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arizonaj22
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So I'm a huge fan of CICO but when it comes to cheat days, I watch AlwaysHungry and she goes low calorie the day before and fasts the day of a cheat meal/meals.
Is this the way to go? She often trains with Nate Figgs aka her boyfriend FASTED right before the start of her cheat meals. Should i do the same if i want to damage control VIA not restricting during my cheat
Is this the way to go? She often trains with Nate Figgs aka her boyfriend FASTED right before the start of her cheat meals. Should i do the same if i want to damage control VIA not restricting during my cheat
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Why are you watching these people and how exactly are they helping you?
What is the purpose of your cheat meal? What damage are you controlling? What does your training have to do with your eating and what does either have to do with restricting during a cheat. In addition to my general disagreement with the word cheat... how would restricting your cheat make it more or less of a cheat?
Ouch. My head. Hurts!
If you lower your calories the day before a meal you have created a caloric deficit. If you don't eat anything before your meal, you've effectively passed all the calories you've not spent during the day to that one meal. Thus, depending on how you look at it, you've created an extra deficit, or assigned extra calories to the meal.
So far, what you've done is a, generally not recommended, form of calorie banking.
Why not generally recommended? Because going into a large meal extra hungry increases the chances that you're going to over-eat. And increases the probability that you might end up in a restrict/binge cycle.
The fasted workout bit is "interesting".
Obviously if you haven't eaten... and you're going to exercise you will have no choice but to exercise fasted.
Not sure what that's going to accomplish. Some people like exercising fasted. So that's great for them. Anecdotally I've heard many people who have not eaten enough complain that their exercise sucked the next day and a lot of lean people who mention that a well fueled exercise session was awesome!
AFAIK the literature says that there doesn't exist an advantage for exercising fasted, so at this point of time, a person claiming that there is an advantage to exercising fasted would have to carry the burden of proof for me.
Fasted will utilize glycogen. You will drop those carbs and the associated water. Then you're going to have your big meal and rebuild the glycogen stores and store the water again... so not sure what, if anything, will be mitigated or changed.
TL/dr. I don't know why these guys are doing what they're doing. Seems random to me. Other than the fact that they're banking some calories before the meal thus reducing the caloric overage the meal might create.
Instead of banking the calories immediately before the meal, a better plan might include banking them over a longer time period. Assuming banking is even needed or wanted.14 -
Livia (AlwaysHungry) is not a good example of how to eat.
She used to struggle with an eating disorder, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not entirely convinced she's recovered. She's shown what she eats throughout the week before and it honestly just seems like huge volumes of "salad" (packets and packets of various salad leaves with small amounts of sriracha or whatever for flavour), and then gorges on 10-15,000 calories of junk food once a week. The girl is tiny and actually appears to be getting even thinner, which doesn't add up considering the huge food binge she's going on once a week. To be honest, the vast majority of the "Cheat Day" YouTubers are bad examples; eating tens of thousands of calories in one go, once a week, is unhealthy.
I'm gonna second what PAV8888 above has said - if you want to over-indulge one day of the week, sure, bank a few calories (in other words, eat under your calorie goal by maybe 100 calories each day of the week), saving yourself an extra 500-600 ish calories for one special day of the week. There's a few people on this site who this works very well for. I would not recommend having cheat days the same way that Livia/Nate Figgs/Nick Dompierre/any other cheat day YouTuber does. That all-out, 10,000 calorie cheat day will ruin your weight loss journey and leave you heavier than you started.
Also, simply fasting/eating low calorie or working out fasted before a huge cheat day will not offset the damage. That's not how this works.16 -
Livia (AlwaysHungry) is not a good example of how to eat.
She used to struggle with an eating disorder, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not entirely convinced she's recovered. She's shown what she eats throughout the week before and it honestly just seems like huge volumes of "salad" (packets and packets of various salad leaves with small amounts of sriracha or whatever for flavour), and then gorges on 10-15,000 calories of junk food once a week. The girl is tiny and actually appears to be getting even thinner, which doesn't add up considering the huge food binge she's going on once a week. To be honest, the vast majority of the "Cheat Day" YouTubers are bad examples; eating tens of thousands of calories in one go, once a week, is unhealthy.
I'm gonna second what PAV8888 above has said - if you want to over-indulge one day of the week, sure, bank a few calories (in other words, eat under your calorie goal by maybe 100 calories each day of the week), saving yourself an extra 500-600 ish calories for one special day of the week. There's a few people on this site who this works very well for. I would not recommend having cheat days the same way that Livia/Nate Figgs/Nick Dompierre/any other cheat day YouTuber does. That all-out, 10,000 calorie cheat day will ruin your weight loss journey and leave you heavier than you started.
Also, simply fasting/eating low calorie or working out fasted before a huge cheat day will not offset the damage. That's not how this works.
I'm not trying to lose weight though. Just minimizing damage1 -
This seems unneccesarily complicated
If you are planning on some larger meals/ meals not in your usual way of eating - or whatever a cheat meals means to you - then of course you will need to balance that with eating less sometime else.
whether that is eating bit less for a few days beforehand, skipping another meal on day of big meal or whatever.
that's all.
No need for complicated rules and worries about 'damage control' - other than obvious one of not exceeding your calorie allowance by too much overall.
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I personally would not want to model my eating habits after people who perform mukbang for the camera in order to obtain social media clicks that translate into money for them.
They are the last people on the face of this planet who have any concern for (A) abstaining from disordered eating practices, (B) ever acknowledging how what they are doing impacts their health offline until 5-10-15 years from now when that video is/are posted, or, (C), you as the viewer. They will tell you whatever it takes in order to get from you what they want, in this instance viewership.
Engaging in a cycle of fasting and/or excessive levels of exercise every day just to binge is disordered, straight up. There is no "minimizing damage" as the damage is done once you engage in the behavior.9 -
arizonaj22 wrote: »Livia (AlwaysHungry) is not a good example of how to eat.
She used to struggle with an eating disorder, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not entirely convinced she's recovered. She's shown what she eats throughout the week before and it honestly just seems like huge volumes of "salad" (packets and packets of various salad leaves with small amounts of sriracha or whatever for flavour), and then gorges on 10-15,000 calories of junk food once a week. The girl is tiny and actually appears to be getting even thinner, which doesn't add up considering the huge food binge she's going on once a week. To be honest, the vast majority of the "Cheat Day" YouTubers are bad examples; eating tens of thousands of calories in one go, once a week, is unhealthy.
I'm gonna second what PAV8888 above has said - if you want to over-indulge one day of the week, sure, bank a few calories (in other words, eat under your calorie goal by maybe 100 calories each day of the week), saving yourself an extra 500-600 ish calories for one special day of the week. There's a few people on this site who this works very well for. I would not recommend having cheat days the same way that Livia/Nate Figgs/Nick Dompierre/any other cheat day YouTuber does. That all-out, 10,000 calorie cheat day will ruin your weight loss journey and leave you heavier than you started.
Also, simply fasting/eating low calorie or working out fasted before a huge cheat day will not offset the damage. That's not how this works.
I'm not trying to lose weight though. Just minimizing damage
Here's something to consider - cheat days are not mandatory
If you just eat at maintenance, you may no longer feel the need for cheat days.8 -
arizonaj22 wrote: »Livia (AlwaysHungry) is not a good example of how to eat.
She used to struggle with an eating disorder, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not entirely convinced she's recovered. She's shown what she eats throughout the week before and it honestly just seems like huge volumes of "salad" (packets and packets of various salad leaves with small amounts of sriracha or whatever for flavour), and then gorges on 10-15,000 calories of junk food once a week. The girl is tiny and actually appears to be getting even thinner, which doesn't add up considering the huge food binge she's going on once a week. To be honest, the vast majority of the "Cheat Day" YouTubers are bad examples; eating tens of thousands of calories in one go, once a week, is unhealthy.
I'm gonna second what PAV8888 above has said - if you want to over-indulge one day of the week, sure, bank a few calories (in other words, eat under your calorie goal by maybe 100 calories each day of the week), saving yourself an extra 500-600 ish calories for one special day of the week. There's a few people on this site who this works very well for. I would not recommend having cheat days the same way that Livia/Nate Figgs/Nick Dompierre/any other cheat day YouTuber does. That all-out, 10,000 calorie cheat day will ruin your weight loss journey and leave you heavier than you started.
Also, simply fasting/eating low calorie or working out fasted before a huge cheat day will not offset the damage. That's not how this works.
I'm not trying to lose weight though. Just minimizing damage
Ahh, my bad, I shouldn't have just assumed.
Aside from saying "weight loss journey", though, everything else I said still stands.
I can't tell you what to do, that's your choice, but if you're hellbent on having huge cheat days and simply want to know if eating low calorie/fasting the day before or working out fasted before a cheat day will minimise damage, simply put: no, no it won't.2 -
arizonaj22 wrote: »Livia (AlwaysHungry) is not a good example of how to eat.
She used to struggle with an eating disorder, and I'll be honest with you, I'm not entirely convinced she's recovered. She's shown what she eats throughout the week before and it honestly just seems like huge volumes of "salad" (packets and packets of various salad leaves with small amounts of sriracha or whatever for flavour), and then gorges on 10-15,000 calories of junk food once a week. The girl is tiny and actually appears to be getting even thinner, which doesn't add up considering the huge food binge she's going on once a week. To be honest, the vast majority of the "Cheat Day" YouTubers are bad examples; eating tens of thousands of calories in one go, once a week, is unhealthy.
I'm gonna second what PAV8888 above has said - if you want to over-indulge one day of the week, sure, bank a few calories (in other words, eat under your calorie goal by maybe 100 calories each day of the week), saving yourself an extra 500-600 ish calories for one special day of the week. There's a few people on this site who this works very well for. I would not recommend having cheat days the same way that Livia/Nate Figgs/Nick Dompierre/any other cheat day YouTuber does. That all-out, 10,000 calorie cheat day will ruin your weight loss journey and leave you heavier than you started.
Also, simply fasting/eating low calorie or working out fasted before a huge cheat day will not offset the damage. That's not how this works.
I'm not trying to lose weight though. Just minimizing damage
Ahh, my bad, I shouldn't have just assumed.
Aside from saying "weight loss journey", though, everything else I said still stands.
I can't tell you what to do, that's your choice, but if you're hellbent on having huge cheat days and simply want to know if eating low calorie/fasting the day before or working out fasted before a cheat day will minimise damage, simply put: no, no it won't.
Sorry I should have posted it with prior info sorry0 -
Maintenance is all about balancing the number of calories you take in vs the number your body burns. In a normal eating pattern, you'll usually be slightly over some days, slightly under other days. If you want to go signifcantly over maintenance on a regular basis, you'll need a way to balance it out. The way this lady is suggesting is *a* way, but I agree with the others that it's not a particularly good one.
Severe restriction and then severe overeating sounds like textbook binge/restrict cycle of eating which is not usually a healthy way to do it, mentally or physically.
I've been known to like a big meal during my journey, but I find that even eating everything you want, it's pretty hard to go much above 2-3000 calories without really working hard at it, and at that point it's not even enjoyable. So there's no reason in a maintenance calorie cycle, you couldn't work a good big meal in your schedule with some regularity, and balance it in a more measured way such as banking some calories by creating a moderate deficit a couple of days leading up to the meal, or exercising a bit more, etc. It doesn't have to be boom or bust.
The problem with YouTube fitness is that preaching sensible, moderate approaches doesn't exactly earn a whole lot of views. So people are incenrivized to publish outlandish things, even if they are not beneficial for them or you.5 -
I wouldn't follow anybody eating patterns. Just adjust your diet according! I definitely believe in CICO! If you must have cheated days to balance out weekly goals then your not dieting smart. 2 Me there's no cheat day * just enjoy all the foods you like in moderation and your food patterns will balance whether you are in maintenance or still losing... I wouldn't eat less on my workout days by far no means* u need to up protein and carbs for energy and keeping muscle mass.Just friendly advice; I hope your supplementing additives to your diet to meet all macros. Just think healthy in the long overall picture...1
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As someone on this journey for a very long time, my nugget of wisdom is that you need to discover what works and feels good for your body. I was once a personal trainer and I saw how something that works for one person often will not work in the same way -- or sometimes at all -- for another. We all have so many differences, ranging from lifestyle, to chemical makeup, to DNA, to stress, to sleep, to our emotional bodies, and so much more.
Discovering what feels good and works takes time..and sometimes shifts and you have to go back to the drawing board. Don't be afraid to experiment and discover. Learn your body. That is my best advice for the weight loss journey.0
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