dosages haven't seen this effect?

I can at least tell you without hesitation protein does indeed cause an insulin response. This is in fact a remarkably easy thing to test for, certainly not something the medical community could hide (for those assuming a conspiracy of some type).

JulieSHelms wrote: »

I'm kind of surprised at the blowback I'm getting here. I didn't make this up.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose

I don't see where that backs up anything you said. Yes, we all know insulin ushers glucose into the cells. But you don't have to eat glucose, your body extracts energy from food during the digestion process.

Joey Chestnut consumes 35,025 calories in less than 10 minutes every 4th of July.

Nathan's hot dog sausage=170 each
Nathan's hot dog bun=297
Total calories per hot dog=467
Last few year's average= 75 consumed
Total calories = 35,025

Once upon a time, I would eat two hot dogs and an entire box of Twinkies for breakfast then have a pint of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Ice cream for dessert because every meal deserves dessert. Wash it all down with a Coke.

Hot dogs with Miracle Whip and ketchup=1074
10 twinkies = 1500
Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie Ice cream = 1040
20 oz Coke = 240

Total = 3854

After that, a typical lunch would be a pound of fried chicken livers, a hamburger, a personal sized pizza, potato wedges, a Snickers or other candy bar, and another coke. NOT separate lunches--all those items every day. All from a convenience store.

Total = 1900 or more.

That's 5774 for 2 meals.

After that, dinner. Ridiculous amounts of food either fried or pasta-based with plenty of bread on the side. If we had spaghetti, I had an entire loaf of garlic bread by myself. We always made one for each person in the house. If someone else didn't finish theirs, I would.

I have no doubt that most days in my life I went over 10,000 calories and probably had several meals that would come close if I really thought about it. Like the time I ate an entire large super supreme Pizza Hut pan pizza by myself at one sitting. Then ate a pan of brownies for dessert. Coke to wash it down. Looks like that's about 7000 calories.

10,000 calories in a day is easy to do if you are eating the wrong foods. Think about it.

10,000 calories would be very hard, but I am sure I have certainly done over 5,000 before at special events. Give me unlimited food and I will graze like nobody's business. I'm also a tall-ish male so that may improve my ability to handle it gastrointestinally (interestingly enough, I have IBS, and huge days of eating like that don't trigger it nearly as much as just some random food will). At a wedding last month I probably had back to back days (rehearsal and wedding day), where I had a meal (defined as a period over 2-3 hours) that were 5,000 plus in calories. My experience with it based on the gains I did and did not get was that while that would certainly not be a good idea to do regularly, my body probably did not absorb all the calories from those meals.

In general, fat gain does not happen overnight (even though water weight on the scale leads people to believe otherwise), which is why I tend to always try to preach calm when people post statuses freaking out about 1 or 2 bad days they have. Just like weight is not lost overnight, it is not gained overnight either. It is long term trends that affect us. However regular binging is part of a trend, and that wouldn't be beneficial from a weight loss, physical, or emotional perspective. But nobody gains a whole lot of fat off one single meal, so it's important to keep that in perspective sometimes.

Since I eat 1000-1200 calories/day, I know I would never be able to hold down anywhere near that amount of calories! I would be super ill!!

Twiley510 wrote: »

Joey Chestnut consumes 35,025 calories in less than 10 minutes every 4th of July.

Nathan's hot dog sausage=170 each
Nathan's hot dog bun=297
Total calories per hot dog=467
Last few year's average= 75 consumed
Total calories = 35,025

Once upon a time, I would eat two hot dogs and an entire box of Twinkies for breakfast then have a pint of Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Ice cream for dessert because every meal deserves dessert. Wash it all down with a Coke.

Hot dogs with Miracle Whip and ketchup=1074
10 twinkies = 1500
Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie Ice cream = 1040
20 oz Coke = 240

Total = 3854

After that, a typical lunch would be a pound of fried chicken livers, a hamburger, a personal sized pizza, potato wedges, a Snickers or other candy bar, and another coke. NOT separate lunches--all those items every day. All from a convenience store.

Total = 1900 or more.

That's 5774 for 2 meals.

After that, dinner. Ridiculous amounts of food either fried or pasta-based with plenty of bread on the side. If we had spaghetti, I had an entire loaf of garlic bread by myself. We always made one for each person in the house. If someone else didn't finish theirs, I would.

I have no doubt that most days in my life I went over 10,000 calories and probably had several meals that would come close if I really thought about it. Like the time I ate an entire large super supreme Pizza Hut pan pizza by myself at one sitting. Then ate a pan of brownies for dessert. Coke to wash it down. Looks like that's about 7000 calories.

10,000 calories in a day is easy to do if you are eating the wrong foods. Think about it.

Joey Chestnut is a world champion professional eater. That is like saying that scoring 30 points in a professional basketball game is easy because Lebron James does it all the time.

As far when you ate that much, what was your highest weight? The bigger you are, the more calories you need to just exist. But if you regularly ate 10,000+ calories in a day I'd imagine you would have gained a significant amount of weight very quickly. And nothing about what you described as a regular eating pattern seems remotely easy to accomplish. I don't think most people would be able to come close to that.

JulieSHelms wrote: »

Muscleflex79 wrote: »

JulieSHelms wrote: »

It depends on what it is as to how much of that will get packed as fat.

If you ate 10,000 calories of pure whale blubber, your insulin would never be triggered, and you would store none of it. If you ate 10,000 in pasta, pizza and ice cream, your insulin would be working overtime diligently storing some of the excess. If you ate 10,000 in pure protein (for a long time), you'd eventually starve (google rabbit starvation diet).

So if you're gonna binge--leave out the carbs. Of course most binge-worthy foods are a carb/fat mix--Ideal for long-term storage!

did you seriously just say that if you eat 10,000 calories of fat it would not be stored or cause any weight gain?

Yep. You have to have circulating insulin to store fat. You need carbs to trigger insulin. So without insulin your body would use what it needs and pass out the rest.

I actually proved this (to a lesser degree) in my weight loss journey. I was a huge carb eater and insulin resistant--so constantly had tons of insulin busily packing fat. I lost my first 50 lbs (in 8 months) by simply removing carbs almost completely from my diet--but the kicker was I was eating MORE calories from fat and protein to make up the loss of volume. Till I hit a wall--no more came off, but regardless of how much I ate (carb-free) I didn't gain at all. Then I started actually cutting calories. 1200/day for 8 months (and low-carb but not no carb) and lost the last 80lbs. Fat and protein alone do not make you gain.

This is over-simplified because the body is very complex and food is rarely just one thing, but in general it is true. I find CICO to be even more of an over simplification and not as accurate if you don't take into account the source of the calories.

how do you explain people that use keto to maintain or bulk??