Are the carbs from low calorie protein Ice Cream good or bad carbs ?
TonyRyad
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I am talking about the low cow protein ice cream (240 calories and 24g of protein for a whole pint)
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There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!26 -
I know it's semantics since Ann has explained that "Carbs are Carbs", but the pop culture understanding of Good vs Bad carbs are related to processed vs unprocessed sugar.
Meaning 100 calories from a watermelon (A little over 320 grams of the fruit, Contains about 20g of sugar.
Now, that sugar is wrapped in natural fiber which slows its absorption, plus vitamin A, C, iron, Magnesium and traces of other minerals depending on the ground it was grown.
Versus 100 calories from High Fructose Corn Syrup (About 37 Grams of the "goo") which is just what is is. 30 grams of pure sugar with no additional nutritional value and no fiber to slow down the absorption.
So it's a straight shot of sugar into your bloodstream.
Now... In that sense, Low Cow would be considered "Bad Carbs" since it uses Corn Syrup as a partial sweetener (They save the calories by adding Steviol to complete the sweet taste).
Regardless, your body processes the sugar the same way.
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I know it's semantics since Ann has explained that "Carbs are Carbs", but the pop culture understanding of Good vs Bad carbs are related to processed vs unprocessed sugar.
Meaning 100 calories from a watermelon (A little over 320 grams of the fruit, Contains about 20g of sugar.
Now, that sugar is wrapped in natural fiber which slows its absorption, plus vitamin A, C, iron, Magnesium and traces of other minerals depending on the ground it was grown.
Versus 100 calories from High Fructose Corn Syrup (About 37 Grams of the "goo") which is just what is is. 30 grams of pure sugar with no additional nutritional value and no fiber to slow down the absorption.
So it's a straight shot of sugar into your bloodstream.
Now... In that sense, Low Cow would be considered "Bad Carbs" since it uses Corn Syrup as a partial sweetener (They save the calories by adding Steviol to complete the sweet taste).
Regardless, your body processes the sugar the same way.
Do you know a lot of people that drink straight HFCS? Even if you are comparing natural sugars to watermelon to consumption of ice cream that contains HFCS, the ice cream isn’t completely devoid of nutrition as you suggest. It offers dairy, fat, and in the OP’s example, protein. If a person is low on protein or fat for their day, and had met other nutritional requirements, the ice cream could be a better choice than the watermelon.
The fact remains that trying to distill any single food or ingredient down to “good vs bad” is not helpful because it’s always going to come down to contest and dosage. As Ann said, there are no good carbs or bad carbs, there are no good foods or bad foods. There are no good sugars or bad sugars. They are all just components of an otherwise heathy or unhealthy diet.20 -
A carb is a carb is a carb
They all pretty much all ends up going through the same process in your body. 7 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
Do you know a lot of people that drink straight HFCS? Even if you are comparing natural sugars to watermelon to consumption of ice cream that contains HFCS, the ice cream isn’t completely devoid of nutrition as you suggest. It offers dairy, fat, and in the OP’s example, protein. If a person is low on protein or fat for their day, and had met other nutritional requirements, the ice cream could be a better choice than the watermelon.
The fact remains that trying to distill any single food or ingredient down to “good vs bad” is not helpful because it’s always going to come down to contest and dosage. As Ann said, there are no good carbs or bad carbs, there are no good foods or bad foods. There are no good sugars or bad sugars. They are all just components of an otherwise heathy or unhealthy diet. [/quote]
No one suggested drinking corn syrup out of a bottle and you also missed the point.
Also, i don't remember suggesting that the ice cream was devoid of any nutrition.
We are talking apples and oranges.
1 to 1 sugar is sugar. Extracted from its natural source, the sugar is the same. Fructose + Glucose.
However, when wrapped in fiber, the sugar has a slower rate of absorption and lower insulin response.
Ice cream has no fiber, and since sugar(or HFCS) is not fat soluble, the sugar is available in its purest form to be absorbed.
The combination of glucose, fat content in the ice cream and the liver processing the fructose into glycerides causes an insulin spike. This insulin spike causes the liver to push fat into the bloodstream at a faster rate causing yet more insulin to be released until the blood sugar and PH are stabilized. This does not happen when eating fruit or any other natural sugar.
Dr. Gerald Reaven (Endocrinology researcher with focus in insulin resistance and diabetes) claims that this process of fat production and insulin, repeated over time, can result hyperinsulinsim, and ultimately insulin resistance regardless of body composition.
And I won't even get into the Saturated Fat discussion as it will go nowhere.
So I would argue that coming here and telling people that sugar wrapped in saturated fat is the same as natural sugar wrapped in fiber, vitamins and minerals is not only wrong, it's irresponsible.
At a molecular level, sugar is sugar. But in real life application, all sugar is not the same.
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Unless a diabetic is speaking for himself, 99% of the attacks on sugar in particular and carbs in general are just more virtue signalling.15
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Why are people who are not type 1 diabetics afraid of insulin spikes??? - insulin spikes ( or rises in less emotive language) in response to glucose in the blood stream
That is what it is supposed to do and how the body regulates blood sugar levels.
Dangerous thing for type 1 diabetics is artificial insulin spikes without equivalent glucose in the blood stream to even out
Ie taking their insulin injection without having food to balance it
But this is not an issue for people with naturally occurring insulin ( ie everybody else but type 1 diabetics) whose insulin rises, as it is meant to, to convert blood sugar into the cells.13 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
Do you know a lot of people that drink straight HFCS? Even if you are comparing natural sugars to watermelon to consumption of ice cream that contains HFCS, the ice cream isn’t completely devoid of nutrition as you suggest. It offers dairy, fat, and in the OP’s example, protein. If a person is low on protein or fat for their day, and had met other nutritional requirements, the ice cream could be a better choice than the watermelon.
The fact remains that trying to distill any single food or ingredient down to “good vs bad” is not helpful because it’s always going to come down to contest and dosage. As Ann said, there are no good carbs or bad carbs, there are no good foods or bad foods. There are no good sugars or bad sugars. They are all just components of an otherwise heathy or unhealthy diet.
No one suggested drinking corn syrup out of a bottle and you also missed the point.
Also, i don't remember suggesting that the ice cream was devoid of any nutrition.
We are talking apples and oranges.
1 to 1 sugar is sugar. Extracted from its natural source, the sugar is the same. Fructose + Glucose.
However, when wrapped in fiber, the sugar has a slower rate of absorption and lower insulin response.
Ice cream has no fiber, and since sugar(or HFCS) is not fat soluble, the sugar is available in its purest form to be absorbed.
The combination of glucose, fat content in the ice cream and the liver processing the fructose into glycerides causes an insulin spike. This insulin spike causes the liver to push fat into the bloodstream at a faster rate causing yet more insulin to be released until the blood sugar and PH are stabilized. This does not happen when eating fruit or any other natural sugar.
Dr. Gerald Reaven (Endocrinology researcher with focus in insulin resistance and diabetes) claims that this process of fat production and insulin, repeated over time, can result hyperinsulinsim, and ultimately insulin resistance regardless of body composition.
And I won't even get into the Saturated Fat discussion as it will go nowhere.
So I would argue that coming here and telling people that sugar wrapped in saturated fat is the same as natural sugar wrapped in fiber, vitamins and minerals is not only wrong, it's irresponsible.
At a molecular level, sugar is sugar. But in real life application, all sugar is not the same.
Just FTR: The Low Cow protein ice cream mentioned by OP has 3g fiber per 70-calorie serving (I'm looking at the sea salt caramel flavor if that matters), and 5g of sugar.
A medium apple has 3.3g fiber per 72 calories, and 14.3g of sugar.
Hmm.
If OP eats the whole pint of the Low Cow, as implied in the post, s/he will get 12g of fiber, well on toward half a pretty sensible fiber goal for most people. I grant that it will be less filling than 4 apples, but I don't think it's going to creating horrifying insulin havoc.
Yes, the fiber is from (gasp) an additive: Probably much of it is from the scary, scary chicory root fiber listed in the ingredients.
Personally, of the two choices, I'd prefer to eat the apple(s). Or real ice cream. But I think OP can safely eat the Low Cow ice cream nonetheless.
Because I still say carbs are carbs.25 -
just_Tomek wrote: »
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wilson10102018 wrote: »Unless a diabetic is speaking for himself, 99% of the attacks on sugar in particular and carbs in general are just more virtue signalling.
Why "virtue signalling" instead of "confused due to the demonization of sugar and carbs in the media"?3 -
paperpudding wrote: »Why are people who are not type 1 diabetics afraid of insulin spikes??? - insulin spikes ( or rises in less emotive language) in response to glucose in the blood stream
That is what it is supposed to do and how the body regulates blood sugar levels.
Dangerous thing for type 1 diabetics is artificial insulin spikes without equivalent glucose in the blood stream to even out
Ie taking their insulin injection without having food to balance it
But this is not an issue for people with naturally occurring insulin ( ie everybody else but type 1 diabetics) whose insulin rises, as it is meant to, to convert blood sugar into the cells.
Actually there are some other medical reasons to worry about insulin spikes. Reactive hypoglycemia is pretty common - blood sugar goes up quickly in response to a high carb meal, the body overreacts and insulin spikes, blood sugar suddenly drops, followed by fainting. My husband has it occasionally and I used to have it as a teenager. In addition, many researchers believe insulin spikes contribute to insulin resistance which leads to type 2 diabetes.
However, the poster above who said that fat doesn’t slow absorption of sugar is simply wrong. I’m a type 2 diabetic and I can tell you that it does. Anything that isn’t carbs slows absorption of carbs, because it delays stomach emptying.
As far as Halo Top is concerned, my personal experience with it is that I get a higher blood sugar reading afterwards than would be expected from the number of carbs on the label, but not nearly as high as I would get from a comparable volume of actual ice cream. For me as a diabetic, it’s a reasonable treat once in a while.5 -
There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
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There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Except when a person has a medical condition which makes simple carbs better for them to eat. The carbs in your ice cream are good. Very good. The best. Have at it.
Also, there are simple carbs that are good (fruit) and complex carbs that you think are bad (flour). What was that about facts again?15 -
Totally depends on what it's wearing and how it behaves in public.13
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Wow, that comma's gonna bug me.
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There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Except when a person has a medical condition which makes simple carbs better for them to eat. The carbs in your ice cream are good. Very good. The best. Have at it.
Also, there are simple carbs that are good (fruit) and complex carbs that you think are bad (flour). What was that about facts again?
Not to mention that the glycemic index of a food item is only useful if that particular food is the only thing that you are eating (on a completely empty stomach). If you combine food items (like a in a sandwich), the GI of the bread in the sandwich is no longer useful because the other items in the sandwich slow the rate at which the bread will be processed, thus changing the GI effect of the bread.14 -
There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Except when a person has a medical condition which makes simple carbs better for them to eat. The carbs in your ice cream are good. Very good. The best. Have at it.
Also, there are simple carbs that are good (fruit) and complex carbs that you think are bad (flour). What was that about facts again?
Not to mention that the glycemic index of a food item is only useful if that particular food is the only thing that you are eating (on a completely empty stomach). If you combine food items (like a in a sandwich), the GI of the bread in the sandwich is no longer useful because the other items in the sandwich slow the rate at which the bread will be processed, thus changing the GI effect of the bread.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Except when a person has a medical condition which makes simple carbs better for them to eat. The carbs in your ice cream are good. Very good. The best. Have at it.
Also, there are simple carbs that are good (fruit) and complex carbs that you think are bad (flour). What was that about facts again?
Not to mention that the glycemic index of a food item is only useful if that particular food is the only thing that you are eating (on a completely empty stomach). If you combine food items (like a in a sandwich), the GI of the bread in the sandwich is no longer useful because the other items in the sandwich slow the rate at which the bread will be processed, thus changing the GI effect of the bread.
Are the carbs in oreos good or bad?
Asking for a friend.
Who doesn't exist.
And doesn't really care.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Why are people who are not type 1 diabetics afraid of insulin spikes??? - insulin spikes ( or rises in less emotive language) in response to glucose in the blood stream
That is what it is supposed to do and how the body regulates blood sugar levels.
Dangerous thing for type 1 diabetics is artificial insulin spikes without equivalent glucose in the blood stream to even out
Ie taking their insulin injection without having food to balance it
But this is not an issue for people with naturally occurring insulin ( ie everybody else but type 1 diabetics) whose insulin rises, as it is meant to, to convert blood sugar into the cells.
Actually there are some other medical reasons to worry about insulin spikes. Reactive hypoglycemia is pretty common - blood sugar goes up quickly in response to a high carb meal, the body overreacts and insulin spikes, blood sugar suddenly drops, followed by fainting. My husband has it occasionally and I used to have it as a teenager. In addition, many researchers believe insulin spikes contribute to insulin resistance which leads to type 2 diabetes.
However, the poster above who said that fat doesn’t slow absorption of sugar is simply wrong. I’m a type 2 diabetic and I can tell you that it does. Anything that isn’t carbs slows absorption of carbs, because it delays stomach emptying.
As far as Halo Top is concerned, my personal experience with it is that I get a higher blood sugar reading afterwards than would be expected from the number of carbs on the label, but not nearly as high as I would get from a comparable volume of actual ice cream. For me as a diabetic, it’s a reasonable treat once in a while.
Yes I admit my post was a tad over simplified - however the basic point stands - all these people who are worried about insulin and dont understand it is a normal biological reaction and not something scary
You (general you, non insulin dependant diabetics) eat something, your body releases insulin in response.
this is normal and what is suppossed to happen.
Most people eat icecream and within short time their blood glucose is regulated back to normal because body releases insulin
and not many people eat icecream and then faint afterwards
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There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Did you ask the question in OP because you wanted the answer - or because you had the (incorrect) answer and wanted to educate us all on it???
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There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
i'm type 2, but most people aren't diabetic, and they can eat simple carbs with no issues all day long. there's nothing bad about them. a food may not be something that works for you, but that's like saying all dogs are bad because you're allergic to dogs.
for that matter, if you eat high fiber with a simple carb, it can slow absorption. also i find a long walk about about an hour and a half after eating can control blood sugar increase. i eat a little sugar (8 grams per serving) in my favorite yogurt with no issues, so it's not bad for me.
btw, the carbs in the sugar free ice cream i eat can cause an increase in blood sugar - they tend to me sugar alcohols including malitol, sorbitol, xylitol, erythritol - but not as big an increase as regular ice cream.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Did you ask the question in OP because you wanted the answer - or because you had the (incorrect) answer and wanted to educate us all on it???
Oh, good grief!
Yer on yer own, OP.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »Why are people who are not type 1 diabetics afraid of insulin spikes??? - insulin spikes ( or rises in less emotive language) in response to glucose in the blood stream
That is what it is supposed to do and how the body regulates blood sugar levels.
Dangerous thing for type 1 diabetics is artificial insulin spikes without equivalent glucose in the blood stream to even out
Ie taking their insulin injection without having food to balance it
But this is not an issue for people with naturally occurring insulin ( ie everybody else but type 1 diabetics) whose insulin rises, as it is meant to, to convert blood sugar into the cells.
It involves many more than Type 1 Diabetics, or I am not getting your point. I am a Type 2 Diabetic, and when I have swings of blood glucose readings spiking out of range. It is normally caused by a Carb issue, that in turn has caused the blood sugar to rise higher than what I want. So I exercise to get it back down.
An insulin spike occurs when your body secretes a lot of insulin in a short period of time as the result in a spike in blood sugar. Yes I understand Type 2 issues are different than the Type 1, but still high blood sugars can cause big issues.
As a diabetic though, I decided the so called special ice creams small amount very expensive not really worth it. So instead I go out for the treat. And take in how many carbs, and exercise I will do to keep the blood sugar in check so there will not be an Insulin Spike.0 -
Sorry all, I had a delay in comments showing up on my end.0
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maureenkhilde wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Why are people who are not type 1 diabetics afraid of insulin spikes??? - insulin spikes ( or rises in less emotive language) in response to glucose in the blood stream
That is what it is supposed to do and how the body regulates blood sugar levels.
Dangerous thing for type 1 diabetics is artificial insulin spikes without equivalent glucose in the blood stream to even out
Ie taking their insulin injection without having food to balance it
But this is not an issue for people with naturally occurring insulin ( ie everybody else but type 1 diabetics) whose insulin rises, as it is meant to, to convert blood sugar into the cells.
It involves many more than Type 1 Diabetics, or I am not getting your point. I am a Type 2 Diabetic, and when I have swings of blood glucose readings spiking out of range. It is normally caused by a Carb issue, that in turn has caused the blood sugar to rise higher than what I want. So I exercise to get it back down.
An insulin spike occurs when your body secretes a lot of insulin in a short period of time as the result in a spike in blood sugar. Yes I understand Type 2 issues are different than the Type 1, but still high blood sugars can cause big issues.
As a diabetic though, I decided the so called special ice creams small amount very expensive not really worth it. So instead I go out for the treat. And take in how many carbs, and exercise I will do to keep the blood sugar in check so there will not be an Insulin Spike.
You would be worse off if you didn't have an insulin response to high blood sugar.2 -
There are not good or bad carbs. There are not good or bad foods (except poison foods, spoiled foods, or foods you're allergic to).
By the end of the day, you want to have gotten good overall nutrition (enough protein, fat, carbs, fiber, plus varied colorful veggies and fruit for micronutrients), and you want to be very close to your calorie goal.
Some of the protein and fats and carbs can come from ice cream, even from regular ice cream, not just special ice cream.
Carbs are just carbs. Even if you're diabetic, and find some carbs spike your blood sugar so you need to avoid them, which carbs that is will depend on the individual, so you need to test. If you're diabetic, it may matter how many carbs you eat at a time, or combined with what other foods.
If you don't have any medical conditions that affect how your body processes carbs, specific foods' carbs aren't good or bad, they're just carbs.
There can be good overall nutrition or bad overall nutrition (and a range of relative goodness/badness in between). Strive for good overall nutrition the majority of days, and you'll be fine.
Enjoy your ice cream!
Actually no, there are complex carbs with a low glycemic indice (sweet patatos, brown rice, beans etc) and simple carbs which are bad with a high glycemic indice (white flour, processed sugar, white bread, pastries etc)
Please get your facts
Sorry, no. Starches (including white flour, potatoes, pasta, rice) are complex carbs and all sugars (whether from fruit or otherwise) are simple carbs.
Please don't lecture others if you don't understand the basics.
GI is not all that relevant either, even if diabetic (which most of us are not), GL of a meal is what matters, and a meal including potatoes or pasta could have a not very high GL depending on what else one eats with it.
Claiming "complex carbs" are "good" and "simple carbs" (such as an orange) are "bad" shows a lack of understanding of nutrition.
IMO, a diet should consist mainly of nutrient dense foods with some treats if desired, but that has nothing much to do with type of carbs, and there are no "good carbs" or "bad carbs." There are more or less nutrient dense foods containing carbs (but most high cal low nutrient higher carb foods are also high in added fat, so ignoring that and obsessing about carbs seems to be a lack of understanding, again, to me).
Re the low cow ice cream, wouldn't be my choice for the cals, but seems easy enough to fit into a healthful diet.10 -
WinoGelato wrote: »
Do you know a lot of people that drink straight HFCS? Even if you are comparing natural sugars to watermelon to consumption of ice cream that contains HFCS, the ice cream isn’t completely devoid of nutrition as you suggest. It offers dairy, fat, and in the OP’s example, protein. If a person is low on protein or fat for their day, and had met other nutritional requirements, the ice cream could be a better choice than the watermelon.
The fact remains that trying to distill any single food or ingredient down to “good vs bad” is not helpful because it’s always going to come down to contest and dosage. As Ann said, there are no good carbs or bad carbs, there are no good foods or bad foods. There are no good sugars or bad sugars. They are all just components of an otherwise heathy or unhealthy diet.
No one suggested drinking corn syrup out of a bottle and you also missed the point.
Also, i don't remember suggesting that the ice cream was devoid of any nutrition.
We are talking apples and oranges.
1 to 1 sugar is sugar. Extracted from its natural source, the sugar is the same. Fructose + Glucose.
However, when wrapped in fiber, the sugar has a slower rate of absorption and lower insulin response.
Ice cream has no fiber, and since sugar(or HFCS) is not fat soluble, the sugar is available in its purest form to be absorbed.
The combination of glucose, fat content in the ice cream and the liver processing the fructose into glycerides causes an insulin spike. This insulin spike causes the liver to push fat into the bloodstream at a faster rate causing yet more insulin to be released until the blood sugar and PH are stabilized. This does not happen when eating fruit or any other natural sugar.
Dr. Gerald Reaven (Endocrinology researcher with focus in insulin resistance and diabetes) claims that this process of fat production and insulin, repeated over time, can result hyperinsulinsim, and ultimately insulin resistance regardless of body composition.
And I won't even get into the Saturated Fat discussion as it will go nowhere.
So I would argue that coming here and telling people that sugar wrapped in saturated fat is the same as natural sugar wrapped in fiber, vitamins and minerals is not only wrong, it's irresponsible.
At a molecular level, sugar is sugar. But in real life application, all sugar is not the same.
Your original comment compared nutrition facts of watermelon to HFCS. It ignored the other ingredients of ice cream. If you’re going to carve out only HFCS to compare to something that people eat alone then the reasonable asssumption is that you’re implying people consume the HFCS in isolation.
It also sounds like you’re suggesting insulin response is inherently a bad thing for any individual. As others have pointed out, it’s a completely normal biochemical response for healthy individuals and also is not automatically a bad thing even for those individuals with diabetes or insulin resistance. Boiling down “insulin response = bad” with no context or qualifiers shows either a misunderstanding of how the body works or an attempt to mislead those who don’t have a solid understanding to try to oversimplify and promote the good vs bad food debate.
And with all these discussions, you’re arguing with something no one has said. No one said ice cream and watermelon is the same from a nutritional perspective. The OP asked if eating a particular ice cream would be detrimental to their progress because of the type of carbs in it. The answer is no. And also that it’s entirely possible to eat a nutrient dense and balanced diet that includes both watermelon and ice cream in moderation. Along with proteins, vegetables, whole grains, healthy fats, and whatever else strikes your nutritional and tastebud fancy.
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