Introducing myself to Keto

Are you staying in your calorie limit? Two weeks isn’t long

How much do you have to lose?

Are you weighing all of your foods? Whether you do keto, vegan or another way of eating, you have to stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight.

Hates2run wrote: »

Been doing keto 4 months. Feel free to add me. Recommend taking your measurements as you’ll likely lose inches but may not see the scale move at times.

Agree, I take measurements and progress pics, I don't own scales.

Low Carber Daily Forum group and The Keto group are great places to join for support, advice, and foods.

psychod787 wrote: »

Hi keto! What? No fruit? Bye keto! Lol. Seriously how it goes well for you.

I don't promote keto to others, I just don't think it's sustainable for most cutting breads, rice, grains, beans, legumes, and potatoes.

But the fruit thing is a misconception about keto. I've been on Keto for two months, I snack on fruit daily, I also eat veggies daily. Because a lot veggies and fruits have fiber, I get in plenty of fruits and veggies, subtract fiber, and still consume low net carbs.

naomianne69 wrote: »

How great is it to have that fresh wind of honesty. I think that I should re evaluate the Keto diet, but so far I've actually been enjoying it. Perhaps now that I've joined, I will continue to track my foods/ fitness and get some weight off. Thanks.

Keep in mind, you can always cycle your diets. You can always run keto for a period of time and then slowly add carbs back.

Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Emmapatterson1729 wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

Hi keto! What? No fruit? Bye keto! Lol. Seriously how it goes well for you.

I don't promote keto to others, I just don't think it's sustainable for most cutting breads, rice, grains, beans, legumes, and potatoes.

But the fruit thing is a misconception about keto. I've been on Keto for two months, I snack on fruit daily, I also eat veggies daily. Because a lot veggies and fruits have fiber, I get in plenty of fruits and veggies, subtract fiber, and still consume low net carbs.

You may be surprised by how differently some posters here define "plenty of fruits and veggies" and how their definition would not work for keto

I realize berries are low carb, but I wouldn't want to limit myself to berries. I also like bananas, especially in my fruit and veggie smoothie (today's was 22 g net carbs and that was only half of a smallish banana, plus strawberries, kale, Swiss chard, etc.)

And it's peach season! Nom nom nom.

I agree, but I also know the flip side is common too. I was chatting with a poster a while back who declared she "ate everything, in moderation". When we got to details she told me that the day before she had saved enough calories for 1/2 a cookie. One half a cookie on some days??? That's "everything in moderation"? It really is all about perspective. Sounds like you're doing what works for you! (I love fruit too)

Yeah 1/2 a cookie wouldn't be sustainable for me, either.

I leave approximately 200 calories for my evening snack. Sometimes I eat more than that, sometimes less, sometimes nothing at all. I do find that it averages out pretty well, though, over the long term.

snickerscharlie wrote: »

Calories rule. There's no special advantage to keto. It's fine if you like the restrictions, hell if you don't.

Edited to add: Our Ontario peaches are freaking amazing this year!

Mmmmm... peaches.....a ripe peach is one of my weaknesses!

AlabasterVerve wrote: »

Not to argue with anyone's personal experience but I have no problem incorporating higher carb fruits and vegetables into my diet in a satisfying (to me) way. If you're new to eating a low carb/ketogenic diet instead of working from a list of foods you can't have go by what actually fits your carb limit.

So what if one thing you want is nearly all of your carbs for the day? The carbs in green vegetables are negligible.

If I wanted that 22 net carb fruit smoothie in the morning (I wouldn't I'd be starving) I'd stick to green vegetables for dinner. A quart of strawberries, a banana or a couple of oranges can fit perfectly fine. If I was having beef and black bean chili for dinner I'd have something lower carb for breakfast. If I'm roasting vegetables I'd use a small potato, some onion and more broccoli. If I was making a flour thickened gravy that would be paired with meat and a green vegetable instead of a starchy one.

Don't take anyone else's word for what you can and can't eat. Look at the foods you like the most and see if you can't make them work.

I'm kind of the same...I call it my version of keto...I still come in very low carb compared to standard American diet, but if I want a peach, I eat a peach, nectarines, plums, apples, cherries, tomatoes, etc. Almost all veggies still on my menu, with every meal.

But I cut potatoes, breads, certain sweeteners, grains, beans, legumes, and certain oils.

I have extreme sensitivities to these.

But most fruits and most veggies don't bloat or hurt me. So, I eat them. If something causes bloat and pain it gets eliminated from diet. Like sriracha, love the stuff, but my god it causes me pain.

When it comes to menu planning, to each his own.

The only thing I miss is bread... I caved the other day and had a dinner roll my fiance home-baked...I paid for it, bloat! I hate my illness!

Emmapatterson1729 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Emmapatterson1729 wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

Hi keto! What? No fruit? Bye keto! Lol. Seriously how it goes well for you.

I don't promote keto to others, I just don't think it's sustainable for most cutting breads, rice, grains, beans, legumes, and potatoes.

But the fruit thing is a misconception about keto. I've been on Keto for two months, I snack on fruit daily, I also eat veggies daily. Because a lot veggies and fruits have fiber, I get in plenty of fruits and veggies, subtract fiber, and still consume low net carbs.

You may be surprised by how differently some posters here define "plenty of fruits and veggies" and how their definition would not work for keto

I realize berries are low carb, but I wouldn't want to limit myself to berries. I also like bananas, especially in my fruit and veggie smoothie (today's was 22 g net carbs and that was only half of a smallish banana, plus strawberries, kale, Swiss chard, etc.)

And it's peach season! Nom nom nom.

I eat peaches, nectarines, plums, apples, tomatoes, avocados, cherries, I dislike bananas (just taste--got sick of as a kid). I eat fruit daily. I try to eat veggies with every meal.

Maybe you have a different idea of the goal carbs than many doing keto.

When I tried it, I decided that under 50 net was probably fine, but because under 20 was so often recommended I tried to keep it at around 60 total carbs/35 net carbs. I ate NO fruit, and either a serving of nuts or a serving of greek yogurt per day, and beyond that got my carbs from non-starchy veg. I was always at the limit of my goal, and had to eat less veg than I otherwise would to get there. So when people talk about being under 20 or 25 g net carbs and eating fruits and veg and also include various keto treats (which do have some carbs), I assume their idea of plenty of fruit and veg is very different from mine. And with the fruit I really wonder how it's possible.

I think the very low carb, don't bother about whether you are in ketosis or not, and sometimes be more flexible is a great approach for some -- I think it makes a lot more sense than the standard recs for keto -- but I don't think it's possible to just ignore that most of the popular keto sites that people are following when they start are recommending that one keep below 20 or 25% or 5% of total calories (5% of 1600=20 g net carbs, 5% of 1200=15 g net carbs). Personally, I think a percentage should be calculated on maintenance carbs -- so more like 5% of 2000 = 50 g net carbs, which is where I got my number above, but that it not ordinarily what I see recommended here by people doing keto, or on the sites that are recommended to newbies.

kshama2001 wrote: »

AlabasterVerve wrote: »

Not to argue with anyone's personal experience but I have no problem incorporating higher carb fruits and vegetables into my diet in a satisfying (to me) way. If you're new to eating a low carb/ketogenic diet instead of working from a list of foods you can't have go by what actually fits your carb limit.

So what if one thing you want is nearly all of your carbs for the day? The carbs in green vegetables are negligible.

If I wanted that 22 net carb fruit smoothie in the morning (I wouldn't I'd be starving) I'd stick to green vegetables for dinner. A quart of strawberries, a banana or a couple of oranges can fit perfectly fine. If I was having beef and black bean chili for dinner I'd have something lower carb for breakfast. If I'm roasting vegetables I'd use a small potato, some onion and more broccoli. If I was making a flour thickened gravy that would be paired with meat and a green vegetable instead of a starchy one.

Don't take anyone else's word for what you can and can't eat. Look at the foods you like the most and see if you can't make them work.

It's not just 22 net carbs, it is also 33 g protein and 13 g fat

I'm sure it's delicious and filling for you!

lemurcat2 wrote: »

Emmapatterson1729 wrote: »

kshama2001 wrote: »

Emmapatterson1729 wrote: »

psychod787 wrote: »

Hi keto! What? No fruit? Bye keto! Lol. Seriously how it goes well for you.

I don't promote keto to others, I just don't think it's sustainable for most cutting breads, rice, grains, beans, legumes, and potatoes.

But the fruit thing is a misconception about keto. I've been on Keto for two months, I snack on fruit daily, I also eat veggies daily. Because a lot veggies and fruits have fiber, I get in plenty of fruits and veggies, subtract fiber, and still consume low net carbs.

You may be surprised by how differently some posters here define "plenty of fruits and veggies" and how their definition would not work for keto

I realize berries are low carb, but I wouldn't want to limit myself to berries. I also like bananas, especially in my fruit and veggie smoothie (today's was 22 g net carbs and that was only half of a smallish banana, plus strawberries, kale, Swiss chard, etc.)

And it's peach season! Nom nom nom.

I eat peaches, nectarines, plums, apples, tomatoes, avocados, cherries, I dislike bananas (just taste--got sick of as a kid). I eat fruit daily. I try to eat veggies with every meal.

Maybe you have a different idea of the goal carbs than many doing keto.

When I tried it, I decided that under 50 net was probably fine, but because under 20 was so often recommended I tried to keep it at around 60 total carbs/35 net carbs. I ate NO fruit, and either a serving of nuts or a serving of greek yogurt per day, and beyond that got my carbs from non-starchy veg. I was always at the limit of my goal, and had to eat less veg than I otherwise would to get there. So when people talk about being under 20 or 25 g net carbs and eating fruits and veg and also include various keto treats (which do have some carbs), I assume their idea of plenty of fruit and veg is very different from mine. And with the fruit I really wonder how it's possible.

I think the very low carb, don't bother about whether you are in ketosis or not, and sometimes be more flexible is a great approach for some -- I think it makes a lot more sense than the standard recs for keto -- but I don't think it's possible to just ignore that most of the popular keto sites that people are following when they start are recommending that one keep below 20 or 25% or 5% of total calories (5% of 1600=20 g net carbs, 5% of 1200=15 g net carbs). Personally, I think a percentage should be calculated on maintenance carbs -- so more like 5% of 2000 = 50 g net carbs, which is where I got my number above, but that it not ordinarily what I see recommended here by people doing keto, or on the sites that are recommended to newbies.

I'm the same. I can't go as low as most in keto groups doing keto for weightloss. I have to have fruits and veggies. You are correct, most trying to lose go super low, now the magic number I always see is under 15 net carbs...I cannot do it.

There's also a push it seems in groups to do carnivore diet....

I'm trying to up my proteins and carbs while lowering fats (more of a balance instead of being super high fat intake); I could never go carnivore. I'm hoping to slowly up carbs more and shift into maintenance. But it will still be only fruit and veggie carbs (and rice...I don't think rice makes me bloat).

An observation (I notice patterns with everything in life).
And I say this a lot when talking about keto, I notice the friends' diaries, who eat Keto for medical problems, look a lot like mine, fruits and veggies daily. The people using keto as a weight-loss plan, tend to be more fats and proteins, zero fruits, little to no veggies.

The people doing keto, for the most part, tend to be in one of these two categories.

Of course, not a black and white world, there's always exceptions.

naomianne69 wrote: »

Yes, it's only been two weeks. I may continue on wards. I am weighing tomorrow, so will see. Thanks for the information.

This is kind of a nitpick, but remember that day-to-day weight is not going to tell you anything. If it's been two weeks, weighing in tomorrow is only 15 days instead of 14.

If you want to know whether keto is working for you, you should be able to tell realistically in 4-8 weeks, i.e. enough time to establish a trend and not make judgments on normal fluctuations.