Fake Food: The Billion Dollar Business of Food Fraud
kshama2001
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I heard part of this on the radio yesterday and found it very interesting. He made a good point about food safety regulations not doing much, if anything, to protect against food fraud.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fake-food-the-billion-dollar-business-of-food-fraud/id1158889592?i=1000460903515
From shredded cardboard in Parmesan cheese to strawberry leaves in a jar of oregano, everything in your kitchen merits a second look, warns food detective Chris Elliot. This week on Milk Street Radio, the investigator who uncovered the United Kingdom’s horse meat scandal details just how rampant food fraud is around the world and how he combats it, one “food fingerprint” at a time. You didn’t really think there was coconut in that coconut water, did you?
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fake-food-the-billion-dollar-business-of-food-fraud/id1158889592?i=1000460903515
From shredded cardboard in Parmesan cheese to strawberry leaves in a jar of oregano, everything in your kitchen merits a second look, warns food detective Chris Elliot. This week on Milk Street Radio, the investigator who uncovered the United Kingdom’s horse meat scandal details just how rampant food fraud is around the world and how he combats it, one “food fingerprint” at a time. You didn’t really think there was coconut in that coconut water, did you?
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:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
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Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......9 -
Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
Luckily for you, information about the producers is easily available online. https://www.177milkstreet.com/radio
Christopher Kimball's agenda appears to be instruction in food preparation.8 -
Great.. now I am going to have to move to a cave in the woods and live on a steady diet of acorns and and wild berries. Atleast I will know they are all natural! 😜9
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Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.1 -
psychod787 wrote: »Great.. now I am going to have to move to a cave in the woods and live on a steady diet of acorns and and wild berries. At least I will know they are all natural! 😜
@psychod787 yeah but the wildlife creatures have been pooping and peeing on them. At least it's natural poop and pee
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Great.. now I am going to have to move to a cave in the woods and live on a steady diet of acorns and and wild berries. At least I will know they are all natural! 😜
@psychod787 yeah but the wildlife creatures have been pooping and peeing on them. At least it's natural poop and pee
It's just "organic"... all the hipsters pay extra for that! Lol6 -
Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.1 -
As was said, it's Christopher Kimball's podcast. Given his extensive experience with developing, testing, and publishing recipes he probably has more training and expertise in food safety than most people here (liability and all that...). Given his decades of experience in the cooking publishing industry andthe companies he's founded, I suspect he a. has a lot of knowledge on the questions that his readership/listenership tends to have and b. is pretty invested in educating his consumers. I suspect he has more expertise in publishing than TV production, but that's not a hill I'm willing to die on.Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
The interviewee in question is Chris Elliott. Presumably Kimball and/or other people at Milk Street (Kimble's current venture, there's information on his break from America's Test Kitchen on the NYTimes' website) came up with the idea for Elliot to do a segment on the podcast.
Christopher Kimball: one of the producers (which was what the question I answered was about)
Chris Elliott: a person who was interviewed on the episode in question - not a producer of the podcast5 -
cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing, but what I did hear was not from a "This is going to kill you / Consumer Protection" angle, but a Consumer Awareness angle. Maybe there was something in conclusion about what a consumer should do.
I did find the adulterated oregano bit very ironic
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kshama2001 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing, but what I did hear was not from a "This is going to kill you / Consumer Protection" angle, but a Consumer Awareness angle. Maybe there was something in conclusion about what a consumer should do.
I did find the adulterated oregano bit very ironic
Oh, I know. You say oregano I say strawberry leaves. Of course that isn't going to hurt anyone.
I just don't need any more crap "issues" in my head. If anyone r e a l l y thinks the food they eat is perfectly grown and perfectly packaged and all the little labels are 100% correct, and no one is trying to cheat you (intentionally or not) then they are still nine years old and/or I have a bridge to sell them. I mean the danged thing has "FOOD FRAUD" in the title forchrissakes. Extreme fear mongering, much?
I don't know, I just don't care. I have a neighbor who probably weighs very close to 400 pounds, but she will argue vehemently with you all day long about buying locally grown organic foods ONLY because you know where they came from and what's in them. Or do you?what a consumer should do.
Missing the elephant in the room?
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janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
I wasn't able to listen to the whole thing, but what I did hear was not from a "This is going to kill you / Consumer Protection" angle, but a Consumer Awareness angle. Maybe there was something in conclusion about what a consumer should do.
I did find the adulterated oregano bit very ironic
Back in the 80's there was a local band here in Central PA called "Nothing But Oregano".
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extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
You smoke the Devil's Lettuce???😟 How can I trust you now? 🤔 lol1 -
psychod787 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
You smoke the Devil's Lettuce???😟 How can I trust you now? 🤔 lol
Oh, nononononono. None of that! But I was young at one point...and that was the 70s in Florida. Perhaps you know the history of your fine state?1 -
extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
The question was literally who is the producer and what is their agenda. I'm doing them the courtesy to assume they said what they meant, although they can always correct me.
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extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.1 -
extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.0 -
cmriverside wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
You smoke the Devil's Lettuce???😟 How can I trust you now? 🤔 lol
Oh, nononononono. None of that! But I was young at one point...and that was the 70s in Florida. Perhaps you know the history of your fine state?
Well you mean outside of screwing up elections, corruption, and having more armed militias than Michigan? If you happened to be in North Florida in the 70's and imbibed a type of lettuce called. Gainesville Green, you might have had some lettuce grown by my uncle... lol2 -
extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I don't think it would refer to the guest at all. That's what I was explaining to extra_medium.0 -
psychod787 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »:ohnoes:
Not gonna listen to that one.
Do we really need to find something else in the food chain to worry about? I'm still alive against all odds considering what I've done to my body. I call it good genes or luck.
I remember back in the day when we worried about our pot being mixed with oregano. Now you're telling me we might have smoked strawberry leaves? The. Horror.
You smoke the Devil's Lettuce???😟 How can I trust you now? 🤔 lol
Oh, nononononono. None of that! But I was young at one point...and that was the 70s in Florida. Perhaps you know the history of your fine state?
Well you mean outside of screwing up elections, corruption, and having more armed militias than Michigan? If you happened to be in North Florida in the 70's and imbibed a type of lettuce called. Gainesville Green, you might have had some lettuce grown by my uncle... lol
I lived in Gainesville for a while in the '70s, but was more in my milk and juice boxes stage of life (although I think it was pre-juice box), so no lettuce for me!2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
Most podcast hosts will get guests that share their own agendas/thoughts in my experience.0 -
I like me fake cardboard Parmesan cheese even if it’s half wood shavings. It bulks up my meal and is comfort food to me.3
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
Chris Elliot? He's the guy under the seats! (super old reference)4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
Most podcast hosts will get guests that share their own agendas/thoughts in my experience.
Many of them do, but I think this is different than saying that guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
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janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
but the guests are chosen by the producers. so again the producers are the ones with an agenda1 -
nighthazel01 wrote: »I like me fake cardboard Parmesan cheese even if it’s half wood shavings. It bulks up my meal and is comfort food to me.
Necessary roughage.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda? Two things I always ask myself before listening or watching food related documentaries.
You will always find an agenda......
And in case you wanted more information about Christopher Kimball, there's copious amounts of it online. He's a well known name in terms of US cooking instruction. Not as well known as say, Julia Child, but that's a pretty high bar.
Is it Chris Kimball or Chris Elliot? Chris Kimball is a chef and tV producer with no real training in food safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Kimball
Chris Elliot is Professor of Food Safety at Queen's University Belfast and founder of the Institute for Global Food Security so an actual scientist. May still have an agenda, but also has some education in the field under discussion.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Elliott_(food_scientist)
It's Christopher Kimball's podcast, which is why he was brought up when someone inquired about who produced the podcast and what their agenda was.
safe to assume he meant the guest, as he'd be the one with the agenda worth questioning in this case. the producer of the podcast's agenda is getting downloads and making money with his podcast
Given that publishers and producers can and (perhaps often) do have motives outside of making a profit, it doesn't seem safe to assume that the question "Who produced this podcast and what is their agenda?" referred to the guest. Especially since guests don't typically produce the podcasts that they're being guest interviewed on.
why would it refer to the guest. the producers are the ones who picked them. they are the ones who decide the format. the guests are interchangeable and really don't matter.
I think this depends on the individual podcast. On some podcasts, the guests very much matter, as the podcast serves more as a forum for them to share their views. Depending on the host, there may or may not be very much pushback.
I can't speak to this show, as I've never listened to it, but just based on the description of the show, it does sound like this show is serving as a forum for this particular guest to share his research and warnings about potential food fraud.
but the guests are chosen by the producers. so again the producers are the ones with an agenda
Yes, but it's your assumption that the agenda is nefarious or somehow inappropriate.
It could be that their agenda is "Let's help people understand more about food supplies and how they may not be buying exactly what they think they are."
If you're going to automatically distrust anyone who wants to communicate anything to you, then you're sealing yourself off into a bubble. I think it's more useful to be aware that people have various agendas when they wish to communicate with us. Some of them are manipulative, some of them are trying to share information they think is useful or helpful.
You have an agenda in your comments right now, I have an agenda in mine. That someone has an agenda isn't cause for a preemptive objection. Since we all have agendas, it's a meaningless datapoint without actual evidence that someone is wrong or being misleading.
In all seriousness, what do you really think Christopher Kimball is trying to do here that is wrong?2
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