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Has anyone read the china study? What did you think?
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I haven't read the book, but I watched the movie 'Forks Over Knives' on Netflix, and they mentioned that study. It was interesting to say the least.1
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I’m reading The China Study now (Dec. 2019). It was recommended to me by a nutrition / health & fitness expert & my dietician. Very persuasive evidence to go WFPB. (Whole Food Plant Based). Disturbing facts about how the “nutrition experts” sold out to big corporate dairy & meat councils & have actively been deceiving the public about cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other western diseases of affluence.
I recently dropped The keto diet after 2 years. In the last 2 months of being mostly WFPB, I’ve regained my sleep and no longer have restless leg syndrome. Super huge for me as I’ve had insomnia for years.
Another great movie besides “Forks Over Knives” is “The Game changers” available on Netflix. Must watch!!12 -
Agree, I’m not an expert & am willing to go with your “entertainment value” assessment of The China Study. I admit to being intrigued & even motivated to explore WFPB after watching “The Game Changers” (Netflix) & “Forks Over Knives” & now almost finished reading The China Study. It’s probably wise to consider all research with a skeptical eye. Thank you for that reminder.
I plan on using my own personal results for data on a 1-2 year experiment w/ mostly whole foods plant based eating. I did a pretty thorough blood panel w an NMR profile a few months ago to reassess how keto eating was landing in my body. I saw that I was losing ground each year of keto (I wasn’t a perfect follower admittedly) I did a full blood panel / NMR at the beginning of my keto diet experiment 2 yrs ago & another a year later & 2 years later (now), and will do another one in a year after WFPB.
So, rather than being over zealous or religious about WFPB, I’m just going to see how it lands in my body. Open mind, honest inquiry. So far the results are very positive: I’m sleeping again & no more insomnia or Restless Leg Syndrome. I call that a good start.
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Has anyone read the china study? What did you think?
The biggest problem with 'The China Study' is that the author cherry-picked the data that he used in the book (throwing out all of the data that didn't support his WFPB conclusion). There are several reports on the webs that show that when you actually include ALL of the data that he collected, the results do not support the conclusions written in the book.
Also, the reason that the author self-published the results of his 'study' was that he couldn't get it past any of the major peer-reviewed publishers (which should tell you a whole lot about the work).27 -
I haven't bought it yet as im reading dr barnard and plan to read dr Mcdougall next. Heres what i know..from using common sense. There will always be a study for or against something. Always. Past, present or both. People will use every trick in the book. And i cant speak for everyone however i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits. I also know that i am morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetic..aka: walking, talking death time bomb. I started in july, with a few slip ups with cheese and chocolate and vegan junk food. I am almost at 50 lbs lost, my cholesterol is still high but dropped to 202, my triglycerides were EXTREME and dropped over 200 pts, my fatigue rarely hits, depression is markedly improved, and my a1c went from 9.7 to 6.3 and i have stopped my metformin and insulin and i am only on one medication right now. The truth is, i thought i had done my research, but i hadnt. All im saying is you dont realize how sick you are or ( if you're not sick) how much better you feel until you eat what you were meant to eat and then eat junk. The detox lessens quickly for many..the cravings, headaches, whatever it is..lessen. plenty of peer reviewed studies and data out there to search. And plenty of evidence its correct. 💜thats my 2 cents.6
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just_Tomek wrote: »I’m reading The China Study now (Dec. 2019). It was recommended to me by a nutrition / health & fitness expert & my dietician. Very persuasive evidence to go WFPB. (Whole Food Plant Based). Disturbing facts about how the “nutrition experts” sold out to big corporate dairy & meat councils & have actively been deceiving the public about cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and other western diseases of affluence.
I recently dropped The keto diet after 2 years. In the last 2 months of being mostly WFPB, I’ve regained my sleep and no longer have restless leg syndrome. Super huge for me as I’ve had insomnia for years.
Another great movie besides “Forks Over Knives” is “The Game changers” available on Netflix. Must watch!!
Nope.
Eating more plants... nothing wrong with that. No one is going to disagree you with you here. But those documentaries and "study" being educational? Yea.......... Nope.
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Has anyone read the china study? What did you think?
The biggest problem with 'The China Study' is that the author cherry-picked the data that he used in the book (throwing out all of the data that didn't support his WFPB conclusion). There are several reports on the webs that show that when you actually include ALL of the data that he collected, the results do not support the conclusions written in the book.
Also, the reason that the author self-published the results of his 'study' was that he couldn't get it past any of the major peer-reviewed publishers (which should tell you a whole lot about the work).
Self-published science...2 -
MelanieCN77 wrote: »Has anyone read the china study? What did you think?
The biggest problem with 'The China Study' is that the author cherry-picked the data that he used in the book (throwing out all of the data that didn't support his WFPB conclusion). There are several reports on the webs that show that when you actually include ALL of the data that he collected, the results do not support the conclusions written in the book.
Also, the reason that the author self-published the results of his 'study' was that he couldn't get it past any of the major peer-reviewed publishers (which should tell you a whole lot about the work).
Self-published science...
And even using the word 'science' in this context is being generous.
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lovejulez03 wrote: »I haven't bought it yet as im reading dr barnard and plan to read dr Mcdougall next. Heres what i know..from using common sense. There will always be a study for or against something. Always. Past, present or both. People will use every trick in the book. And i cant speak for everyone however i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits. I also know that i am morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetic..aka: walking, talking death time bomb. I started in july, with a few slip ups with cheese and chocolate and vegan junk food. I am almost at 50 lbs lost, my cholesterol is still high but dropped to 202, my triglycerides were EXTREME and dropped over 200 pts, my fatigue rarely hits, depression is markedly improved, and my a1c went from 9.7 to 6.3 and i have stopped my metformin and insulin and i am only on one medication right now. The truth is, i thought i had done my research, but i hadnt. All im saying is you dont realize how sick you are or ( if you're not sick) how much better you feel until you eat what you were meant to eat and then eat junk. The detox lessens quickly for many..the cravings, headaches, whatever it is..lessen. plenty of peer reviewed studies and data out there to search. And plenty of evidence its correct. 💜thats my 2 cents.
Gave exactly what a try? Eating whole foods plant-based?
I was mostly vegetarian for three years when I lived at vegetarian yoga centers and got dangerously anemic.
I was mostly plant-based for 6 weeks in Costa Rica and while I did lose weight, that was because I was eating much more low calorie dense foods than I usually do, my food options were severely limited, and I was active.
I could easily construct a plant-based way of eating for people looking to gain weight.6 -
I gave it a try and didn't see any benefits, but I was already eating a basically whole foods nutrition-conscious diet at the time. I felt fine eating that way, but not better than when I'm eating well and including some fish, other meat, eggs, and dairy.
For weight loss I personally found that I ate somewhat more meat than usual since I find it really filling for the cals. (I also ate lots of veg, etc.)3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »lovejulez03 wrote: »I haven't bought it yet as im reading dr barnard and plan to read dr Mcdougall next. Heres what i know..from using common sense. There will always be a study for or against something. Always. Past, present or both. People will use every trick in the book. And i cant speak for everyone however i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits. I also know that i am morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetic..aka: walking, talking death time bomb. I started in july, with a few slip ups with cheese and chocolate and vegan junk food. I am almost at 50 lbs lost, my cholesterol is still high but dropped to 202, my triglycerides were EXTREME and dropped over 200 pts, my fatigue rarely hits, depression is markedly improved, and my a1c went from 9.7 to 6.3 and i have stopped my metformin and insulin and i am only on one medication right now. The truth is, i thought i had done my research, but i hadnt. All im saying is you dont realize how sick you are or ( if you're not sick) how much better you feel until you eat what you were meant to eat and then eat junk. The detox lessens quickly for many..the cravings, headaches, whatever it is..lessen. plenty of peer reviewed studies and data out there to search. And plenty of evidence its correct. 💜thats my 2 cents.
Gave exactly what a try? Eating whole foods plant-based?
I was mostly vegetarian for three years when I lived at vegetarian yoga centers and got dangerously anemic.
I was mostly plant-based for 6 weeks in Costa Rica and while I did lose weight, that was because I was eating much more low calorie dense foods than I usually do, my food options were severely limited, and I was active.
I could easily construct a plant-based way of eating for people looking to gain weight.
Im sorry that you had that bad experience. I can understand your apprehension. I believe that those that eat meat (especially those that have troed wfpb and went back to meat) can be open minded enough to understand why others find it beneficial. I grew up vegetarian, stopped at age 17, and now at 34 have went wfpb.4 -
I gave it a try and didn't see any benefits, but I was already eating a basically whole foods nutrition-conscious diet at the time. I felt fine eating that way, but not better than when I'm eating well and including some fish, other meat, eggs, and dairy.
For weight loss I personally found that I ate somewhat more meat than usual since I find it really filling for the cals. (I also ate lots of veg, etc.)
I'm sorry you've also had bad experiences. Everyone has their own opinion and experiences.2 -
lovejulez03 wrote: »I gave it a try and didn't see any benefits, but I was already eating a basically whole foods nutrition-conscious diet at the time. I felt fine eating that way, but not better than when I'm eating well and including some fish, other meat, eggs, and dairy.
For weight loss I personally found that I ate somewhat more meat than usual since I find it really filling for the cals. (I also ate lots of veg, etc.)
I'm sorry you've also had bad experiences. Everyone has their own opinion and experiences.
Not sure what I said that suggested a bad experience.8 -
I've been plant based since August, I quite like it. I do supplement with a B vitamin and am thoughtful about the makeup of my diet as a whole. It wasn't in response to this study or a documentary or anything like that, it came from a friend trying it for a month and I tagged along, and then long memory of how I wanted to go veggie as a teen (didn't we all? ha). More than any environmental or ethical considerations, I find it more convenient as veg keeps better than meat and frozen veg options please my palate more than meat on a personal level. I also find it is currently putting variety into my diet in an of itself.6 -
MelanieCN77 wrote: »I've been plant based since August, I quite like it. I do supplement with a B vitamin and am thoughtful about the makeup of my diet as a whole. It wasn't in response to this study or a documentary or anything like that, it came from a friend trying it for a month and I tagged along, and then long memory of how I wanted to go veggie as a teen (didn't we all? ha). More than any environmental or ethical considerations, I find it more convenient as veg keeps better than meat and frozen veg options please my palate more than meat on a personal level. I also find it is currently putting variety into my diet in an of itself.
If steak counts as concentrated salad... I'm definitely plant based! 😉5 -
Why are we arguing a thread from nearly EIGHT YEARS AGO????
@Julbarr
- very strange that you would bump an eight year old thread with such a lot of bad "documentaries." Maybe by seeing how many people disagreed will help you. I hope so.
Forks Over Knives...another 2011 film that we discussed ad infinitum in . . .2011. As far as Netflix goes that one wasn't too bad. But it was still woo-ey.
Protip: If it's featured on Netflix, it has an agenda that is far far far left. Not that I mind left leaning. Just it gets old watching the ridiculous bias and cherry picking and zealots that Netflix fakeumentaries exhibit.
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lovejulez03 wrote: »I gave it a try and didn't see any benefits, but I was already eating a basically whole foods nutrition-conscious diet at the time. I felt fine eating that way, but not better than when I'm eating well and including some fish, other meat, eggs, and dairy.
For weight loss I personally found that I ate somewhat more meat than usual since I find it really filling for the cals. (I also ate lots of veg, etc.)
I'm sorry you've also had bad experiences. Everyone has their own opinion and experiences.lovejulez03 wrote: »I gave it a try and didn't see any benefits, but I was already eating a basically whole foods nutrition-conscious diet at the time. I felt fine eating that way, but not better than when I'm eating well and including some fish, other meat, eggs, and dairy.
For weight loss I personally found that I ate somewhat more meat than usual since I find it really filling for the cals. (I also ate lots of veg, etc.)
I'm sorry you've also had bad experiences. Everyone has their own opinion and experiences.
Nobody said they had a bad experience. They only stated that it was not their preference. WFPB is not the only healthy way to eat. The China Study is cherry picked info to suit an agenda. False science, as evidenced by the fact that it didn't qualify for peer review.7 -
lovejulez03 wrote: »I haven't bought it yet as im reading dr barnard and plan to read dr Mcdougall next. Heres what i know..from using common sense. There will always be a study for or against something. Always. Past, present or both. People will use every trick in the book. And i cant speak for everyone however i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits. I also know that i am morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetic..aka: walking, talking death time bomb. I started in july, with a few slip ups with cheese and chocolate and vegan junk food. I am almost at 50 lbs lost, my cholesterol is still high but dropped to 202, my triglycerides were EXTREME and dropped over 200 pts, my fatigue rarely hits, depression is markedly improved, and my a1c went from 9.7 to 6.3 and i have stopped my metformin and insulin and i am only on one medication right now. The truth is, i thought i had done my research, but i hadnt. All im saying is you dont realize how sick you are or ( if you're not sick) how much better you feel until you eat what you were meant to eat and then eat junk. The detox lessens quickly for many..the cravings, headaches, whatever it is..lessen. plenty of peer reviewed studies and data out there to search. And plenty of evidence its correct. 💜thats my 2 cents.
And that's why a single study is NEVER used to form a theory in real science. That only happens in the evening news and when someone wants to sell you their version of the truth. It is also a common response when others point out the flaws in someone's belief.
Congrats on your progress. I hope you can keep this up for life (that's the goal, not some BS fad diet to lose 50 pounds).4 -
I appear to have a disagree stalker.6
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lovejulez03 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »lovejulez03 wrote: »I haven't bought it yet as im reading dr barnard and plan to read dr Mcdougall next. Heres what i know..from using common sense. There will always be a study for or against something. Always. Past, present or both. People will use every trick in the book. And i cant speak for everyone however i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits. I also know that i am morbidly obese, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, diabetic..aka: walking, talking death time bomb. I started in july, with a few slip ups with cheese and chocolate and vegan junk food. I am almost at 50 lbs lost, my cholesterol is still high but dropped to 202, my triglycerides were EXTREME and dropped over 200 pts, my fatigue rarely hits, depression is markedly improved, and my a1c went from 9.7 to 6.3 and i have stopped my metformin and insulin and i am only on one medication right now. The truth is, i thought i had done my research, but i hadnt. All im saying is you dont realize how sick you are or ( if you're not sick) how much better you feel until you eat what you were meant to eat and then eat junk. The detox lessens quickly for many..the cravings, headaches, whatever it is..lessen. plenty of peer reviewed studies and data out there to search. And plenty of evidence its correct. 💜thats my 2 cents.
Gave exactly what a try? Eating whole foods plant-based?
I was mostly vegetarian for three years when I lived at vegetarian yoga centers and got dangerously anemic.
I was mostly plant-based for 6 weeks in Costa Rica and while I did lose weight, that was because I was eating much more low calorie dense foods than I usually do, my food options were severely limited, and I was active.
I could easily construct a plant-based way of eating for people looking to gain weight.
Im sorry that you had that bad experience. I can understand your apprehension. I believe that those that eat meat (especially those that have troed wfpb and went back to meat) can be open minded enough to understand why others find it beneficial. I grew up vegetarian, stopped at age 17, and now at 34 have went wfpb.
Oh, there is no doubt in my mind at all that some people find it beneficial. I was pushing back against your "i have yet to talk to someone who honestly gave it a try and didnt see any benefits" which indicated that everyone will find it beneficial.7
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