9 pounds of water weight in a day
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JordanS9592 wrote: »I don’t see how the exact measurement is relevant. I sweat an abnormal amount of water during a workout, which I’ve weighed to be about 3-5 pounds, oftentimes equaling close to a gallon. Drinking 2 gallons of water has not had an adverse effect on my abnormally large body thus far. However, if someone has research to show that it would be harmful on someone my size and height, I’m open to adjusting that.
If you're comfortable drinking two gallons a day and you're not feeling bloated or uncomfortable... then don't worry about it and keep doing it. It's much better than not drinking enough and being dehydrated.
As far as daily weight swings, I'm around 200 lbs and have definitely seen fluctuations of 5-7 lbs in a day...easy.
If I weigh in the early morning after a long run in the Texas heat, I'll definitely be at my low weight of the day. If I weigh in mid-day after a big lunch and pounding glasses of iced tea (which I tend to do), it's not surprising to see my weight jump up 4-5 lbs or more.
Here's a few tips from a guy who's done this for awhile
- Do not worry about day to day weight changes.
- Do your "Official" weigh ins at the same time every day. I do mine in the morning after my workouts when I know I'll be at my lowest weight of the day.
- Focus on trends over extended periods. It's a marathon and you may have times when the scale goes up for a few days. But focus on what's happening week to week or even month to month.
The Healthmate App for the Withings(Nokia) scales is great for this. It has a trend line that averages your weigh ins. So a random "High" or "Low" weigh is taken into account. You can really see what the trend line is doing which is far more informative than a single weight measurement.2 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »@PAV8888 Thanks for the thorough response. I will take these things into consideration. I’m thinking of consulting a nutritionist to devise a personalized plan.
Make it a Registered Dietitian, not a nutritionist.8 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.
You are confused. The issue is not "exercise" it is building muscle mass. Of course you can and should exercise.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
What? You (or your nutritionist) is claiming that the obese body can't lose weight if exercising? I must be misunderstanding you because that makes no sense whatsoever.
You are confused. The issue is not "exercise" it is building muscle mass. Of course you can and should exercise.
What you said was this:wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
Lose the weight to improve overall body health at a reasonable rate with good nutrition. When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time. Your body will take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time.
If one exercises (including strength exercise) while obese and in a calorie deficit, your body will not "take the extra calories and retain the fat and you just be tired and hungry all the time", if you keep your calorie deficit sensible, and don't over-exercise (i.e., go so far past your current fitness level that you get severely fatigued).
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For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.0
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wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
Who are you responding to that said that????3 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
No, you said to not exercise until at a non-obese weight. That's what we're pushing back against.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
No, you said to not exercise until at a non-obese weight. That's what we're pushing back against.
That is not what I said. But, you know that, don't you? I said that after becoming non obese one could then exercise to build muscle. Now, just stop the quibbling, you are embarrassing yourself.7 -
wilson10102018 wrote: »^^^ This.
When you get to a non-obese number, or close enough, add exercise to build muscle for tone and fitness health. You can't do both at one time...
Wilson, this is what you said - and it’s nonsense. Here’s is my quick personal story - 5’ 10” 32 year old male - Jan 2016 I was 367 lbs, this morning I was 230.4. That’s 137 lbs lost in 3.5ish years. I won’t be in a non-obese category until I’m below 209 according to BMI calculations (which I monitor as a data point, but put little stock into). You’re suggesting that I should lose another 19 lbs before adding in exercise.... hooo boy. After completing C25K I moved on to C210K and I’ve competed in 10K races - I’m now running about 7-11 miles each week while lifting about 4-5x per week. My shoulders and arms are toned more than ever and I’m stronger now more than I’ve ever been. If I’d have listened to advice like this I’d be losing weight by calorie counting for sure, but I’d probably still be losing my breath going up flights of stairs. I wouldn’t be able to participate competitively in club team water polo as I have been, I wouldn’t have finished just outside of the top 100 out of 1000 in my most recent 10K race, I wouldn’t be competent in the gym, I wouldn’t be sleeping better and I wouldn’t get comments from my wife like I did last night when we were curled up on the couch and her hand was on my arm when she said “what’s this?” And I said “what’s what?” She said “this lump on your arm, what is it?” And I said “you mean my bicep?” And she looked down and said “oh, I guess it is. Wow, that’s really impressive.” So yeah, waiting to get to a non-obese number before getting into exercise is terrible terrible terrrrrrrible advice.
OP, keep doing what you’re doing. You’re a bit taller than I, but I was once well over 300lbs as you are now and never once have a regretted the decision to get my weight and health under control.
As other have said, it is important to have consistent conditions when you weight in. I think you can do it in the morning, afternoon, or night, just make sure it is always the same conditions (ie clothed or not, before or after using the toilet or not). I, for one, did a weekly weigh in on Saturday morning after a run, naked, after having gone to the bathroom. Lately I’ve been doing a daily weigh in but that is more for myself as a tool of accountability, I care more about how am looking from week to week.
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wilson10102018 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »wilson10102018 wrote: »For my part, all I can say is good luck with that, i.e. losing weight and gaining muscle mass simultaneously. I think it has been the theme of about 100 infomercials from TV for some red hot diet pills or device that did not work. But I'd be the first person to say good job to those of you who have been successful at it.
No, you said to not exercise until at a non-obese weight. That's what we're pushing back against.
That is not what I said. But, you know that, don't you? I said that after becoming non obese one could then exercise to build muscle. Now, just stop the quibbling, you are embarrassing yourself.
Obese people already have a lot of muscle - built from having to carry around such a heavy body. Exercising to retain as much of that muscle as possible whilst losing fat is an excellent idea, since it's much easier to retain it than to rebuild it after losing it along with the fat.
Your suggestion appears to be to just lose weight (which will be both fat and muscle) until reaching a non-obese BMI, and only then start training to rebuild that lost muscle. That's not an effective or efficient way of doing it, and it's why some people are unhappy with the way their body looks after losing a lot of weight without doing any strength training.6 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »So a week ago, I weighed 337. Saturday, I weighed in at 332. Yesterday was my day off after 6 days of hard exercise. Last night I weighed in at 341! Now, I understand that night time makes you gain a couple, and I drank 2 gallons of water and ate all my calories. However, I drink and eat that much every day. I track my food scrupulously and stay under my original calories for the day, even though I lose 1000-2000 calories per day with exercise. Was I misled by my Saturday weigh in, and am I doing something wrong?
You need to observe trends over time...you don't have a "real" weight...bodyweight fluctuates naturally for a variety of reasons.
Drinking 2 gallons of water seems over the top...overhydrating is just as bad as dehydrating.2 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »So a week ago, I weighed 337. Saturday, I weighed in at 332. Yesterday was my day off after 6 days of hard exercise. Last night I weighed in at 341! Now, I understand that night time makes you gain a couple, and I drank 2 gallons of water and ate all my calories. However, I drink and eat that much every day. I track my food scrupulously and stay under my original calories for the day, even though I lose 1000-2000 calories per day with exercise. Was I misled by my Saturday weigh in, and am I doing something wrong?
Weight fluctuates. It can be tempting but I would try to weigh myself once a week around the same time every week. Personally, its monday morning. In the early stages (I was about 340 myself) I would sneak a peek mid week and maybe fast or do a two a day if I didnt see a loss but in time I just had to trust the process.0 -
JordanS9592 wrote: »I eat 3000 calories per day so I can get enough protein to maintain muscle. I eat clean though, typically something like eggs, Cheerios, almond milk, cherries, oranges, blueberries, tuna, almonds, protein powder, pure protein bar, ground beef, pasta, etc.
I think your overall plan is very good. Water retention is a real thing. Not sure what your protein goals are but you can certainly get enough on a lower calorie diet if you want to see faster losses. So you can stick with your current plan and see if more water comes off or restrict your choices and portions to something below 3000.0 -
Uhmmm... so, I can’t sleep and was trolling the forums. I’ve seen your daily exercise posts. I know that you are larger and that swimming is a great exercise but your calories burned is pretty high. To push 2k calories in 1-1.5 hours is intense. I am assuming you are using MFP calculator? You might want to invest in a HR monitor. The old school polars with a separate strap are my favorite for open ocean swims.
I weigh myself daily but never at night. Once I did out of curiosity but the difference wasn’t significant. In the mornings I’ve had swings as high as 9 lbs. Most people assume weight loss is a steady decline. Nope 😂 it is more like a slight upward arc followed by a sudden drop, this pattern has repeated for me multiple times. I’m more than half way to my goal weight and I’ve been losing since January. It has been a huge lifestyle change. My philosophy on MFP is to record the lowest reading. Even if I jump up 4lbs the following morning, I don’t change my recorded weight.
As for muscle, I understand why people freak about it but it really isn’t that big of a deal. To lose weight you have to create a deficit. Muscle can not grow in a calorie deficit state. Your strength and response can flourish but you won’t find yourself “bulking up” until you start maintaining. I’ve lost .9 lbs of muscle but started with 112lbs. So, not the end of the world. You would be surprised at how much is actually there under the fluffy 😂
Now, what caused that fluctuation? A million things PLUS one 🤣😂 First I want to make a point of saying that drinking more water won’t cause you to retain. Anything you drink in excess will be released by your body. I drink between 60-115 oz of water per day, never had a problem. Possible causes for spikes on the scale: Influx of salt, eating later, stress, poor sleep, hard exercise, dehydration, maco imbalance, high carb intake, severe calorie restriction combined with hard exercise, hormonal changes, new medication, stopping medications, etc. These have all been factors for me.
The hardest part about stepping on the scale isn’t the number you see but the number in your head that you WANT to see. It’s okay, we all do it 😂 but it can be the biggest motivaton killer.
I used to roll my eyes when I would hear people say that the number on the scale was less important than the fit of your clothes. I still don’t entirely agree but I will say that I have come to see the wisdom in the idea. The scale really shouldn’t be your *only* progress marker. The way you feel, the way your body moves, the way you look in your clothes and your overall outlook on life are all things to be proud of. My best moments have come from fitness related goals, not from my scale reading.
So, I say this to everyone but I really mean it, hang in there. Keep doing what you are doing and the results will follow 👍3 -
@Holly92154 thank you for taking the time to write out that encouraging post. I will find a way to hang in there. Nothing will stop me.3
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Frustrating the *kitten* out of me now started at 12st upped calories to 2700 as it was what the app told me put on 6lb in first week but I ain’t changed anything and now I’m losing weight I’m now 12st 1 wtf how can this be I set it to inactive as I’m a full time dad and yh I do weights but don’t really do owt else part from stay at home can anyone help0 -
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Frustrating the *kitten* out of me now started at 12st upped calories to 2700 as it was what the app told me put on 6lb in first week but I ain’t changed anything and now I’m losing weight I’m now 12st 1 wtf how can this be I set it to inactive as I’m a full time dad and yh I do weights but don’t really do owt else part from stay at home can anyone help
It might help if you start your own thread with your stats and goals.2
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