9 pounds of water weight in a day
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wilson10102018 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »First, don't listen to wilson or tlpina82. Good job on your workouts and keep it going!
Then, I agree that one time per week is enough for weighing and that exercise and heat are both reasons why you would be retaining a lot of water. Nine pounds is well within water fluctuations for a 6'3" 300+ pound man.
Just keep your food in line, keep exercising and don't stress the fluctuations right now. It's a long game.
http://physiqonomics.com/the-weird-and-highly-annoying-world-of-scale-weight-and-fluctuations/
Unlike others, I got my "science" from a nutritionist at the Cleveland Clinic. And, I have lost 39 lb in 300 days.
There isn't any reason to put off reasonable exercise until after one has lost weight. Being obese and active has better health outcomes than being obese and inactive.
And if weight loss is the measure of insight (it isn't
), I'll just point out that I lost 50 pounds in 193 days. 
I support your point about losing at a reasonable (moderate) rate, with good nutrition: Good advice. Exercise in addition is fine (ideal, really), if also phased in at a reasonable, moderate rate, and adequately fueled.11 -
Maybe it’s a lot for you, but I’m 340 pounds and I sweat about a gallon of water with every workout.0
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wilson10102018 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »First, don't listen to wilson or tlpina82. Good job on your workouts and keep it going!
Then, I agree that one time per week is enough for weighing and that exercise and heat are both reasons why you would be retaining a lot of water. Nine pounds is well within water fluctuations for a 6'3" 300+ pound man.
Just keep your food in line, keep exercising and don't stress the fluctuations right now. It's a long game.
http://physiqonomics.com/the-weird-and-highly-annoying-world-of-scale-weight-and-fluctuations/
Unlike others, I got my "science" from a nutritionist at the Cleveland Clinic. And, I have lost 39 lb in 300 days.
Nutritionists can be wrong. Yours is very wrong or you misunderstood.
Good job on the 39 pounds.
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JordanS9592 wrote: »Maybe it’s a lot for you, but I’m 340 pounds and I sweat about a gallon of water with every workout.
How do you know you sweat a gallon?1 -
I don’t see how the exact measurement is relevant. I sweat an abnormal amount of water during a workout, which I’ve weighed to be about 3-5 pounds, oftentimes equaling close to a gallon. Drinking 2 gallons of water has not had an adverse effect on my abnormally large body thus far. However, if someone has research to show that it would be harmful on someone my size and height, I’m open to adjusting that.2
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First of all congratulations to everyone who is losing or is well on their way to losing excess weight. Especially to the many voices who are advocating reasonable loss rates!
There is no sane reason to postpone exercise unless exercise results in excess stress, or counter-productive eating behavior, or induces less long term adherence.
What nutritionists tell their clients may or may not always be completely understood, or it may be addressing the client's specific circumstances, or be an answer to a specific question that sounds similar but is not the same as what someone else is asking.
The reaction of people to the water intake is probably because people often have the mistaken impression that they NEED to drink EXCESS water to lose weight. As long as you urinate "straw color" your hydration levels are probably good enough.
If you are regularly sweating excessively and are also drinking excess amounts of water please don't reduce your sodium intake to the low levels that a lot of "clean eaters" do. In fact a level higher than MFP's default may be required to maintain your electrolyte balance.
Please note that it is completely irrelevant FOR THE PURPOSE OF EFFECTIVE WEIGHT LOSS whether you are eating clean or not--whichever way you may be defining clean.
I urge you to evaluate your food intake *dispassionately* and to consider alternatives for anything that seems to you to be offering low levels of satiation and satisfaction for the amount of calories it demands.
Calories vs satiation and satisfaction will be your friend for a long time to come and, at least for me, was the key to me achieving my goals. Yes, once I was well on my way to losing weight then I started becoming more curious and seeking to achieve an overall healthier diet, while still ensuring that I get more than my fair share of "treats".
If you want to eat "healthier" you may want to consider the food guidelines of various countries, including your own. You can find a comprehensive list of dietary guidelines here: http://www.fao.org/nutrition/education/food-dietary-guidelines/en/ In addition to the guides from Canada, US, Australia, NZ, and UK which I looked at due to my own cultural bias (I live in Canada), I found that the Brazilian and Japanese guides were quite interesting too. I can't claim that I follow any of them, though I have most certainly increased my vegetable and fruit consumption as compared to in the past.
My personal approach to weighing in is to weigh daily in the morning before eating and drinking and after using the bathroom wearing the same attire (or lack thereof) and recording my daily weigh into my fitbit.com account which pushes it to both MFP and trendweight.com which is the tool I use to look at my weight level's trend over time!
I heartily endorse the use of food scales, and strongly suggest confirming the database entries you are using with both package labels and authoritative databases such as the usda standard reference database. Zero calorie foods just... aren't. Not in large enough quantities!
Take care and best of luck.10 -
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@PAV8888 Thanks for the thorough response. I will take these things into consideration. I’m thinking of consulting a nutritionist to devise a personalized plan.0
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JordanS9592 wrote: »I don’t see how the exact measurement is relevant. I sweat an abnormal amount of water during a workout, which I’ve weighed to be about 3-5 pounds, oftentimes equaling close to a gallon. Drinking 2 gallons of water has not had an adverse effect on my abnormally large body thus far. However, if someone has research to show that it would be harmful on someone my size and height, I’m open to adjusting that.
My concern is not that your water intake is hurting you; it’s that excessive thirst is a common diabetes symptom. That’s why I asked about water loss through sweating, which might mean this amount of liquid intake is not “excessive” for you.
If one was so thirsty that they needed two gallons of water per day, and there was no good explanation for why they needed so much, then that would merit a trip to the doctor.11 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »I don’t see how the exact measurement is relevant. I sweat an abnormal amount of water during a workout, which I’ve weighed to be about 3-5 pounds, oftentimes equaling close to a gallon. Drinking 2 gallons of water has not had an adverse effect on my abnormally large body thus far. However, if someone has research to show that it would be harmful on someone my size and height, I’m open to adjusting that.
If you're comfortable drinking two gallons a day and you're not feeling bloated or uncomfortable... then don't worry about it and keep doing it. It's much better than not drinking enough and being dehydrated.
As far as daily weight swings, I'm around 200 lbs and have definitely seen fluctuations of 5-7 lbs in a day...easy.
If I weigh in the early morning after a long run in the Texas heat, I'll definitely be at my low weight of the day. If I weigh in mid-day after a big lunch and pounding glasses of iced tea (which I tend to do), it's not surprising to see my weight jump up 4-5 lbs or more.
Here's a few tips from a guy who's done this for awhile
- Do not worry about day to day weight changes.
- Do your "Official" weigh ins at the same time every day. I do mine in the morning after my workouts when I know I'll be at my lowest weight of the day.
- Focus on trends over extended periods. It's a marathon and you may have times when the scale goes up for a few days. But focus on what's happening week to week or even month to month.
The Healthmate App for the Withings(Nokia) scales is great for this. It has a trend line that averages your weigh ins. So a random "High" or "Low" weigh is taken into account. You can really see what the trend line is doing which is far more informative than a single weight measurement.2 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »@PAV8888 Thanks for the thorough response. I will take these things into consideration. I’m thinking of consulting a nutritionist to devise a personalized plan.
Make it a Registered Dietitian, not a nutritionist.8 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.
You are confused. The issue is not "exercise" it is building muscle mass. Of course you can and should exercise.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.
You are confused. The issue is not "exercise" it is building muscle mass. Of course you can and should exercise.
What you said was this:wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
If one exercises (including strength exercise) while obese and in a calorie deficit, your body will not "take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time", if you keep your calorie deficit sensible, and don't over-exercise (i.e., go so far past your current fitness level that you get severely fatigued).
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For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.0
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wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
Who are you responding to that said that????3 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
No, you said to not exercise until at a non-obese weight. That's what we're pushing back against.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
No, you said to not exercise until at a non-obese weight. That's what we're pushing back against.
That is not what I said. But, you know that, don't you? I said that after becoming non obese one could then exercise to build muscle. Now, just stop the quibbling, you are embarrassing yourself.7
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