Raw diet heavy in greens is key to gorilla slimness and heal
Kristhin
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The New York Times recently published an article asserting that a high protein intake -- similar, they say, to the Atkins diet -- is the reason gorillas in the wild are thin and in good health.
What?!
Yep, you read that right: the New York Times is using gorilla nutrition to try to promote the Atkins diet.
The Atkins diet is of course high in eggs, meat, dairy, bacon and other cholesterol-laden foods, while low on carbs. It's your basic garbage nonsense diet designed to lose weight fast and put you into an early grave -- Atkins himself died at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, at 6 feet tall.
So what kind of Atkins Diet are gorillas eating?
Gorillas are folivores - an herbivore that specializes in eating leaves. They eat a diet that is predominantly leaves and vegetative matter, although they also eat smaller amounts of fruits, roots, and insects (i.e., about 3% of their diet is termites).
In other words, gorillas in the wild suffer from no obesity or health problems - because they eat a very lowfat, essentially raw food diet, emphasizing leafy greens.
This is not a surprise, nor is it an Atkins diet. It is high in protein because of the obvious high protein content of greens. Spinach is 49 percent protein, kale is 45 percent protein, broccoli is 45 percent protein, lettuce is 34 percent protein, Chinese cabbage is 34 percent protein, and so forth.
So is the New York Times telling Atkins to make his diet a raw food diet? Here's what the New York Times says:
During certain times of the year, when fruits are not available, protein-rich leaves dominate the gorilla’s diet, the report found. About 31 percent of the total energy intake is protein during these times. This is similar to the protein content in high-protein weight-loss regimens like the Atkins diet...
Modern societies “are diluting the concentration of protein in the modern diet,” Dr. Raubenheimer said. “But we eat to get the same amount of proteins we needed before, and in so doing, we’re overeating.”
The article is written by someone who is mesmerized by the meat industry propaganda about protein, taught to children starting in grade school.
According to the World Health Organization, human requirement for protein is about 2.5 percent of calories, so they set the minimum, just to be safe, at 5 percent.
The myth of the necessity or even usefulness of protein is exposed when you see what the protein needs of humans are during the period of most growth - infancy. Breast milk is only 6 percent protein. So the idea in the New York Times that apes or humans actually require 31 percent of their diet as protein, and that we are eating ourselves to death in order to get that much required protein - is utterly ridiculous.
The take home message of the report on gorillas, as it may apply to humans, is to eat a plant-based diet and include plenty of green leafy foods. That will lead you to slimness and health, not Atkins.
Protein is the mantra of the brainwashed: Where do you get your protein? the indoctrinated ask.
The medical term for protein deficiency is -- oh wait, there is no medical term for it. Because it's never diagnosed.
How would you even test for a protein deficiency? The only way to tell if you are protein deficient -- is if you are staving. Starvation means you are simply not eating enough calories, and thus you aren't getting enough protein (or carbs or fat...or anything).
The moral? The protein pushers are insidious, and can't even acknowledge that a very close relative of humans is thriving magnificently on a healthy plant-strong diet which is 97% vegan.
What?!
Yep, you read that right: the New York Times is using gorilla nutrition to try to promote the Atkins diet.
The Atkins diet is of course high in eggs, meat, dairy, bacon and other cholesterol-laden foods, while low on carbs. It's your basic garbage nonsense diet designed to lose weight fast and put you into an early grave -- Atkins himself died at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, at 6 feet tall.
So what kind of Atkins Diet are gorillas eating?
Gorillas are folivores - an herbivore that specializes in eating leaves. They eat a diet that is predominantly leaves and vegetative matter, although they also eat smaller amounts of fruits, roots, and insects (i.e., about 3% of their diet is termites).
In other words, gorillas in the wild suffer from no obesity or health problems - because they eat a very lowfat, essentially raw food diet, emphasizing leafy greens.
This is not a surprise, nor is it an Atkins diet. It is high in protein because of the obvious high protein content of greens. Spinach is 49 percent protein, kale is 45 percent protein, broccoli is 45 percent protein, lettuce is 34 percent protein, Chinese cabbage is 34 percent protein, and so forth.
So is the New York Times telling Atkins to make his diet a raw food diet? Here's what the New York Times says:
During certain times of the year, when fruits are not available, protein-rich leaves dominate the gorilla’s diet, the report found. About 31 percent of the total energy intake is protein during these times. This is similar to the protein content in high-protein weight-loss regimens like the Atkins diet...
Modern societies “are diluting the concentration of protein in the modern diet,” Dr. Raubenheimer said. “But we eat to get the same amount of proteins we needed before, and in so doing, we’re overeating.”
The article is written by someone who is mesmerized by the meat industry propaganda about protein, taught to children starting in grade school.
According to the World Health Organization, human requirement for protein is about 2.5 percent of calories, so they set the minimum, just to be safe, at 5 percent.
The myth of the necessity or even usefulness of protein is exposed when you see what the protein needs of humans are during the period of most growth - infancy. Breast milk is only 6 percent protein. So the idea in the New York Times that apes or humans actually require 31 percent of their diet as protein, and that we are eating ourselves to death in order to get that much required protein - is utterly ridiculous.
The take home message of the report on gorillas, as it may apply to humans, is to eat a plant-based diet and include plenty of green leafy foods. That will lead you to slimness and health, not Atkins.
Protein is the mantra of the brainwashed: Where do you get your protein? the indoctrinated ask.
The medical term for protein deficiency is -- oh wait, there is no medical term for it. Because it's never diagnosed.
How would you even test for a protein deficiency? The only way to tell if you are protein deficient -- is if you are staving. Starvation means you are simply not eating enough calories, and thus you aren't getting enough protein (or carbs or fat...or anything).
The moral? The protein pushers are insidious, and can't even acknowledge that a very close relative of humans is thriving magnificently on a healthy plant-strong diet which is 97% vegan.
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That's crazy. So we should eat termites? lol jk.
Even if people can't commit to being fully vegan, I hope they see the credibility in living a MAINLY plant-based diet. Baby steps toward health
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Thank you for posting this! I've been feeling that way for a long time and people look at me like I'm crazy lol!0
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I am going to guess that gorilla's are healthy becuase they have not yet figured out the drive-through....
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there are some people that have some sort of success that sticks on atkins. personally, my grandmother tried atkins when it started being a fad thing, and she ended up almost dead in the hospital.
what pisses me off most is when people try to use other animals as models for humans. our closest ape cousins are still very different than humans, whether it be by diet or how our bodies function....0 -
I am doing an alkalizing diet, which is 90% green vegetables. I do eat as raw as possible, i can't stomach green beans or broccoli or cauliflower raw.. Guess where i just came from... ATKINS...
I do believe atkins is a good program, I have nothing against it, it has agood foundation in science. High cholestrol ISNT BAD, supposedly people with high cholesterol live longer, a ton of hormones run on cholestrol. The issue is the arteries they get scared, which causes cholestrol to stick to them. If there is no scaring there is no sticking. What causes this scaring??? CARBS.
I can tell you that my diet(alkalizing diet) is NOT ATKINS... and you're right about the protein, I am starting to think protein is highly over rated. Some of those most biggest animals in the world eat plants.0 -
This is nice,i needed something to read as I was eating my big ole juicey hamburger yummmmmmmmm0
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The Atkins diet is of course high in eggs, meat, dairy, bacon and other cholesterol-laden foods, while low on carbs. It's your basic garbage nonsense diet designed to lose weight fast and put you into an early grave -- Atkins himself died at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, at 6 feet tall.
Based on this, you know nothing about the Atkins diet or Dr. Atkins himself. I do not follow the Atkins diet, but if you read his book (which I did), you would find that he actually promotes eating foods in its natural form, and that the body is designed to process nuts, fruits, veggies, and meat, not all of the processed junk that's currently all over the television and on grocery store shelves. He doesn't say, "eat bacon, for it is good for you." What he says is, "eat butter instead of margarine because butter is natural. Eat a serving of leafy greens with your steak because it is good for you."
Also, 258 pounds is not terribly overweight for someone who is 6 foot tall. You make it sound like he weighed 350 pounds for something. And he didn't die of a heart attack or get put in an early grave - he was 72. And again, he didn't die from the foods he was eating. He fell and hit his head.
Again, I am not on the Atkins diet. I love potatoes too much to give them up ever. lol0 -
A cow killed my mama,and ive vowed to seek revenge on the whole species one juicy burger,and leather coat at a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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The Atkins diet is of course high in eggs, meat, dairy, bacon and other cholesterol-laden foods, while low on carbs. It's your basic garbage nonsense diet designed to lose weight fast and put you into an early grave -- Atkins himself died at the age of 72, weighing 258 pounds, at 6 feet tall.
Based on this, you know nothing about the Atkins diet or Dr. Atkins himself. I do not follow the Atkins diet, but if you read his book (which I did), you would find that he actually promotes eating foods in its natural form, and that the body is designed to process nuts, fruits, veggies, and meat, not all of the processed junk that's currently all over the news. He doesn't say, "eat bacon, for it is good for you." What he says is, "eat butter instead of margarine because butter is natural. Eat a serving of leafy greens with your steak because it is good for you."
Also, 258 pounds is not terribly overweight for someone who is 6 foot tall. You make it sound like he weighed 350 pounds for something. And he didn't die of a heart attack or get put in an early grave - he was 72. And again, he didn't die from the foods he was eating. He fell and hit his head.
Again, I am not on the Atkins diet. I love potatoes too much to give them up ever. lol
I agree pretty much. I did the math and for me to be at 8% bodyfat i have to weigh 235lbs. I am 6'2" plus HES OLD!!!0 -
Some people can experience protein deficiency. I personally know a friend who wasn't eating enough protein rich foods and was showing different symptoms. She ended up having a blood test done which stated that she was deficient in protein.
Here are some of the most common symptoms:
-Edema - A collection of fluid under the skin, which most commonly affects the legs, feet, and ankles, but can occur anywhere on the body.
-Weight loss
-Thinning or brittle hair, hair loss
-Ridges or deep lines in finger and toe nails
-Skin becomes very light, burns easily in the sun
-Reduced pigmentation in the hair on scalp and body
-Skin rashes, dryness, flakiness
-General weakness and lethargy
-Muscle soreness and weakness, cramps
-Slowness in healing wounds, cuts, scrapes, and bruises
-Bedsores and other skin ulcers
-Difficulty sleeping
-Headache
-Nausea and stomach pain
-Fainting
-Crankiness, moodiness
-Severe depression
-Anxiety
-Lack of energy, no desire to do things
If you are deficient in protein and don't want to go the meat eating route, here are some foods that are high in protein.
Legumes and beans
Soy, mycoprotein and tofu products
Nuts and seeds
Sprouted seeds
Whole grains
Algae and seaweed
Most plant foods contain protein
Sourced from: http://vegetarian.lovetoknow.com/Protein_Deficiency_Symptoms0 -
Interesting article! Yeah, I don't think that Atkins is anything like what gorillas eat...0
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That's crazy. So we should eat termites? lol jk.
If you could get termites, I bet (1) it would be hella healthy and (2) you would lose serious weight.0 -
Perhaps the moron who wrote the article just saw the movie Greystoke, The Legend of Tarzan....
"Damn, that boy is pretty jack3d! Well no wonder... he was raised by meat-eating Gorillas", hehe
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This Gorilla appreciates the NY Times effort.0
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This Gorilla appreciates the NY Times effort.
You must not have read the article then. :laugh:
The article basically states that gorillas get 15-30%% of their energy from protein...and it ALL comes from protein rich leaves. To compare this type of diet to atkins is ridiculous.0 -
A cow killed my mama,and ive vowed to seek revenge on the whole species one juicy burger,and leather coat at a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They deleted all our comments and now yours stand alone. Pass the burger.0 -
portexploit, since you are on a raw diet, do you do a lot of juicing? or do you mostly just make fancy raw recipes? i've been to raw veg restaurants before that are delicious but it seems time consuming to try to make the same types of things myself.
just wanted to see your thoughts or what you do. 0 -
I think I'll settle for a nice big juicy steak from a cow rather than eating termites and leaves from trees. :bigsmile:0
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portexploit, since you are on a raw diet, do you do a lot of juicing? or do you mostly just make fancy raw recipes? i've been to raw veg restaurants before that are delicious but it seems time consuming to try to make the same types of things myself.
just wanted to see your thoughts or what you do.
I sometimes eat cooked food, because i get tired of certain foods. I don't do juicing with a juicer, I do have a juicer. I do have a vitamix blender. Being a raw foodist i know you know what that is.I use that because the fiber is in the juice and it's easier to digest then chewing your food. I have the book "The pH Miracle" I follow recipes out of that book. I make a gallon of alkalizing water, 2 cucumbers 2 lemons, some cilantro, 2 cloves of garlic some water, i put that in my vitamix...once it's emulsified I put it in to a gallon container, and then i fill the rest of the gallon with water... So I have a gallon of alkalizing juice I drink through the day.0 -
This is nice,i needed something to read as I was eating my big ole juicey hamburger yummmmmmmmmI think I'll settle for a nice big juicy steak from a cow rather than eating termites and leaves from trees
Don't get colon cancer, since red meat has been lnked to colon cancer.0 -
portexploit, I hear the Vitamix is wonderful! I really want to get one but haven't yet bc of the price! Thx for the info. 0
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The medical term for protein deficiency is -- oh wait, there is no medical term for it. Because it's never diagnosed.
How would you even test for a protein deficiency? The only way to tell if you are protein deficient -- is if you are staving. Starvation means you are simply not eating enough calories, and thus you aren't getting enough protein (or carbs or fat...or anything).
The moral? The protein pushers are insidious, and can't even acknowledge that a very close relative of humans is thriving magnificently on a healthy plant-strong diet which is 97% vegan.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/total-serum-protein0 -
The medical term for protein deficiency is -- oh wait, there is no medical term for it. Because it's never diagnosed.
How would you even test for a protein deficiency? The only way to tell if you are protein deficient -- is if you are staving. Starvation means you are simply not eating enough calories, and thus you aren't getting enough protein (or carbs or fat...or anything).
The moral? The protein pushers are insidious, and can't even acknowledge that a very close relative of humans is thriving magnificently on a healthy plant-strong diet which is 97% vegan.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/total-serum-protein
Ka-POW! :laugh:0 -
Gorillas are folivores - an herbivore that specializes in eating leaves. They eat a diet that is predominantly leaves and vegetative matter, although they also eat smaller amounts of fruits, roots, and insects (i.e., about 3% of their diet is termites).
In other words, gorillas in the wild suffer from no obesity or health problems - because they eat a very lowfat, essentially raw food diet, emphasizing leafy greens.
This is not a surprise, nor is it an Atkins diet. It is high in protein because of the obvious high protein content of greens. Spinach is 49 percent protein, kale is 45 percent protein, broccoli is 45 percent protein, lettuce is 34 percent protein, Chinese cabbage is 34 percent protein, and so forth.
So is the New York Times telling Atkins to make his diet a raw food diet? Here's what the New York Times says:
During certain times of the year, when fruits are not available, protein-rich leaves dominate the gorilla’s diet, the report found. About 31 percent of the total energy intake is protein during these times. This is similar to the protein content in high-protein weight-loss regimens like the Atkins diet...
Modern societies “are diluting the concentration of protein in the modern diet,” Dr. Raubenheimer said. “But we eat to get the same amount of proteins we needed before, and in so doing, we’re overeating.”
The article is written by someone who is mesmerized by the meat industry propaganda about protein, taught to children starting in grade school.
According to the World Health Organization, human requirement for protein is about 2.5 percent of calories, so they set the minimum, just to be safe, at 5 percent.
The myth of the necessity or even usefulness of protein is exposed when you see what the protein needs of humans are during the period of most growth - infancy. Breast milk is only 6 percent protein. So the idea in the New York Times that apes or humans actually require 31 percent of their diet as protein, and that we are eating ourselves to death in order to get that much required protein - is utterly ridiculous.
The take home message of the report on gorillas, as it may apply to humans, is to eat a plant-based diet and include plenty of green leafy foods. That will lead you to slimness and health, not Atkins.
Protein is the mantra of the brainwashed: Where do you get your protein? the indoctrinated ask.
The medical term for protein deficiency is -- oh wait, there is no medical term for it. Because it's never diagnosed.
How would you even test for a protein deficiency? The only way to tell if you are protein deficient -- is if you are staving. Starvation means you are simply not eating enough calories, and thus you aren't getting enough protein (or carbs or fat...or anything).
The moral? The protein pushers are insidious, and can't even acknowledge that a very close relative of humans is thriving magnificently on a healthy plant-strong diet which is 97% vegan.
Doesn't the fact that gorillas eat 3% termites make them an omnivore by definition?
You do realize that Around died of head trauma, not the cursed meat eating...
I for one am glad that inherited the gorillas meat eating gene!0 -
This is nice,i needed something to read as I was eating my big ole juicey hamburger yummmmmmmmmI think I'll settle for a nice big juicy steak from a cow rather than eating termites and leaves from trees
Don't get colon cancer, since red meat has been lnked to colon cancer.
Please don't make these kind of generalizations. My aunt has colon cancer, and she eats very little red meat. Colon cancer is linked to age, family descent, family medical history, a tendency to get polyps, IBS, and certain genetic mutations. Yes, a diet HIGH in red meat can lead to colon cancer, but there are other factors.
I understand that people aren't very supportive of a vegan diet here. But if you continuously respond in a negative manner, the thread will only devolve into banal insults and end up locked/deleted.
On-topic: I think there are some things we can learn from diets in gorillas. However, despite how close they are to us, there is a key difference in their digestive system (their colon, specifically) that allows their bodies to break down cellulose in a more efficient manner than our systems.0 -
I don't believe I ever said anything about meat being cursed ... and a 97% plant based diet would make an animal an herbivore seeing as how pretty much every animal eats some amount of bugs.0
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Kristhin... thanks for posting... I wish they had chosen their words more carefully, and did more research.0
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Yes, I am well aware, and have been for years, that "Around" diet of head trauma.0
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I don't believe I ever said anything about meat being cursed ... and a 97% plant based diet would make an animal an herbivore seeing as how pretty much every animal eats some amount of bugs.
But your implication was that Around died because he ate meat and or his diet plan.
And I still disagree on the definition of omnivore.0 -
First, you didn't provide a link to said article so I can't even comment on it directly..
Secondly, just because the Times publishes some arm-chair science doesn't mean anyone wants to hear your armchair science. Saying a different species entirely is "slim" because of their diet is pants-on-head retarded no matter which side is saying it because we're not the same species. Are we primates like them? Yes, but there are leaps and bounds between our genetic makeup.
You're not some oppressed minority because you have different dietary habits. Stop acting like it.0
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