Bad News - High Cholesterol
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Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.5 -
I have terrible high cholesterol, but my doctor isn't pushing statins on me yet, since every single one of my other risk factors is perfect. He thinks that's enough to offset the risk of the high cholesterol. I have great blood pressure and blood sugar, my "good" cholesterol is also high, triglycerides are on target, I exercise moderately to vigorously 7 days a week (including long distance running, mountain biking, etc.), I eat a high fiber diet with little to no red meat or eggs, I don't drink or smoke, and my BMI is 21. It's all in the genes...I guess I got lucky.
I've always been active and never been overweight, and yet my cholesterol is horrendous and has been since the first time it was checked in my 20's. The thing that seems to make the most difference is my weight. My cholesterol is bad enough at BMI 21 (200-220). In the past, whenever my BMI goes over 23, it shoots even higher (up to 280-ish.) I guess my body wants me on the leaner side? So I keep my weight on the lower side of the healthy BMI and so far I haven't needed statins. I've seen the side effects of that crap in family members, and I feel like statins are literally a last resort. I'll do whatever I need to do diet and fitness wise to avoid them!7 -
Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.
I need a new doctor. Cause she never really followed up with me about it afterwards.3 -
shaynehartwell70 wrote: »Try taking Garlique. It can be found on Amazon or Ebay. Very reasonable price and works well with proper diet and exercise. Gentics plays a huge roll as well.
Thank you I will look into Garlique.2 -
shaynehartwell70 wrote: »Try taking Garlique. It can be found on Amazon or Ebay. Very reasonable price and works well with proper diet and exercise. Gentics plays a huge roll as well.
Thank you I will look into Garlique.
If you supplement with Garlic, I would recommend that you review the below to get an adequate dosage.
https://examine.com/supplements/garlic/examine.com wrote:Most studies on garlic use a dosage range of 600-1,200mg a day, usually divided into multiple doses. The minimum effective dose for raw garlic is a single segment of a garlic bulb (called a clove), eaten with meals two or three times a day.0 -
shaynehartwell70 wrote: »Try taking Garlique. It can be found on Amazon or Ebay. Very reasonable price and works well with proper diet and exercise. Gentics plays a huge roll as well.
Thank you I will look into Garlique.
If you supplement with Garlic, I would recommend that you review the below to get an adequate dosage.
https://examine.com/supplements/garlic/examine.com wrote:Most studies on garlic use a dosage range of 600-1,200mg a day, usually divided into multiple doses. The minimum effective dose for raw garlic is a single segment of a garlic bulb (called a clove), eaten with meals two or three times a day.
I eat more than enough pure garlic already but I can give this a try. I'm looking up reviews and side effects now.1 -
I had high cholesterol for over 10 years - in the 220s. I made several dietary changes - switching to a low fat, high carb diet. I didn't go plant based because I can't. I have intolerances to gluten, dairy, soy, legumes, oats, and eggs plus regular allergies to psyllium and hemp.
I also have an autoimmune disease which causes protein wasting so I need to eat high protein. I cannot get enough protein eating plant based so most of my protein comes from chicken and fish. I eat a lot of whole grains like brown rice, quinoa, and buckwheat. I also eat a lot of potatoes and starches.
At my last checkup, my total cholesterol was 132, my fasting blood sugar had dropped from prediabetic to normal, and my blood pressure was 90/60.2 -
vegandingo wrote: »For most people, the cholesterol that you eat has very little effect on the serum cholesterol values. Eggs in particular have been shown to NOT effect serum cholesterol.
I can't let this one pass. The studies that have reported this result are not exactly on the level.
If a person already has a relatively high cholesterol serum level then the cholesterol raising effect of eating eggs is minimal and the raising of the serum cholesterol caused diminishes after 11 or so hours, which is when the rigged research happens to measure the effect. Tricky, indeed.
"Eating Cholesterol Doesn't Raise Cholesterol" Debunked
https://youtu.be/vBtfzd43t8o
Cholesterol is not just bad for the heart.
Dietary Cholesterol and Cancer
https://youtu.be/6V8BW00zZTA
Show me something that doesn't come from a vegan propaganda site and I might actually give credence to the claims...17 -
Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.
I need a new doctor. Cause she never really followed up with me about it afterwards.
I agree! I don’t know what your health care situation is like, but are you able to just pick another doctor? If so, make an appointment soon and make sure the old doctor sends them all your records.2 -
vegandingo wrote: »For most people, the cholesterol that you eat has very little effect on the serum cholesterol values. Eggs in particular have been shown to NOT effect serum cholesterol.
I can't let this one pass. The studies that have reported this result are not exactly on the level.
If a person already has a relatively high cholesterol serum level then the cholesterol raising effect of eating eggs is minimal and the raising of the serum cholesterol caused diminishes after 11 or so hours, which is when the rigged research happens to measure the effect. Tricky, indeed.
"Eating Cholesterol Doesn't Raise Cholesterol" Debunkedhttps://youtu.be/vBtfzd43t8o
Cholesterol is not just bad for the heart.
Dietary Cholesterol and Cancerhttps://youtu.be/6V8BW00zZTA
Show me something that doesn't come from a vegan propaganda site and I might actually give credence to the claims...
Nutritionfacts.org is evidence based. Not propaganda. I find it funny how people on here are so down on those who choose not to eat meat for what ever reason and prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than expand their education of nutrition. This is why (at least the US) is in the condition it is in.20 -
vegandingo wrote: »For most people, the cholesterol that you eat has very little effect on the serum cholesterol values. Eggs in particular have been shown to NOT effect serum cholesterol.
I can't let this one pass. The studies that have reported this result are not exactly on the level.
If a person already has a relatively high cholesterol serum level then the cholesterol raising effect of eating eggs is minimal and the raising of the serum cholesterol caused diminishes after 11 or so hours, which is when the rigged research happens to measure the effect. Tricky, indeed.
"Eating Cholesterol Doesn't Raise Cholesterol" Debunkedhttps://youtu.be/vBtfzd43t8o
Cholesterol is not just bad for the heart.
Dietary Cholesterol and Cancerhttps://youtu.be/6V8BW00zZTA
Show me something that doesn't come from a vegan propaganda site and I might actually give credence to the claims...
Nutritionfacts.org is evidence based. Not propaganda. I find it funny how people on here are so down on those who choose not to eat meat for what ever reason and prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than expand their education of nutrition. This is why (at least the US) is in the condition it is in.
What you describe is exactly what you are doing regarding people who eat meat. There are magnitudes of evidence that is contrary to being plant based. Also, just like dietdoctor.com, if site is only promoting one true way, it will not be an unbiased resource of information.
Our bodies are adaptable and are designed to eat meat and plants. And our heath can be optimal eating a variety of ways.
For the OP, I would doubt there would be much impact on LDL regardless of her eating style. And you can see if all the of her other numbers saw huge improvements at a high weight vs how her numbers look now at a low weight. Sometimes genetics > all.10 -
Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.
I need a new doctor. Cause she never really followed up with me about it afterwards.
I agree! I don’t know what your health care situation is like, but are you able to just pick another doctor? If so, make an appointment soon and make sure the old doctor sends them all your records.
Yup your right! I gotta check under my health insurance0 -
vegandingo wrote: »For most people, the cholesterol that you eat has very little effect on the serum cholesterol values. Eggs in particular have been shown to NOT effect serum cholesterol.
I can't let this one pass. The studies that have reported this result are not exactly on the level.
If a person already has a relatively high cholesterol serum level then the cholesterol raising effect of eating eggs is minimal and the raising of the serum cholesterol caused diminishes after 11 or so hours, which is when the rigged research happens to measure the effect. Tricky, indeed.
"Eating Cholesterol Doesn't Raise Cholesterol" Debunkedhttps://youtu.be/vBtfzd43t8o
Cholesterol is not just bad for the heart.
Dietary Cholesterol and Cancerhttps://youtu.be/6V8BW00zZTA
Show me something that doesn't come from a vegan propaganda site and I might actually give credence to the claims...
Nutritionfacts.org is evidence based. Not propaganda. I find it funny how people on here are so down on those who choose not to eat meat for what ever reason and prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than expand their education of nutrition. This is why (at least the US) is in the condition it is in.
What you describe is exactly what you are doing regarding people who eat meat. There are magnitudes of evidence that is contrary to being plant based. Also, just like dietdoctor.com, if site is only promoting one true way, it will not be an unbiased resource of information.
Our bodies are adaptable and are designed to eat meat and plants. And our heath can be optimal eating a variety of ways.
For the OP, I would doubt there would be much impact on LDL regardless of her eating style. And you can see if all the of her other numbers saw huge improvements at a high weight vs how her numbers look now at a low weight. Sometimes genetics > all.
If this were true we would have pointed incisors/canines and short intestines.18 -
vegandingo wrote: »For most people, the cholesterol that you eat has very little effect on the serum cholesterol values. Eggs in particular have been shown to NOT effect serum cholesterol.
I can't let this one pass. The studies that have reported this result are not exactly on the level.
If a person already has a relatively high cholesterol serum level then the cholesterol raising effect of eating eggs is minimal and the raising of the serum cholesterol caused diminishes after 11 or so hours, which is when the rigged research happens to measure the effect. Tricky, indeed.
"Eating Cholesterol Doesn't Raise Cholesterol" Debunkedhttps://youtu.be/vBtfzd43t8o
Cholesterol is not just bad for the heart.
Dietary Cholesterol and Cancerhttps://youtu.be/6V8BW00zZTA
Show me something that doesn't come from a vegan propaganda site and I might actually give credence to the claims...
Nutritionfacts.org is evidence based. Not propaganda. I find it funny how people on here are so down on those who choose not to eat meat for what ever reason and prefer to bury their heads in the sand rather than expand their education of nutrition. This is why (at least the US) is in the condition it is in.
What you describe is exactly what you are doing regarding people who eat meat. There are magnitudes of evidence that is contrary to being plant based. Also, just like dietdoctor.com, if site is only promoting one true way, it will not be an unbiased resource of information.
Our bodies are adaptable and are designed to eat meat and plants. And our heath can be optimal eating a variety of ways.
For the OP, I would doubt there would be much impact on LDL regardless of her eating style. And you can see if all the of her other numbers saw huge improvements at a high weight vs how her numbers look now at a low weight. Sometimes genetics > all.
If this were true we would have pointed incisors/canines and short intestines.
He said meat and plants, not just meat. We are omnivores. We can survive and thrive on a variety of diets. That's probably why we are the top of the food chain...17 -
Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.
I need a new doctor. Cause she never really followed up with me about it afterwards.
I agree! I don’t know what your health care situation is like, but are you able to just pick another doctor? If so, make an appointment soon and make sure the old doctor sends them all your records.
Yup your right! I gotta check under my health insurance
Definitely, please take a look at your insurance and get a doctor who will answer all your questions. I think that will help your peace of mind a lot. Since you have a lot of food allergies, I'd also get a referral to a registered dietitian while you're at it, so you can talk with a professional about your nutritional needs.3 -
Did your doctor recommend any follow up testing? Did they talk about treatment options--exercise, diet, medication, anything? Your doctor needs to give you information about how to address any medical problems, not just give you test results with no context or discussion. If your doctor didn't give you any additional information, I would make a follow up appointment to discuss your lab work and what to do next.
I need a new doctor. Cause she never really followed up with me about it afterwards.
I agree! I don’t know what your health care situation is like, but are you able to just pick another doctor? If so, make an appointment soon and make sure the old doctor sends them all your records.
Yup your right! I gotta check under my health insurance
Definitely, please take a look at your insurance and get a doctor who will answer all your questions. I think that will help your peace of mind a lot. Since you have a lot of food allergies, I'd also get a referral to a registered dietitian while you're at it, so you can talk with a professional about your nutritional needs.
You are absolutely right and I'm doing that now as we speak since it's the 4th of july weekend coming up.0 -
These are questions for your doctor!
There are different types of cholesterol.
Not all are 'bad'. (Apparently, the stuff you get from eggs is now regarded as 'good'.)
You need help interpreting your blood results to see if the bad stuff is high enough to be a problem. Then you need advice on which foods might help and which might hinder.
You might actually need cholesterol lowering drugs if the cholesterol is the 'bad' stuff (even if your diet is perfect. )1 -
I guess the question is the food options: what should I be eating if I dont know what to eat without dying?
Has your doctor referred you to a registered dietician yet? I would start there along with another battery of tests for allergies and full disclosure of the results to the RD.
Death is pretty permanent
So much this.
Also--your roulette game with your allergens might actually be contributing to your cholesterol issues... See an RD. Figure out foods that are safe to eat that might help your cholesterol levels. Live happy.2 -
I guess the question is the food options: what should I be eating if I dont know what to eat without dying?
Has your doctor referred you to a registered dietician yet? I would start there along with another battery of tests for allergies and full disclosure of the results to the RD.
Death is pretty permanent
So much this.
Also--your roulette game with your allergens might actually be contributing to your cholesterol issues... See an RD. Figure out foods that are safe to eat that might help your cholesterol levels. Live happy.
You are correct but I did find out it was genetic- my high cholesterol levels1 -
I want to thank everyone on here for your very helpful input with my high cholesterol levels. I appreciate the feedback!4
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I take apple cider vinegar pills and flaxseed oil pills from costco my total cholesterol is down from 180 to 165. It works16
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I don’t agree with those that are pushing red meat and pork and saying dairy and eggs are OK. Lean chicken and turkey, any green vegetables you can eat, sweet potatoes, cauliflower rice, squashes. Processed carbs have a greater effect on raising cholesterol than previously thought. Don’t eat things you are allergic to as each time you expose yourself, your body can have a stronger reaction.14
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I don’t agree with those that are pushing red meat and pork and saying dairy and eggs are OK. Lean chicken and turkey, any green vegetables you can eat, sweet potatoes, cauliflower rice, squashes. Processed carbs have a greater effect on raising cholesterol than previously thought. Don’t eat things you are allergic to as each time you expose yourself, your body can have a stronger reaction.
What is wrong with red meat, pork, dairy or eggs? They are whole natural foods. All the red meat correlations are on processed red meats. And dairy has been shown to reduce the risk of most cancers, improve body composition and linked to satiety.4 -
I think you need therapy and a registered dietitian way more than you need suggestions from random Internet strangers.3
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I have high cholesterol thanks to medicine I’m on. (Yes it helped contribute to it but my diet wasn’t helping with the junk food I had been eating) I take a statin everyday and I still eat Cheerios occasionally (people may scoff or make fun but it has lowered my cholesterol considerably in the past). I also eat eggs almost every day so I wouldn’t give that up.1
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