Weight loss has stopped, and I have gained weight eating at deficit
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delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Already doing 16/8 IF.
That is what I figured. You were in about a 1500 calorie deficit. Your TDEE should be just south of 3000 so you were eating 1500ish calories a day. Once you get this situation behind you, you really should consider 1750 and slowing down by .5 pound per week. You are quickly approaching the area when you need to start losing like other people.
These water pills you are trying... are they OTC or prescription?
Things say my TDEE is around 2700. I can try increasing my calories, but have no clue what to change in my diet to do that.
32 M, 330lbs, 72 inches high, Sedentary = I have at 2982.
250 is an easy increase. A little extra oil or cheese in a salad will get you most of the way there.
What about those water pills? Is that something you bought over the counter or did the doctor prescribe something for you?
ETA: On your TDEE do you think you are below sedentary?
250? Oh no. I'm not at a 1200 calorie deficit. I'm eating 1200 calories, it's a 1500 calorie deficit.
The water pills are over the counter.
The confusion is that I don't know how you are getting to 2700 on your TDEE so I assumed you were eating a little more than you thought.
I don't know what you mean by that.1 -
Oh and men are not supposed to eat below 1500 calories. That is the line for minimum nutrition. It occurs to me that if you are eating the same thing each day you could be deficient in potassium which could be contributing to your current problem. I don't know that for sure but if all your nutrition comes from the same sources each day it is a possibility.13
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delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Already doing 16/8 IF.
That is what I figured. You were in about a 1500 calorie deficit. Your TDEE should be just south of 3000 so you were eating 1500ish calories a day. Once you get this situation behind you, you really should consider 1750 and slowing down by .5 pound per week. You are quickly approaching the area when you need to start losing like other people.
These water pills you are trying... are they OTC or prescription?
Things say my TDEE is around 2700. I can try increasing my calories, but have no clue what to change in my diet to do that.
32 M, 330lbs, 72 inches high, Sedentary = I have at 2982.
250 is an easy increase. A little extra oil or cheese in a salad will get you most of the way there.
What about those water pills? Is that something you bought over the counter or did the doctor prescribe something for you?
ETA: On your TDEE do you think you are below sedentary?
250? Oh no. I'm not at a 1200 calorie deficit. I'm eating 1200 calories, it's a 1500 calorie deficit.
The water pills are over the counter.
The confusion is that I don't know how you are getting to 2700 on your TDEE so I assumed you were eating a little more than you thought.
I don't know what you mean by that.
When I run your stats I get almost 3000. You say it is 2700. I am not sure how you are getting that.
https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/2 -
delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
"Dr" Jason Fung is a junk scientist.40 -
Oh and men are not supposed to eat below 1500 calories. That is the line for minimum nutrition. It occurs to me that if you are eating the same thing each day you could be deficient in potassium which could be contributing to your current problem. I don't know that for sure but if all your nutrition comes from the same sources each day it is a possibility.delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Already doing 16/8 IF.
That is what I figured. You were in about a 1500 calorie deficit. Your TDEE should be just south of 3000 so you were eating 1500ish calories a day. Once you get this situation behind you, you really should consider 1750 and slowing down by .5 pound per week. You are quickly approaching the area when you need to start losing like other people.
These water pills you are trying... are they OTC or prescription?
Things say my TDEE is around 2700. I can try increasing my calories, but have no clue what to change in my diet to do that.
32 M, 330lbs, 72 inches high, Sedentary = I have at 2982.
250 is an easy increase. A little extra oil or cheese in a salad will get you most of the way there.
What about those water pills? Is that something you bought over the counter or did the doctor prescribe something for you?
ETA: On your TDEE do you think you are below sedentary?
250? Oh no. I'm not at a 1200 calorie deficit. I'm eating 1200 calories, it's a 1500 calorie deficit.
The water pills are over the counter.
The confusion is that I don't know how you are getting to 2700 on your TDEE so I assumed you were eating a little more than you thought.
I don't know what you mean by that.
When I run your stats I get almost 3000. You say it is 2700. I am not sure how you are getting that.
https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
I can try increasing my calories back up to 1500. But why would I lose weight at 1200 then suddenly stop?
I'm using a different calculator than you do. But if that is correct, then it says my light exercise takes me up to 3400 TDEE. That seems like a rather large jump.1 -
Did they test your kidney function?0
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You say you eat the same every day. Is it the same packaged food from a supermarket? Is it from a restaurant? Something you prepare yourself?
If a) there might be up to 20% difference in calories
If b) there's no way of knowing how many calories. It will likely be a lot higher than you think.
If c) portion creep is a real thing, otherwise we'd not gain weight. Please use your diary for a few days and weigh everything you eat to be sure.9 -
You lost 500 pounds?!
You are incredible!!! That is the most amazing thing I have read on here.
I can't give you any advice. Just wanted to acknowledge your loss.16 -
bernadettenz wrote: »You lost 500 pounds?!
You are incredible!!! That is the most amazing thing I have read on here.
I can't give you any advice. Just wanted to acknowledge your loss.
Ditto! I know you feel frustrated at the moment but you’ve also got to be bursting with pride at your accomplishments so far.
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Oh and men are not supposed to eat below 1500 calories. That is the line for minimum nutrition. It occurs to me that if you are eating the same thing each day you could be deficient in potassium which could be contributing to your current problem. I don't know that for sure but if all your nutrition comes from the same sources each day it is a possibility.delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Already doing 16/8 IF.
That is what I figured. You were in about a 1500 calorie deficit. Your TDEE should be just south of 3000 so you were eating 1500ish calories a day. Once you get this situation behind you, you really should consider 1750 and slowing down by .5 pound per week. You are quickly approaching the area when you need to start losing like other people.
These water pills you are trying... are they OTC or prescription?
Things say my TDEE is around 2700. I can try increasing my calories, but have no clue what to change in my diet to do that.
32 M, 330lbs, 72 inches high, Sedentary = I have at 2982.
250 is an easy increase. A little extra oil or cheese in a salad will get you most of the way there.
What about those water pills? Is that something you bought over the counter or did the doctor prescribe something for you?
ETA: On your TDEE do you think you are below sedentary?
250? Oh no. I'm not at a 1200 calorie deficit. I'm eating 1200 calories, it's a 1500 calorie deficit.
The water pills are over the counter.
The confusion is that I don't know how you are getting to 2700 on your TDEE so I assumed you were eating a little more than you thought.
I don't know what you mean by that.
When I run your stats I get almost 3000. You say it is 2700. I am not sure how you are getting that.
https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
I can try increasing my calories back up to 1500. But why would I lose weight at 1200 then suddenly stop?
I'm using a different calculator than you do. But if that is correct, then it says my light exercise takes me up to 3400 TDEE. That seems like a rather large jump.
I am not suggesting you increase calories to lose weight. I am suggesting that you increase them to lose at a healthy rate.
If you are still eating 1200 calories and even if you are eating slightly more than you realize you ARE losing fat weight. Your extreme water retention is masking your progress. If you go back and re-read one of my earlier posts to you, you should see that a similar situation happened to me. I needed medical assistance to keep my water levels normalized and once they returned to their normal range I had continued to lose fat weight because I was in a deficit most of the time while it happened. In other words, when it was over I got on the scale and it was a new lower number that I had not previously seen. The whole experience took about 7 weeks.
If you have been unable to shed any of this water gain naturally in 2 months it is time to speak to your doctor again and see what he/she thinks about putting you on a real water pill/diuretic. It is harder to do the things we need to do for weight loss when we are bloated to that degree. For me it was very uncomfortable and it put additional weight back on my knee that bothers me.
The only way to really calculate your average TDEE is by monitoring your food intake and weight loss. It requires that you use a food scale and verify the weights of everything you eat. We know your calorie deficit is ~1500 per day. You think your food calories are 1200 but I question that because you don't log daily. You mentioned your 4 ounce pork chop but I find it amazing you can eat pork chops each day that are exactly 4 ounces unless you are trimming them to make that work.
You have found a system of eating that works for you and it has worked for 500 pounds which is impressive. There may come a time that it stops working though as you lose weight and your TDEE continues to decline which shrinks your margins and deficit. If that happens it will be time to change so your weight loss continues. I don't think that is happening today unless you made a huge departure from what you were doing early in the year like suddenly drinking a lot of calories.18 -
You say you eat the same every day. Is it the same packaged food from a supermarket? Is it from a restaurant? Something you prepare yourself?
If a) there might be up to 20% difference in calories
If b) there's no way of knowing how many calories. It will likely be a lot higher than you think.
If c) portion creep is a real thing, otherwise we'd not gain weight. Please use your diary for a few days and weigh everything you eat to be sure.
I prepare all my food and I do weigh it.Oh and men are not supposed to eat below 1500 calories. That is the line for minimum nutrition. It occurs to me that if you are eating the same thing each day you could be deficient in potassium which could be contributing to your current problem. I don't know that for sure but if all your nutrition comes from the same sources each day it is a possibility.delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Already doing 16/8 IF.
That is what I figured. You were in about a 1500 calorie deficit. Your TDEE should be just south of 3000 so you were eating 1500ish calories a day. Once you get this situation behind you, you really should consider 1750 and slowing down by .5 pound per week. You are quickly approaching the area when you need to start losing like other people.
These water pills you are trying... are they OTC or prescription?
Things say my TDEE is around 2700. I can try increasing my calories, but have no clue what to change in my diet to do that.
32 M, 330lbs, 72 inches high, Sedentary = I have at 2982.
250 is an easy increase. A little extra oil or cheese in a salad will get you most of the way there.
What about those water pills? Is that something you bought over the counter or did the doctor prescribe something for you?
ETA: On your TDEE do you think you are below sedentary?
250? Oh no. I'm not at a 1200 calorie deficit. I'm eating 1200 calories, it's a 1500 calorie deficit.
The water pills are over the counter.
The confusion is that I don't know how you are getting to 2700 on your TDEE so I assumed you were eating a little more than you thought.
I don't know what you mean by that.
When I run your stats I get almost 3000. You say it is 2700. I am not sure how you are getting that.
https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
I can try increasing my calories back up to 1500. But why would I lose weight at 1200 then suddenly stop?
I'm using a different calculator than you do. But if that is correct, then it says my light exercise takes me up to 3400 TDEE. That seems like a rather large jump.
I am not suggesting you increase calories to lose weight. I am suggesting that you increase them to lose at a healthy rate.
If you are still eating 1200 calories and even if you are eating slightly more than you realize you ARE losing fat weight. Your extreme water retention is masking your progress. If you go back and re-read one of my earlier posts to you, you should see that a similar situation happened to me. I needed medical assistance to keep my water levels normalized and once they returned to their normal range I had continued to lose fat weight because I was in a deficit most of the time while it happened. In other words, when it was over I got on the scale and it was a new lower number that I had not previously seen. The whole experience took about 7 weeks.
If you have been unable to shed any of this water gain naturally in 2 months it is time to speak to your doctor again and see what he/she thinks about putting you on a real water pill/diuretic. It is harder to do the things we need to do for weight loss when we are bloated to that degree. For me it was very uncomfortable and it put additional weight back on my knee that bothers me.
The only way to really calculate your average TDEE is by monitoring your food intake and weight loss. It requires that you use a food scale and verify the weights of everything you eat. We know your calorie deficit is ~1500 per day. You think your food calories are 1200 but I question that because you don't log daily. You mentioned your 4 ounce pork chop but I find it amazing you can eat pork chops each day that are exactly 4 ounces unless you are trimming them to make that work.
You have found a system of eating that works for you and it has worked for 500 pounds which is impressive. There may come a time that it stops working though as you lose weight and your TDEE continues to decline which shrinks your margins and deficit. If that happens it will be time to change so your weight loss continues. I don't think that is happening today unless you made a huge departure from what you were doing early in the year like suddenly drinking a lot of calories.
I woke up this morning and I've lost another inch, but gained 2 more lbs. All the doctor has said is exercise more and eat less salt.
I do use a food scale. But I also get my food from Grocery Outlet. The chops I get are all cut to the exact same size. There is a variance of 0.1-0.3 oz, but nothing major.
I'm working on increasing my calories to 1500 now.2 -
Your doctor just dismissed 20 pounds of water weight? Were there tests run to check kidney function? Were you checked for edema? Are you keeping an eye on your BP? Was a low dose diuretic even discussed?
I can't diagnose you. My doctor, who tested everything, theorized that my own ability to retain 17+ pounds of water was a result of my considerable fat loss and something he called "empty spaces". It was about 7 weeks before I finally got back to a new low. I knew I was in a calorie deficit so the only stress was the bloat I felt.
Good job at the 500 pounds by the way. That is very impressive.
That idea frightens me a lot, I think I would have a breakdown, how can water make up that much?2 -
Your doctor just dismissed 20 pounds of water weight? Were there tests run to check kidney function? Were you checked for edema? Are you keeping an eye on your BP? Was a low dose diuretic even discussed?
I can't diagnose you. My doctor, who tested everything, theorized that my own ability to retain 17+ pounds of water was a result of my considerable fat loss and something he called "empty spaces". It was about 7 weeks before I finally got back to a new low. I knew I was in a calorie deficit so the only stress was the bloat I felt.
Good job at the 500 pounds by the way. That is very impressive.
That idea frightens me a lot, I think I would have a breakdown, how can water make up that much?
People can gain FAR more water than that but it is usually a medical crisis. My water weight gain has exceeded 15 pounds on 2 different occasions in the last 7 months. All of my tests show me to be mostly fine other than the weight I still need to lose. If my tests had been inconclusive my very anal doctor would have shipped me to every specialist he could think of to get things checked. I wouldn't have been surprised if he sent me to a plumber.
I was concerned about it originally but only from a medical standpoint not a weight standpoint. When it happened the first time I had been logging and losing weight that corresponded with my logging for 10 months. It had to be water weight and it was.
The concern for you is that I am somewhat certain you are losing fat weight and your water weight is not going back down but still climbing higher.
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I ran your numbers through Kevin Halls bwp. It takes into account some metabolic slowing with weight loss. To maintain your current weight you would have tobeat 3900 calories with a activity modified by 1.6 which is a guy who walks 30mins a day and has a desk job.6
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Also wanted to say as someone who has lost a lot of weight, we are VERY sensitive to water weight swings.5
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delimanager640 wrote: »Your BMR has decreased. Try intermittent fasting. Look up Dr. Jason Fung. Read the Obesity Code. It changed my life.
Btw... yes, there is SOME rmr slow down, but the LARGEST drop in metabolic rate is skeletal muscle efficiency. If you are going to fear monger... atleast get your $#!÷ strait... if OP is resistance training, some of that is probably nullified according to some research I have read. while de. Fung imho might have SOME of the puzzle figured out imho, it is NOT because of insulin or keto. He is like one of the blind men trying to SEE and explain what an elephant looks like.6 -
Well..... I hear nothing in all this about resistance training or what have you. New or increased exercise could be causing some of the water retention. As can a multitude of other reasons and when the swings are so large it would definitely be something to get checked on.
I say you should go talk to your doctor again and make sure that anything bad is getting ruled out. And NOT do diuretics on your own but make sure that, if you take any and if they are appropriate for you, you do so under your doctor's supervision.
Also I think that I will introduce the concept of diet breaks. Since you started losing how often have you eaten at anything other than a substantial deficit?7 -
@pav888... hey bro!Y[b][/b]omiRizer wrote: »I started my diet 3 years ago. I have lost over 500 lbs so far. I hit 330 in march, and that's where it stopped. I am actually now at 350 and I have no clue why. I eat 1200-1400 calories a day, I do some weight lifting 3 times a week, I don't snack. The doctor says I am fine and it's just water weight and to cut back on salt. Well I have, and I've even started taking water pills. Nothing is coming off. But I haven't gained any inches, nor have I lost any. I'm a 6'0 male, 32 years old. This is stressing me out beyond belief. Does anyone have any clue what this could be?4 -
Congrats on your weight loss thus far; an amazing accomplishment. I have nothing to add other than having had some significant water gains that can take a couple of weeks to level out--always connected to travel and eating out while on vacation, in my case. I agree with others who have said you need to pursue a medical explanation and stop any OTC diuretics. As an aside, I once saw the medical records of a woman who gained 50 lbs in about 4 days (a surgery gone wrong; scary stuff but all was ok in the end). I don't know anything about the massive loss and its impact on your body, but certainly a significant gain that is likely to be water weight should be taken seriously. Perhaps seek a 2nd opinion just to be extra careful. Good luck with your continuing journey to better health.2
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psychod787 wrote: »
@pav888... hey bro!Y[b][/b]omiRizer wrote: »I started my diet 3 years ago. I have lost over 500 lbs so far. I hit 330 in march, and that's where it stopped. I am actually now at 350 and I have no clue why. I eat 1200-1400 calories a day, I do some weight lifting 3 times a week, I don't snack. The doctor says I am fine and it's just water weight and to cut back on salt. Well I have, and I've even started taking water pills. Nothing is coming off. But I haven't gained any inches, nor have I lost any. I'm a 6'0 male, 32 years old. This is stressing me out beyond belief. Does anyone have any clue what this could be?
OK... OK..... but I bet you he didn't do a Barbell hokey pokey!!! Point still stands: medical investigation of water weight change and possible diet break followed by resumption at less extreme deficit and with increased activity moving forward!7
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