Weight loss has stopped, and I have gained weight eating at deficit
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First of all, congrats so much on your success to this point. Even the stall is something to learn from and I'm thrilled you are seeking to move on from your plateau. I, too, found a plateau after 100lb loss. It's your body's way of readjusting to the new (same thing every day) amount of calories. In the beginning, your body looked at your calories as in "caloric deficit" but when it readjusted it doesn't perceive deficit now. Your caloric intake has been made the new "normal" so your body doesn't perceive a deficit.10
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I changed my "stall" recently but bumping up my calories to reset my metabolism to a higher rate.14
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I also stopped my 16/18/20 everyday IF for about a month. I "gained" bet 2-5 lbs with a 70-100% increase in calories for this past month and only gained back 2-5 lbs. Scarey as the thought seems, increase your calories for about a month, make sure you're getting your electrolytes and sufficient sleep, take it easy on exercise and only exercise HIIT on days you've rested very well, and see if you don't jump start out of your plateau. Sometimes just a little back peddling makes a world of difference and you will see progress again. BTW: I eat keto. I don't think this advice will work if your carbs are more than about 20-30 NET grams per day. All the best to you!12
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Seems really rude to kick a man when he is actively on his way down in size. I know my weight causes some of the issues I am having but I don't need someone rubbing my nose in it.
I would keep trying to find a doctor that will listen to you. Mine was confused initially by what was happening to me but he listened and trusted that I watch myself enough to know the difference between water and fat gain.
I'm now 360 lbs. I've gained 10 more lbs in a week.
I'm going to echo @NovusDies and @PAV8888 here OP. I don't know about PAV, but I do know Novus has lost an enormous amount of weight and has a solid idea of what he's talking about.
My own personal experience was caring for my dad who had similar issues to what you're describing. I hope you find another doctor soon. There's got to be at least one who's willing to work with you.
I should be moving within the next month, so maybe I'll get better help there. I just don't get it, if something was seriously wrong with me. Shouldn't I have other symptoms than just massive water gain?
I am not a doctor and I have not have a lot of experience with personal medical problems to know. It seems like some things can sneak up on you though. I don't think there is any reason to worry in advance since this can and does happen to people who lose a large amount of weight. You may just need a diuretic to help you regulate I did.
In any case you need a good doctor. Even just being in a calorie deficit most of 3 years is a good reason to be under medical supervision.3 -
promisesstandin wrote: »First of all, congrats so much on your success to this point. Even the stall is something to learn from and I'm thrilled you are seeking to move on from your plateau. I, too, found a plateau after 100lb loss. It's your body's way of readjusting to the new (same thing every day) amount of calories. In the beginning, your body looked at your calories as in "caloric deficit" but when it readjusted it doesn't perceive deficit now. Your caloric intake has been made the new "normal" so your body doesn't perceive a deficit.promisesstandin wrote: »I changed my "stall" recently but bumping up my calories to reset my metabolism to a higher rate.promisesstandin wrote: »I also stopped my 16/18/20 everyday IF for about a month. I "gained" bet 2-5 lbs with a 70-100% increase in calories for this past month and only gained back 2-5 lbs. Scarey as the thought seems, increase your calories for about a month, make sure you're getting your electrolytes and sufficient sleep, take it easy on exercise and only exercise HIIT on days you've rested very well, and see if you don't jump start out of your plateau. Sometimes just a little back peddling makes a world of difference and you will see progress again. BTW: I eat keto. I don't think this advice will work if your carbs are more than about 20-30 NET grams per day. All the best to you!
That one line is true for all of these myths. Your body's adjustment to a caloric deficit is pretty trivial when you have a lot of fat stores to work with. It also cannot decide that it only needs a fraction of the energy it requires to keep you alive and moving.
You cannot bust a plateau or jump start anything. The body is not some child that you can trick into working the way you want. Plateaus are caused by eating more than you think or water/waste fluctuations that mask loss for a period of time. They end when you either eat the right number of calories or your fluctuations go back down for awhile.
http://physiqonomics.com/the-weird-and-highly-annoying-world-of-scale-weight-and-fluctuations/
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Thanks for your feedback, Novus. I am having good success and will continue to guinea pig myself. Those were suggestions not gospel, but they're worth what others might want to try so it was with good intent. I will go back to intermittent fasting very shortly which helps burn up lots of fat stores by autophagy and continue to work at it patiently. There are others who have also benefitted from my approach but I don't claim to be a doctor. All the best to you.12
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promisesstandin wrote: »I will go back to intermittent fasting very shortly which helps burn up lots of fat stores by autophagy
You can rest easy knowing that your fat reserves are not in danger because of autophagy! A caloric deficit, or surplus, however, will work wonders at affecting the size of your fat reserves!12 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Congratulations on your terrific loss. You obviously have been doing something right for you. It’s working. Your body has been through a lot. Be kind to it. You said your Doctor said to restrict salt further and exercise more. Did you? Possibly more stress on your body. Stress often causes water retention. Just natural. Relax. Sleep well. Be proud of what you have already done. Doesn’t sound like you have done anything really crazy yet, just CICO. Don’t get crazy now. Keep doing what you know works. Slow and steady wins the race.
I wonder how much salt our friend is really getting. I was restricting my salt thinking I was doing myself a favor and lived at around 500-800mg a day. Some research has shown that more is better but I don't mean NaCl, typical table salt. Since doing some research on migraines, and getting through keto flu which threw me into another migraine, I found that adding pink salt to my water took away the migraine almost instantly and actually caused me to drop water weight when my sodium/water balance was more secure to let go of excess fluid. Although some see what I do as myth, it actually worked for me and more pink salt intake has not bothered my labs. My sodium is normal, as is my BP reduced from around 139/89 to 95/62. The excess water (edema) in my legs, knees, ankles, and feet is gone and I can walk, skip, and run! Feeling better than I have in 30 yrs! Most of the pain went with the inflammation. I would have NEVER advocated for more salt intake but it's not bothering me now on keto (I wouldn't suggest it to anyone not eating keto).
Take this all with a "grain of salt," and decide if it can help you. I'm running labs and other tests on a regular basis to see if things are going well and my lab cover sheets/results just keep getting better! All the best to everyone seeking more health and trying to help someone else along the way!
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PS: we know of a man that was on such salt-restriction that it caused a terrible outcome. Unfortunately, he was in a car wreck and at the scene of the accident the EMT's rushed in a drip-line. His system was used to so little salt that the infusion caused terrible damage and the outcome was ultimately fatal. I have some RN training and, unless your doctor has put you on salt restrictions and is monitoring you as you make adjustments toward better health, I wouldn't think minimizing salt (except table salt) is a good idea because we have a sodium/potassium pump that needs balance and the potassium intake window for your heart is very small.3
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Seems really rude to kick a man when he is actively on his way down in size. I know my weight causes some of the issues I am having but I don't need someone rubbing my nose in it.
I would keep trying to find a doctor that will listen to you. Mine was confused initially by what was happening to me but he listened and trusted that I watch myself enough to know the difference between water and fat gain.
I'm now 360 lbs. I've gained 10 more lbs in a week.
I'm going to echo @NovusDies and @PAV8888 here OP. I don't know about PAV, but I do know Novus has lost an enormous amount of weight and has a solid idea of what he's talking about.
My own personal experience was caring for my dad who had similar issues to what you're describing. I hope you find another doctor soon. There's got to be at least one who's willing to work with you.
I should be moving within the next month, so maybe I'll get better help there. I just don't get it, if something was seriously wrong with me. Shouldn't I have other symptoms than just massive water gain?
Not necessarily. After I had lost over 50 lbs sensibly and was in better shape than I had been at any point in my life, I gained 60 lbs of water weight over a few months. Over a period of a few years, many different specialists ran tests, all body functions were labelled as healthy and I was diagnosed with idiopathic edema. After ten years, the edema started going down on its own, although I'm still on one of my three prescribed diuretics.
Bottom line. It can happen through no fault of your own. ❤5 -
Seems really rude to kick a man when he is actively on his way down in size. I know my weight causes some of the issues I am having but I don't need someone rubbing my nose in it.
I would keep trying to find a doctor that will listen to you. Mine was confused initially by what was happening to me but he listened and trusted that I watch myself enough to know the difference between water and fat gain.
I'm now 360 lbs. I've gained 10 more lbs in a week.
I'm going to echo @NovusDies and @PAV8888 here OP. I don't know about PAV, but I do know Novus has lost an enormous amount of weight and has a solid idea of what he's talking about.
My own personal experience was caring for my dad who had similar issues to what you're describing. I hope you find another doctor soon. There's got to be at least one who's willing to work with you.
I should be moving within the next month, so maybe I'll get better help there. I just don't get it, if something was seriously wrong with me. Shouldn't I have other symptoms than just massive water gain?
The massive water gain was something my dad lived with for a long time off and on. I'm not a doctor, but I can say that he did have other issues that his water gain and weight issues masked. Not long before he passed he was admitted to another hospital under a team that specialized in failing kidneys, liver etc.
After cleaning up the mess of conflicting medicines his other docs had prescribed for him, they informed him that both kidneys and liver were just about gone.
I am not saying I think that's an issue with you, again, I'm not a doctor and wouldn't try to diagnose you over the web if I were. I'm simply highlighting the issue that there may well be more going on than a simple dietary change would fix.
I truly hope you're able to find a decent doctor soon. It really may be that you just need a strict dietary regimen, I do not know. I just like to see people err on the side of safety and caution.4 -
promisesstandin wrote: »Thanks for your feedback, Novus. I am having good success and will continue to guinea pig myself. Those were suggestions not gospel, but they're worth what others might want to try so it was with good intent. I will go back to intermittent fasting very shortly which helps burn up lots of fat stores by autophagy and continue to work at it patiently. There are others who have also benefitted from my approach but I don't claim to be a doctor. All the best to you.
Fat weight loss success is driven by a calorie deficit. I have burned up over 150 pounds of fat stores with a calorie deficit not autophagy or any of the other unproven internet weight loss folklore. I am not interested in being a guinea pig and there is absolutely no need for me to try. It is proven science that if you require 2000 calories to function and you only eat 1500 then 500 must come from somewhere and that is energy stores in the body. It may not always be easy but it is simple and effective.
There is an obesity crisis in the US and if there were any other possible way for a person to lose weight the information would not be stuck in clickbait articles. Every theory is studied and thus far not one has provided an advantage in healthy human beings.11
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