Re-watching Biggest Loser after losing 20 lbs; It's so toxic.
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Yep. I have always thought it was a sick, sad TV show. When I was at my heaviest - and now after losing almost 140 lb. It's disgusting to me the way the people are treated.3
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Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.[/quote]
A little off the topic here but responding to this quote, I’m back to losing again, and having less processed or fast food. It is amazing how much more satisfied i am since I’ve limited that. But I had to leave it off a while to appreciate the difference.9 -
psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.9 -
psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
1st... you don't know a damn thing about me and what I have lived. 2nd..... we make decisions every day that directly and indirectly effect how we live. One cant always help what they are born into, but one can TRY and better ones self... 3rd... from n=1 experience... the first to usually try and point out "privilege"... usually come from it.....18 -
psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
Oh... I am guessing you were born in a western affluent country? Lol yeah... that's a privilege unto itself.... remember that... I'm out...2 -
I hate that this show sets unrealistic expectations. You would think it would be obvious that this show is not going to be an example for the average person but I can’t even count the number of times I have talked to people who watch this show, are intelligent people otherwise, but feel that they should realistically be able to lose 10-20 lbs a week because they see that on tv. Then, when they don’t see a huge jump in the scale, they get discouraged and give up.12
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psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
I think it's simple (CICO - very basic maths) but not easy (emotions, personal experience and general life struggles get in the way)18 -
psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
In my life I have seen people struggle. In fact I have been there. Not knowing how the Bills are going to get paid. In the USA, we have SOME social safety nets. I am not saying it is much most times. Some family's get $150 US to feed 5 people. Though, we humans have brains that are nothing but a giant calculators. We are always running complex equations on cost vs benefit analysis. Human nature is to do as little as possible for the greatest possible gain. That includes food. One can make cheap homemade food for very little. Though, it requires effort. It goes against our nature. I can make a simple meal for less than $1 us a person. Or, I could go to McDonalds and get a super tasty $1 burger. I have little issues with people getting a hand up in life, but am completely against letting fast food chains and convenience stores take EBT.2 -
I just hated how everybody and their brother started doing BL challenges IRL.
A. It was just annoying to witness
B. It set up unrealistic expectations and then disappointment in the normal people who participated
C. It encouraged really bad ideas. Fad diets, under eating, unsustainable conditions, etc.
My husband’s fire dept did this, what the organizers didn’t know was there was a side bet. The winners would celebrate their win by participating in one of those eating challenges put on by a local bar. (2lb burger is consumed with 22 fries and 2 oz. soup in under 22 minutes).
I just shook my head at the whole thing.
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There are way too many shows that exploit people's suffering for the sake of entertainment.
The one that always bothered me the most was the show about hoarders. Hey, let's gawk at people with a serious mental illness to make us feel better about our own messy living room!
I saw a promo for another one that focused on people with seriously disordered eating habits. HAHA! Can you believe this woman eats nothing but popcicles every day? So FUNNY her OCD/eating disorder!
These shows always like to make it seem like they are "helping" these people and raising awareness about their plight.
No, they're just making money off of vulnerable people.11 -
I hate that this show sets unrealistic expectations. You would think it would be obvious that this show is not going to be an example for the average person but I can’t even count the number of times I have talked to people who watch this show, are intelligent people otherwise, but feel that they should realistically be able to lose 10-20 lbs a week because they see that on tv. Then, when they don’t see a huge jump in the scale, they get discouraged and give up.
I've watched this happen so much. A friend of mine lost about 70 lb in a few months and regained over 100, she is convinced not only that the BL methods are great but that she is worthless and a failure. It makes me sick and sad.6 -
I have never actually watched the show, but can tell you I have read the research behind successful excontestants.... they maintained a PAL of 1.7-1.8.... aka highly active. Maintained some form of dietary control.... I looks like a sickening show, I dont watch much t.v.... so....🤨1
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psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
@Terytha what exactly are you arguing against here? The act of cooking simple homemade food or something else?
And what's your point about privilege? Are you referring to people with cars and access to supermarkets vs those who live in food deserts?
To give another perspective, in many parts of the world, NOT having to eat simple homemade meals would be the privilege.10 -
I hate that this show sets unrealistic expectations. You would think it would be obvious that this show is not going to be an example for the average person but I can’t even count the number of times I have talked to people who watch this show, are intelligent people otherwise, but feel that they should realistically be able to lose 10-20 lbs a week because they see that on tv. Then, when they don’t see a huge jump in the scale, they get discouraged and give up.
Yes, when I first started on MFP I chose the 2 pounds per week goal with the exact rationale that if people on BL could lose in double digits, I could do 2 # per week.
I changed it before the first day was over, lol.
I feel bad for people who come here with unrealistic expectations and end up with hair loss etc from undereating, which is why I often share this graphic that I know some regulars are sick of seeing:
I'd prefer everyone who undereats to read this story https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10761904/under-1200-for-weight-loss/p1 but often a graphic is a more effective way to communicate.6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
@Terytha what exactly are you arguing against here? The act of cooking simple homemade food or something else?
And what's your point about privilege? Are you referring to people with cars and access to supermarkets vs those who live in food deserts?
To give another perspective, in many parts of the world, NOT having to eat simple homemade meals would be the privilege.
This is soo TRUE! I have been places where KFC was considered "special" day out. If people ate "out", it was usually from venders at the market selling homemade meals.2 -
Even the show's name is toxic. These "tough love" type reality shows should be banned. What these people need is a positive and supportive environment. If anything they need to be taught that they are awesome just the way they are and the number on the scale is just that. It becomes much better once you shed the emotional baggage.
But of course drama sells.3 -
There's one show like this that is funded by Walmart. Every single one of their participants winds up needing a tummy-tuck at the end. It's like a make-work project for plastic surgeons.
These shows set not-only unrealistic expectations for weight loss rate, but also for the level of effort required to lose weight. I wonder how many people have been discouraged from even trying because they thought they needed to spend 5 hours a day at the gym?0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
@Terytha what exactly are you arguing against here? The act of cooking simple homemade food or something else?
And what's your point about privilege? Are you referring to people with cars and access to supermarkets vs those who live in food deserts?
To give another perspective, in many parts of the world, NOT having to eat simple homemade meals would be the privilege.
Privilege isn't just money, but it must be nice to live in a world where that's true.
First: the privilege of a kitchen. My first apartment didn't even have one. I had my parents old microwave and a hot plate. I had one pan.
Second: the privilege of knowledge. I didn't know how to cook. I still barely know how to cook.
Third: the privilege of health. When I had a kitchen, I still had to bus to the grocery store, haul everything back, up to the third floor, put it all away, cook it, then clean up. Let me tell you which of those things happened when I was struggling with depression: none. Zero.
All of these things had work arounds which I learned over time. But to call it easy is beyond insulting to the hard work I put in.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »kenyonhaff wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »The sad truth is that over 80% of people who lose weight gain the weight back within 5 years, no matter how they lost the weight. Some gain even more than they lost. None of us are immune. Learning new eating habits and following them for your lifetime isn’t easy for anyone. It takes diligence and perseverance.
Getting back to OP. I agree. It’s a demeaning and bullying show, but most reality shows are.
Yes ma'am... most people are unwilling to give up the pleasures of the palate..
I would argue it's not that simple (I mean, we have to eat).
Plus, one of the horrible messages about eating healthy is that it has to be boring, bland, and lackluster. '
Also not saying there shouldn't be accountability and people need to make good choices. But it's easy to be fooled into thinking something is healthy (or not).
Agreed, though simple, homemade food can be both healthier and satisfying. It's all a matter of prospective. Yes ,it is that easy.
There's nothing easy about it. Calling it easy usually comes from a place of privilege and is diminishing of all those who struggle immensely.
@Terytha what exactly are you arguing against here? The act of cooking simple homemade food or something else?
And what's your point about privilege? Are you referring to people with cars and access to supermarkets vs those who live in food deserts?
To give another perspective, in many parts of the world, NOT having to eat simple homemade meals would be the privilege.
Privilege isn't just money, but it must be nice to live in a world where that's true.
First: the privilege of a kitchen. My first apartment didn't even have one. I had my parents old microwave and a hot plate. I had one pan.
Second: the privilege of knowledge. I didn't know how to cook. I still barely know how to cook.
Third: the privilege of health. When I had a kitchen, I still had to bus to the grocery store, haul everything back, up to the third floor, put it all away, cook it, then clean up. Let me tell you which of those things happened when I was struggling with depression: none. Zero.
All of these things had work arounds which I learned over time. But to call it easy is beyond insulting to the hard work I put in.
Oh don't forget TIME... So my hats off to the single working parent who is WORKING and taking care of 3 kids and still managed to put meals on the table for their family. No...I said it was as easy as EATING home made food. It is simple. Never said it was EASY... You want a reason to be "triggered" I can truly give you some. Oh... i like the words "hard work". Knowledge? Well that's ones own fault. Oh.. let's talk the privilege you had. You could take a bus. Ever met someone who does not even have that "privilege"? I have. The privilege of having a place to sleep? I have.. The ability to have access to food at a store... I have... check your privilege at the door.11
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