Intermittent fasting
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Usman70lbs wrote: »I understand that it doesn't provide magic but it helps me stay within my calories goal for the day if I have a cut off. It also helps me avoid having unhealthy snacks in the evenings which is when I am most likely to eat things I shouldn't.
Exactly. I figure I gained somewhere between "most" and "all" of my excess weight binging and grazing at night. Getting into IF and slamming the lid shut on nighttime snacking, along with learning to be a little hungry some of the time and just make do without feeding that hunger, as IF trains you to be, was truly an eye-opening experience. IF is the best thing I have ever done for myself. My wife and I have already agreed after 6 months of IF that this is the "forever" plan, regardless of whether we're in losing or maintenance. We really love it as a lifestyle.
That's great to hear. In my experience, unwinding at the end of the day often means a snack or two that's often got sugar. Having your wife on board must be great. I often get asked by my wife if I can have some but over time she has also become supportive of it and actively supports me by putting away the unhealthy foods in the evenings. This has proved to be especially helpful on days where I have low willpower.3 -
I am doing 5:2, although I have found a three day cycle works better for me, Day one eat no more than 600 calories and eat no less than 1500 but up to 2000 on day two and three.
I am currently losing an average of 2 pounds a week, having been doing this for around 3 months now.
And the reason it works for me is that when I restrict what I eat I end up craving and binging but this allows me to eat normally two days out of three making it relatively easy to to control myself just on the fasting day.
On fasting days I do not eat until the evening when I typically have homemade soup with extra veg, crispbreads and a cheese triangles, and later (as there always is a later with me as I am an evening eater) I have a apple and raw carrots.
I do drink a lot on fasting days. Green tea at the start of the day, then on to coffee in the afternoon and sparkling water in the evening with some fruit squash. I also sometimes make a pot of decaff coffee in the evening.
Not for everyone I am sure but I have been fat all my life, a fat child and a fat adult, and have only every managed to lose a decent amount of weigh once, all other attempts falling by the way side due to craving and then binging on bread, cheese and chocolate. But this is working for me.9 -
I do go between the 20:4 and OMAD version of fasting and focus on getting high protein intake during my feeding period. It works for me cause I'm better at controlling over eating doing it this way. Ive been dropping anywhere from a pound to two pounds a week and have been maintaining muscularity while increasing some of my lifts. Needless to say I love it
This is exactly what I am doing also. For the ones doing IF, you need to remember that after fasting for 20 hours plus your blood sugar levels are low. When you eat your first meal with carbohydrates you wil spike your insuline a lot. So dont have carbohydrates with fat. The only days I eat carbohydrates are on heavy lifting days.1 -
CardinalComb wrote: »IF without cutting carbs will be hard. You will crave food all day long.
I'm pretty sure you can do IF and have carbs that edible without any utensils - cutting knives or otherwise - without necessarily having cravings all days long.
At least part of the idea of IF is not eating at times when you don't have cravings - see everyone on MFP that's a de facto IFer because they don't like breakfast. Another part is that by avoiding some meals, stomach responses like ghrelin may be retrained, thus reducing cravings. Usually people that get used to a fast find the liberating thing about it is they stop having or reduce cravings during their window.3 -
This approach has been effective for me as well, similar to other posts. I've lost 20 lbs in six weeks since rebooting my efforts on MFP, roughly following the 16/8 method. One thing I like is that if I miss a day of exercise, I'm still maintaining or slightly losing weight due to the IF method and careful food choices. Most of my cravings are within the 8 hour window, so I try to choose healthy low-cal snacks.1
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CardinalComb wrote: »IF without cutting carbs will be hard. You will crave food all day long.
I completely disagree. I do 16:8 IF and actually have less food cravings. My macro ratios are typically the same as they were before I started IF. Once your body gets used to the eating window you do not have cravings outside of that time period. And I find I typically eat about 400 to 600 calories less each day on IF without really trying to cut that amount. Im simply just not as hungry on IF and get satiated easier with each meal.5 -
So I have been doing 5:2 fasting since January 1. I lost 40 pounds. Down to a size 0 or 2. The best part is that my body has completely changed. Like it dissolves stubborn fat deposits. I don't think I will ever stop.2
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Oh and all of my joint pain is gone from starving the inflamation.4
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I have been IF since July...not for weightloss though. I lost almost all of my weight (54lbs) in August/September. IF has given me more energy and focus, my workouts are better and all my blood work has come back perfect. I still eat pretty much the same amount of calories (I track Macros actually) I did before, may be slightly less, but not by much.0
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I'm currently on IF and ADF with a calorie restricted low-carb diet. It works really well for me, because it's harder to overeat in the tiny eating window. Plus, less meal prep = more time to do other things. IF alone won't make you lose weight, but it's a great tool.1
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CardinalComb wrote: »IF without cutting carbs will be hard. You will crave food all day long.
This wasn't the case for me. I did non-keto OMAD (one meal a day) for a few months and my fasting window was 23/1. I ate a "balanced" diet including carbs and one reasonably portioned dessert every single day. I did not crave food the whole time. If I saw something I wanted to eat, I bought it, but ate it during my OMAD.3 -
So motivated by all this comment. I would really appreciate your comments and suggestions.
I need to loose weight by end of March (about 10 kg), to reach that target it was recommended that i stick to 1200 cal per day. So 7 x 1200 = 8400 calories per week.
I'm thinking of mixing this with intermittent fasting with a mix method
"Regular" day: Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday --> IF 16:8 with calorie count at 1500 cal = 7500 calories
"Real Fasting day": Monday, Thursday --> calorie control at 500 cal per day = 1000 calories
Total 8500 calories per week
I know I'm starting this at the worst time somehow (December month of festivities + 2 weeks of business trips...), but i'm thinking that if can pull that off at the hardest time of the year, it will be easier to become steady from January.
I have a question though regarding the app, i tried to set up those different daily goal in the app, but i couldn't do it. because somehow it's not matching my overall goal ?
Anyone has an idea how to set up in the app?
Thanks in advance1 -
So motivated by all this comment. I would really appreciate your comments and suggestions.
I need to loose weight by end of March (about 10 kg), to reach that target it was recommended that i stick to 1200 cal per day. So 7 x 1200 = 8400 calories per week.
I'm thinking of mixing this with intermittent fasting with a mix method
"Regular" day: Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday --> IF 16:8 with calorie count at 1500 cal = 7500 calories
"Real Fasting day": Monday, Thursday --> calorie control at 500 cal per day = 1000 calories
Total 8500 calories per week
I know I'm starting this at the worst time somehow (December month of festivities + 2 weeks of business trips...), but i'm thinking that if can pull that off at the hardest time of the year, it will be easier to become steady from January.
I have a question though regarding the app, i tried to set up those different daily goal in the app, but i couldn't do it. because somehow it's not matching my overall goal ?
Anyone has an idea how to set up in the app?
Thanks in advance
Well, different approaches work for different people and maybe this will all work for you, but it sounds pretty complex. As someone who has done 16:8 seven days a week for over six months now (and lost 67 pounds doing it), I totally get the interest in IF as a way to diet. But I think mixing that with a 5:2 approach is perhaps not a great idea, or maybe try it for a week but be ready to discard it quickly if you find it depriving. Honestly, just getting in the groove of 16:8 and repeating it consistently takes some self-discipline and determination, and adding onto that two days a week of basically starving yourself is not the easiest way to go about things. You might wanna think about just getting things up and running with 16:8 for a while. Your 1 lb per week weight loss goal as expressed does not require anything as extreme as 500 calorie per day fasts.
As for the 1200 calories, you probably already know that is the rock-bottom minimum, lowest level of calories that is even considered safe, for the smallest, most sedentary possible person. Why did you pick that number? Suggest you make a trip to the MFP Goals tool, set your goal for one pound a week, and eat however many calories it tells you to eat, which will likely be a lot more than 1200 and will lead you straight to your weight loss goal by end of March. Then, with all those additional calories on tap, there will be no reason to starve yourself twice a week, something that sounds doable in theory but in practice leads many people to throw in the towel and binge. Straight-up 16:8 on the other hand is for a lot of people sustainable and successful over time without the starvation/binging problems of 5:2.
By the way, you don't need 16:8 either. Personally, I really like it as a dieting system, but you could just get your calorie figure from the MFP goals tool, and eat those calories however you want, whenever you want.
In a nutshell: I would simplify things a bit if it were me and just focus on the calories for now. I've learned that with dieting, simpler is usually better. The more rules and rigidity, the more onerous and tiresome it becomes and the easier it gets to just walk away from the whole thing. That all said, I do like 16:8 as a way to organize my eating day - basically two big meals instead of three or more smaller ones, and no snacking at night. For me, that works. I think 16:8 is worthy of being tried out, but again, you don't really need it - you can just eat the calories MFP allots you and you will lose the weight.2 -
Can some one please tell me if during your eating window can you eat 1200 calories recommended by MFP? I am planning to start 16:8 . What time should I exercise?0
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I do go between the 20:4 and OMAD version of fasting and focus on getting high protein intake during my feeding period. It works for me cause I'm better at controlling over eating doing it this way. Ive been dropping anywhere from a pound to two pounds a week and have been maintaining muscularity while increasing some of my lifts. Needless to say I love it
This is exactly what I am doing also. For the ones doing IF, you need to remember that after fasting for 20 hours plus your blood sugar levels are low. When you eat your first meal with carbohydrates you wil spike your insuline a lot. So dont have carbohydrates with fat. The only days I eat carbohydrates are on heavy lifting days.
That's not really how healthy bodies work.
Eating fat (or other macros) with high glycemic index (GI) carbs will tend to cause a lower effective GI for the meal/snack, i.e., "slow them down". While fat is the easiest macro to store as fat (because less conversion required, basically), nothing is going to be stored long term if you're in a calorie deficit. No matter what your body burns in the moment, it will make up any reasonable calorie deficit from stored fat within (typically) a period of hours. (It can make up some of an excessive calorie deficit from muscle, but that's just a reason not to cut calories crazy far, lowball protein, etc.)
People with diabetes or prediabetes/insulin resistance may need to worry about insulin levels. It's not a big deal for healthy people, outside a certain segment of the blogosphere.
IF can be a great tool for some people (and a great impediment for others ), but carbs aren't really different in an IF context (though they can be interrelated with appetite signaling for some (with IF or no), and a real issue for people with certain health conditions).6 -
rajikaurbajna wrote: »Can some one please tell me if during your eating window can you eat 1200 calories recommended by MFP? I am planning to start 16:8 . What time should I exercise?
MFP doesn't "recommend" anything. The calorie goal you get is determined by your stats that you enter and the weight loss goal you select. Without knowing your stats, it is impossible to say whether this is a sensible goal for you or not. 1200 calories is the nutritional minimum for women.
That being said, it is fine to do 16/8 and the timing of your exercise is really up to you based on preference and schedule.4 -
I started doing IF long before it got it's term. I m now 65 y/o, but I got on habit to skip my breakfast or even lunch for some 30 year or longer. I don't even remember how many years past since that. It's become very natural and easy when you get in this habit, than you change the length of your fast all the time. I can go without food from 16 hrs thru 100 hrs and doing just fine. My body get used to the feeling of emptiness and take it as pleasure. Feeling of hunger don't bother me at all. The body is so smart, it releases special types of hormones which called sympathetic: adrenaline, nor-adrenaline, growth hormone and many others ( may be around 45 of them). They help our body to release glucose for feeding brain and red blood cells. It also creates ketones which are preferable fuel for muscles, organs and brain. And the best part of these transformations that the building material of the mentioned particles is our body fat. So. go ahead use the IF for weight loss, for feeling your best and for longevity!!!4
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haydee_cruz1 wrote: »U all are very inspiring. Please add me lol. I need accountability partners in this journey. I will continue to give updates as to how i did within the morning and the whole day in general. This helps me keep accountable.
That's the great thing. If IF is right for you then you don't need 'accountability partners' or 'motivation' or anything like that because it will be easy. If you're struggling then that's a sure sign that IF might not be a good fit for you and you should try something new until you find the thing that makes eating in a calorie deficit easy (or as easy as possible).
The one thing I'd like to suggest is that you treat the IF eating window as a suggestion rather than a rule.
A common approach is to eat between 12pm and 8pm (AKA skipping breakfast), however if you should wake up one day and find that you're a bit hungry in the morning, moving some of your calories out of that window and eating them earlier will not matter. Or if you're going out after dinner and you want to have a few drinks after the usual 8pm cut off time, then moving calories out of the window to consume later will not matter.
Since weight loss results from a negative calorie balance, when those calories are consumed is largely irrelevant. IF works because some people find that the restricted eating window makes achieving that calorie deficit easier. But, as long as the calorie consumption remains the same eating outside of that window will not in any way negatively impact your progress.
Misery doesn't burn any extra calories so feeling miserable because you can't enjoy yourself or being uncomfortable because you happen to be hungry outside of your normal eating window won't help, if anything it'll probably work against you.
G'luck6 -
haydee_cruz1 wrote: »U all are very inspiring. Please add me lol. I need accountability partners in this journey. I will continue to give updates as to how i did within the morning and the whole day in general. This helps me keep accountable.
That's the great thing. If IF is right for you then you don't need 'accountability partners' or 'motivation' or anything like that because it will be easy. If you're struggling then that's a sure sign that IF might not be a good fit for you and you should try something new until you find the thing that makes eating in a calorie deficit easy (or as easy as possible).
The one thing I'd like to suggest is that you treat the IF eating window as a suggestion rather than a rule.
A common approach is to eat between 12pm and 8pm (AKA skipping breakfast), however if you should wake up one day and find that you're a bit hungry in the morning, moving some of your calories out of that window and eating them earlier will not matter. Or if you're going out after dinner and you want to have a few drinks after the usual 8pm cut off time, then moving calories out of the window to consume later will not matter.
Since weight loss results from a negative calorie balance, when those calories are consumed is largely irrelevant. IF works because some people find that the restricted eating window makes achieving that calorie deficit easier. But, as long as the calorie consumption remains the same eating outside of that window will not in any way negatively impact your progress.
Misery doesn't burn any extra calories so feeling miserable because you can't enjoy yourself or being uncomfortable because you happen to be hungry outside of your normal eating window won't help, if anything it'll probably work against you.
G'luck
^^^ This, for sure. I do IF except when I don't. It's a great system that works well for me ... unless I'm out with friends after 7 pm and wanna drink and eat. Or if some morning I just feel like having waffles. Or on the occasional day I don't feel like doing IF at all, which admittedly is rare because I do prefer the IF approach most days. The point is, IF is there to make your diet efforts easier, not more difficult and punishing.5 -
Hi all, a friend has showed me the diet he has been following, intermittent fasting on a 16:8 ratio. Never done anything like this before as generally a bit of an evening grazer. Anyone have any pointers that would help out ?0
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