Processed food rant
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cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
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This thread is typical of most forums, when we type, there is no voice inflection, body language etc, so typing can be mis-identified as anger, rage, without any of that being implied, I guess I need emoji's or something to be more transparent.
Also typical in that you only gave out partial info in your original post. There's no reason for someone not to eat that turkey stick unless they have a condition such as you do... which you didn't mention until like ten posts later.12 -
psychod787 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Not always.... not going to derail the thread on fasting studies, OP... Here is the context of my attitude.... general apathy...
They are available on Google. Some people so well fasting, others not so much. It's a very individual thing. Some people are just wired to have a lower appetite and can skip meals. They have trouble eating in the morning. Some, dont get hungry until after they eat. For others, it allows larger more satisfying meals while in a deficit or maintaining. They like certain foods, and my eating less meals,they can include them. 5:2 protocols allow people to only have to "diet" 2 days a week. It's all about what makes a person more adherent to a reduced calorie intake.1 -
might i suggest to not sweat the small stuff...5
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cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
Adding cultures to milk to make yogurt is a form of adding a preservative. It just happens to be from bacteria. So, agreed.4 -
psychod787 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
Adding cultures to milk to make yogurt is a form of adding a preservative. It just happens to be from bacteria. So, agreed.
Oh joy, we're winding up for another "processed" vs "ultra-processed" debate. Shields up!
(See? Winky face.) 13 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
It would take a whole new thread to go into healthy vs harmful preservatives found in processed foods, just because the FDA approves something, doesn't make it healthy. You'll have to weed throughout the millions of web articles, find some scholarly sites for decent info on additives, many of the chemicals are harmful and cause lasting health issues. Most Nutritionist/Physicians tend to agree.
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First of all, all processed food have a ton of salt. "No Added Salt" is relatively new concept.0
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candylilacs wrote: »First of all, all processed food have a ton of salt. "No Added Salt" is relatively new concept.
and...most natural foods have enough natural salt in them0 -
candylilacs wrote: »First of all, all processed food have a ton of salt. "No Added Salt" is relatively new concept.
and...most natural foods have enough natural salt in them
That answer is relative to the person. As a competitive powerlifter, my sodium needs are higher and I need to supplement. As someone with a medical issue, yours are lower. Context is always important.18 -
psychod787 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
Adding cultures to milk to make yogurt is a form of adding a preservative. It just happens to be from bacteria. So, agreed.
Oh joy, we're winding up for another "processed" vs "ultra-processed" debate. Shields up! (See? Winky face.)
<---- backs away slowly..... "I dont want any trouble ma'am..."2 -
A food exists that contains more sodium than your health condition allows for.
You neither paid for nor ate this food.
Not sure how this is a big deal or how it's an indictment against "processed foods."19 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
It would take a whole new thread to go into healthy vs harmful preservatives found in processed foods, just because the FDA approves something, doesn't make it healthy. You'll have to weed throughout the millions of web articles, find some scholarly sites for decent info on additives, many of the chemicals are harmful and cause lasting health issues. Most Nutritionist/Physicians tend to agree.
Nah, we've got bunches of old ones we can look up if anyone wants to go there. Let's don't do it again.
Nutrition is important, but that's primarily about overall way of eating, not each indidual food. Context, including personal health issues, makes a difference in what's sensible/not.
IMO, how "processed" something is per se isn't very important; what's important is nutrition and safety (which includes consideration of ingredients, in context). There are bunches of arguments about safety; people here will want research cites, not generalities about what "nutritionists/physicians" think.
Hereabouts, a business card, with or without a weekend certification course, makes a person a "nutritionist". Physicians, by default, get a very short nutrition overview as part of their medical training; unless they specialize, it's not their expertise. "Registered dietitian" would be the term to look for, in my neck of the woods, if you want someone with a relevant degree & certifications.
I wouldn't eat that turkey thing . . . but because I'm vegetarian. Some nice raw sauerkraut, at the same or higher sodium level . . . that would be nice. For me, not you, because I have no reason to minimize salt/sodium.11 -
candylilacs wrote: »First of all, all processed food have a ton of salt. "No Added Salt" is relatively new concept.
and...most natural foods have enough natural salt in them
Depends. When I was doing a lot of endurance cycling, I needed more sodium in my diet than what is typically recommended for my condition because I would sweat a lot and lose a lot of salt. When I tried to keep my sodium at recommended limits for my condition I would get severe cramps in my calves.
I'm not doing so much of that activity at the moment, so I keep my sodium lower than when I am...but when I was doing endurance events and whatnot it was pretty common for me to take shots of pickle juice.12 -
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cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
It would take a whole new thread to go into healthy vs harmful preservatives found in processed foods, just because the FDA approves something, doesn't make it healthy. You'll have to weed throughout the millions of web articles, find some scholarly sites for decent info on additives, many of the chemicals are harmful and cause lasting health issues. Most Nutritionist/Physicians tend to agree.
I have never talked to most nutritionists or physicians and even if I had neither of them are qualified to speak on the subject of "harmful" additives.
Usually the chemicals and additives that are found to be harmful are harmful to rodents quantities that far exceed anything anyone would ever eat. I believe I am safe as long as I do not turn into a rodent that is used as a test subject.15 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »just_Tomek wrote: »Wound tight?? nice community(sarc) wife didn't buy it, was given to her, she passed it on, her feelings won't be hurt. I have Venous Edema in both legs, sodium causes severe swelling, I monitor all my sodium intake. I'm trying to watch all calories and sodium, I plan my routine for the entire day at the start, otherwise just eating and at the last meal there won't be enough left for the final meal, so yes, at 300+lbs-prediabetic-poor health, I scrutinize every little thing, it all adds up.
We all get angry when hungry and with your "diet" you must be hungry 16 hours of the day lol
Actually, not too bad, just disgusted with all the crap they put in processed food these days, I actually wasn't mad when I posted it, tried to inject some humor as i was typing ie: turd, trough, etc
There really isn't a lot of crap in that though...it's jerky, so it's going to be high in sodium as all jerky is pretty high in sodium. But ingredient wise, it's pretty much Turkey, water, and sodium. Sodium in and of itself isn't "crap"...I realize you have a reason to watch it (as do I), but sodium is actually an essential electrolyte and a good preservative for things like jerky.
agree, was only stating "crap" about processed foods in general as a lot of them have many added chemicals in the use of preserving shelf life, I understand the needs of sodium, but also my limitations, which are obviously not the same as everyone else.
In what way does having preservatives make something "crap"?
It would take a whole new thread to go into healthy vs harmful preservatives found in processed foods, just because the FDA approves something, doesn't make it healthy. You'll have to weed throughout the millions of web articles, find some scholarly sites for decent info on additives, many of the chemicals are harmful and cause lasting health issues. Most Nutritionist/Physicians tend to agree.
I have never talked to most nutritionists or physicians and even if I had neither of them are qualified to speak on the subject of "harmful" additives.
Usually the chemicals and additives that are found to be harmful are harmful to rodents quantities that far exceed anything anyone would ever eat. I believe I am safe as long as I do not turn into a rodent that is used as a test subject.
I've seen some weasely looking people. Does that count?
Also, I personally don't have a problem with people not disclosing everything in an initial post. People just don't think about it until others ask questions. (No, I'm not looking in a mirror or anything.)
I do have a pet peeve about anyone dissing processed foods. I ate processed food before I started dieting. I ate processed food while I was dieting. And 125ish lbs later, I still eat processed foods.
And a lot of them because I don't cook.
I would love to try that turkey stick, tho! I wonder if I can find it near me.12 -
springlering62 wrote: »I make homemade naan bread. It’s sort of a PITA (pun intended) but one recipe makes a huge batch and they are about seventy calories apiece. Pull one out of the freezer, slap some tomato paste, pizza spice, a few grams of fresh mozarella and pepperoni and you have a fabulous little personal sized pizza for under 250 calories.
I would find a 4-inch long, roughly 1-inch circumference piece of turkey sausage (70 cals) a lot more filling than a plain piece of naan (70 cals). Comparing the 70-calorie piece of turkey sausage to a 250-calorie piece of naan-based pizza is not a fair comparison.8 -
Almost all of your "healthy" food is processed in one way or another, so it's not true that processed food is high in calorie. That turkey snack is probably quite high in protein, and 70 cals is actually quite reasonable for a snack, unless your calorie goals are very very low.
Label says 6 g of protein in the 70-calorie serving, so roughly equivalent to a whole, large egg. Looks like a good nutrition-to-calorie and satiation-to-calorie bargain to me.12
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