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summerbrooker93
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Does apple cider vinegar actually work
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ACV
Proven uses:
1. Hair rinse to make hair soft and shiny (dilute 1:10 with water)
2. Fruit fly trap (dilute with water and add 1 drop of dish detergent to kill water surface tension)
3. Reflux help for people with too high stomach pH. People with too low stomach pH will suffer extra when taking vinegar.
4. Skin tonic (dilute 1:10 with water)
5. Salad dressing (extra yummy with olive oil)
6. Pulled porc
7. Diabetics: it might help stabilize blood sugars when ingested with meals (further study needed)
No use for:
1. Weight loss
2. Weight loss
3. Weight loss22 -
For catching fruit flies, yes.
For weight loss, no.9 -
Also, food isn't toxic.12
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NorthCascades wrote: »Also, food isn't toxic.
(Fittingly, this stuff has twice been found to have unsafe levels of lead.)4 -
Your body doesn't need a detox. It has kidneys and a liver to do that for you without ACV or the likes. In the worst-case scenario, your kidneys or liver could stop functioning properly and if this is the case you need ER and a doctor instead. If you like the taste of ACV then consume if, if not give it the flick.9
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debrakgoogins wrote: »ACV
Proven uses:
1. Hair rinse to make hair soft and shiny (dilute 1:10 with water)
2. Fruit fly trap (dilute with water and add 1 drop of dish detergent to kill water surface tension)
3. Reflux help for people with too high stomach pH. People with too low stomach pH will suffer extra when taking vinegar.
4. Skin tonic (dilute 1:10 with water)
5. Salad dressing (extra yummy with olive oil)
6. Pulled porc
7. Diabetics: it might help stabilize blood sugars when ingested with meals (further study needed)
No use for:
1. Weight loss
2. Weight loss
3. Weight loss
I use it to make chorizo and pickles!8 -
ACV is a much better detox than pretty much all of the other commercially available detoxes . . . .
. . . because it's relatively inexpensive. None of them actually detox your body, including ACV; but most of the others lighten your wallet a whole bunch more than ACV does.
OP, I drank raw apple cider vinegar daily for weeks at a time while losing weight (for unrelated reasons), and didn't drink any for other weeks at a time. There was zero difference to weight loss rate, and no observable difference in appetite or "toxicity".
Eat nutritiously, don't abuse recreational drugs/alcohol, get reasonable amounts of exercise, hydrate adequately (not crazy much), and work gradually toward a healthy weight, if you're not there yet. That gives your liver and kidneys the best job of doing their "detoxing" job. Anything else is a waste of money and energy, for an otherwise averagely healthy person (i.e., one who doesn't need to be in a hospital bed immediately).8 -
Ann I wonder if that is why ACV has become such a popular thing - cheap to buy, readily available, no nasty side effects like diahhroea during the 'detox'
But tastes nasty and is not something people regularly use so seems special enough to be a new weight loss thing.
As opposed to, say, tomato ketchup - also cheap, reafily available, no side effects - but doesn't taste 'detoxxy' and people use regularly already so they know it doesn't make you lose weight.
Trick to creating a successful detox myth, perhaps.
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paperpudding wrote: »Ann I wonder if that is why ACV has become such a popular thing - cheap to buy, readily available, no nasty side effects like diahhroea during the 'detox'
But tastes nasty and is not something people regularly use so seems special enough to be a new weight loss thing.
As opposed to, say, tomato ketchup - also cheap, reafily available, no side effects - but doesn't taste 'detoxxy' and people use regularly already so they know it doesn't make you lose weight.
Trick to creating a successful detox myth, perhaps.
Welllll . . . I actually like the way it tastes, personally. I even have a type of ACV that's spiced and lightly sweetened, that's used as an ingredient in cocktails
(no, that's not the one I was drinking daily 
).
I love ketchup, too - love almost all vinegar-y things, really. But ketchup has a downside: It's got the Dreaded Added Sugarzzz, so it can't possibly be a detox. Speaking as someone who, when she eats ketchup, eats at least half a cup of the stuff at a time, it's pretty darned caloric, especially for a vegetable. 
It definitely doesn't help me lose weight, especially when you count the fried potatoes or deep-fried (whatever) that I'm probably eating with it.
I think the "magic" is perhaps the research and mystification around the blood sugar effects (it's an anti-Sugarzzz detox! Yay!), and maybe the current trendiness of probiotics (effect of "the mother", which is just the live-culture stuff it takes to make vinegar be vinegar). I also think a certain manufacturer has probably done what they can to enhance its mystical alt-health aura, within the limits of potential FDA reaction, at least in the US.
Personally, I was seeing whether I thought it helped my digestive system (history of IBS-C), and considering it as a source of probiotics that people have been safely consuming for centuries. I believe there's no sound science yet around probiotic foods, though some hints that a diverse microbiome tends to correlate with health, so I think of traditionally-consumed probiotic foods as a tasty (to me) bet-hedge. (If I didn't enjoy them, I'd skip them. I haven't found a kombucha I like, for example, so I skip it.)3 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Also, food isn't toxic.
Except in the rare case when it is. I’m currently having food poisoning, and while this is certainly a detox in a sense that my body is busy at work eliminating everything, including the toxins that caused this food poisoning, there is nothing fun about this. I just lost 4lbs overnight due to everything leaving my digestive track with violence, but I would have honestly preferred keeping those 4lbs inside, gone to the gym today and just sweat it out in the traditional way.
I just consulted a doctor I’m friends with and if this doesn’t ease up in a few hours I have to go seek medical attention for dehydration. Detoxes, whether planned or unintentional, are not fun.9 -
@hipari, I hope you are well by now.
Speaking of Detox, I am on heavy dose of Antibiotics (today is day 2 and I have 3 more) due to a cellulitis and earlier this year, I had an ear infection and I had to take a different kind of antibiotics for 5 days.
So that being said, I need to detox after I am done.
The meds makes me feel icky, nauseous and just not good in general.
I know it messes up your gut bacteria so probiotics are recommended. What else can I do to detox? You guys seem to be knowledgeable. Thanks! (I like ACV dressing; Yum!)3 -
weatherking2019 wrote: »@hipari, I hope you are well by now.
Speaking of Detox, I am on heavy dose of Antibiotics (today is day 2 and I have 3 more) due to a cellulitis and earlier this year, I had an ear infection and I had to take a different kind of antibiotics for 5 days.
So that being said, I need to detox after I am done.
The meds makes me feel icky, nauseous and just not good in general.
I know it messes up your gut bacteria so probiotics are recommended. What else can I do to detox? You guys seem to be knowledgeable. Thanks! (I like ACV dressing; Yum!)
Probiotics are a good idea. As to detoxing, what, exactly do you feel the need to detox *from?* The antibiotics? They aren't toxic. In fact, they appear to have been much needed and very beneficial to you. 11 -
weatherking2019 wrote: »@hipari, I hope you are well by now.
Speaking of Detox, I am on heavy dose of Antibiotics (today is day 2 and I have 3 more) due to a cellulitis and earlier this year, I had an ear infection and I had to take a different kind of antibiotics for 5 days.
So that being said, I need to detox after I am done.
The meds makes me feel icky, nauseous and just not good in general.
I know it messes up your gut bacteria so probiotics are recommended. What else can I do to detox? You guys seem to be knowledgeable. Thanks! (I like ACV dressing; Yum!)
You don't need to "detox" after antibiotics...they are not toxic.
However, heavy antibiotics can kill off some of the "good" microbes in your digestive system. Eating food with active cultures, such as yogurt, can help restore this balance.9 -
@snickerscharlie , @SuzySunshine99 , THANKS! I thought after taking so much meds, I needed to detox!
Good to know I just need to "restore" my gut. I will be eating yogurt and bone broth to heal!4 -
weatherking2019 wrote: »@snickerscharlie , @SuzySunshine99 , THANKS! I thought after taking so much meds, I needed to detox!
Good to know I just need to "restore" my gut. I will be eating yogurt and bone broth to heal!
For future reference, the only time someone needs to "detox" is if they ate poison, overdosed on medication or illegal drugs, or are stopping alcohol after a long period of time of heavy drinking (years, not days). All of these need medical supervision.10 -
weatherking2019 wrote: »@snickerscharlie , @SuzySunshine99 , THANKS! I thought after taking so much meds, I needed to detox!
Good to know I just need to "restore" my gut. I will be eating yogurt and bone broth to heal!
The yogurt is a good idea. The bone broth? Not necessary. It's just soup base. Which is delicious but has no other benefits.
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*sigh* I wish I could get my best friend to accept this. She insists that since she has been diagnosed as being insulin resistant/borderline diabetic and has fatty liver, that she must "detox" her liver and takes all sorts of herbal suppliments that are supposed to help. She also swears that sugar is "poison" to her because of her fatty liver. No amount of research will sway her; she gets her news and information from obscure internet sources and doesn't trust anything mainline because of the "money trail". Unfortunately, that leaves her wide open for these sorts of things.
And I had a co-worker ask me just yesterday about probiotics and prebiotics and gut flora as he had just seen a video from some Dr. so and so who back in the 80's started discovering these sorts of things and how we can used food to heal "leaky gut" syndrome. The poor guy made me think of "gale" on here.......
And people wonder why I'm a skeptic!14 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I wish I could get my best friend to accept this. She insists that since she has been diagnosed as being insulin resistant/borderline diabetic and has fatty liver, that she must "detox" her liver and takes all sorts of herbal suppliments that are supposed to help. She also swears that sugar is "poison" to her because of her fatty liver. No amount of research will sway her; she gets her news and information from obscure internet sources and doesn't trust anything mainline because of the "money trail". Unfortunately, that leaves her wide open for these sorts of things.
And I had a co-worker ask me just yesterday about probiotics and prebiotics and gut flora as he had just seen a video from some Dr. so and so who back in the 80's started discovering these sorts of things and how we can used food to heal "leaky gut" syndrome. The poor guy made me think of "gale" on here.......
And people wonder why I'm a skeptic!
Honestly - and this is going to make me sound as old as I am <get off my lawn!> - I can't help but blame the internet for cases like your friend. There is *unlimited* information at our fingertips, but far too many people lack the skill to be able to differentiate the genuine from the bogus. Everyone is looking for the quick fix for everything, and lately, it seems that if it's touted as 'natural' it simply *has* to be good.
Then a second factor comes into play. People want to be on the cutting edge, in-the-know, trendy, because anything less just won't do. So myriads of folks jump onto these bogus fads because it can give them a false sense of superiority. "What? You still don't know about the miracle benefits of <insert latest fad here>? Have you been living under a rock?"
Is everything a scam? No, of course not. But the old saying, "There's a fool born every minute" has never been more true than it is now, what with the constant bombardment of 'miracles' through the internet and social media.
A wee bit of critical thinking and research skills would go a long, long way. 11 -
There is not conclusive evidence to show that probiotics are necessarily needed after taking a course of antibiotics, nor is there any evidence that demonstrates exactly which probiotic strains are needed. Recent studies have also found that probiotic supplementation might hinder, rather than support, the body's natural recovery of intestinal bacteria after antibiotic treatment.
There is some evidence to suggest that probiotics are specifically helpful in preventing diarrhea associated with use of antibiotics. This does not seem to hold true for infectious diarrhea (i.e., like a stomach bug, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langas/article/PIIS2468-1253(18)30415-1/fulltext). There is also limited evidence to suggest some benefit for treatment or prevention of certain conditions in children, and certain conditions in adults (https://nccih.nih.gov/health/probiotics/introduction.htm#hed9).
If you believe that you need a probiotic, yogurt is probably a poor way of getting it. This idea may come from the myth that yogurt treats vaginal yeast infections. However, the studies that have been done are suggesting that specific bacteria do specific things, and there is no way to know yet whether you need to supplement any intestinal bacteria, which bacteria you need, whether those bacteria are in the specific yogurt you're eating, or whether the bacteria in the yogurt are capable of colonizing your intestinal tract.
Additionally, probiotics simply don't colonize everyone's intestinal tract. In one study, some people who were given probiotics were actually found to have those specific bacteria in their digestive tract after treatment, and others were not (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322952.php#2). Some people's bodies simply excreted the bacteria in their waste. However, we don't even have a good way to measure whether or not the probiotic bacteria are actually setting up shop in your intestines. Traditionally, researchers have looked at stool samples, reasoning that this would tell us which bacteria people had in their intestines. More recent studies suggest stool samples are not a good way to measure this (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180906141640.htm).
FInally, one study found that after antibiotics, it was easy for probiotic bacteria to colonize the intestines, but this new colony then prevented the patient's normal gut bacteria from returning for several months (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180906141640.htm).3 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I wish I could get my best friend to accept this. She insists that since she has been diagnosed as being insulin resistant/borderline diabetic and has fatty liver, that she must "detox" her liver and takes all sorts of herbal suppliments that are supposed to help. She also swears that sugar is "poison" to her because of her fatty liver. No amount of research will sway her; she gets her news and information from obscure internet sources and doesn't trust anything mainline because of the "money trail". Unfortunately, that leaves her wide open for these sorts of things.
And I had a co-worker ask me just yesterday about probiotics and prebiotics and gut flora as he had just seen a video from some Dr. so and so who back in the 80's started discovering these sorts of things and how we can used food to heal "leaky gut" syndrome. The poor guy made me think of "gale" on here.......
And people wonder why I'm a skeptic!
The thing that will treat fatty liver is stopping alcohol if a drinker, and otherwise, overwhelmingly, lose weight, as fast as safely possible. The body tends to use up liver fat first. One of the reasons surgeons try to get get patients to lose weight before bariatric surgery is the reduction in liver the diet causes, making the surgery safer because of the room.1 -
@apullum, Thanks for the extensive info! Wow!
I guess I just keep my clean diet and exercise routine. I like yogurt and I eat it anyway. I like soup and I make my own, I just enjoy it during winter to keep me warm if it helps, why not? that's all;
I am in great health in general so when I am taking something I am not used to... I feel like crap! My gut is also fighting hard... I just want to feel normal- and eat healthy without relying on anything new.
Thanks for the info though!
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weatherking2019 wrote: »@apullum, Thanks for the extensive info! Wow!
I guess I just keep my clean diet and exercise routine. I like yogurt and I eat it anyway. I like soup and I make my own, I just enjoy it during winter to keep me warm if it helps, why not? that's all;
I am in great health in general so when I am taking something I am not used to... I feel like crap! My gut is also fighting hard... I just want to feel normal- and eat healthy without relying on anything new.
Thanks for the info though!
Yogurt and soup are great if you like them. I eat yogurt every day. It helps me meet my protein goal, and I enjoy it, so win/win. As I mentioned, though, the idea that probiotics following antibiotics "can't hurt" may be incorrect.
I would guess you feel like crap because you were sick, and maybe due to side effects of the medication you were on. Some antibiotics can have nasty side effects. However, there might be a psychological component going on here too. Your body doesn't need a "detox" and your food isn't dirty unless you forgot to wash your produce. "Clean" eating is used to mean so many different things that it's nearly meaningless, and most of the claims made about "clean" eating are not based in scientific evidence. Fruits and vegetables are usually a good idea, for example, but a lot of other claims go beyond just eating your veggies.
If your meds are making you feel bad, then I would see your doctor to ask whether there is other medicine you can take instead or other evidence-based treatments for your symptoms. Your doctor might be able to tell you whether your stomach upset could be related to the antibiotics or not, and whether probiotics would be recommended for your specific situation.0 -
weatherking2019 wrote: »@apullum, Thanks for the extensive info! Wow!
I guess I just keep my clean diet and exercise routine. I like yogurt and I eat it anyway. I like soup and I make my own, I just enjoy it during winter to keep me warm if it helps, why not? that's all;
I am in great health in general so when I am taking something I am not used to... I feel like crap! My gut is also fighting hard... I just want to feel normal- and eat healthy without relying on anything new.
Thanks for the info though!
Not all yogurt has active cultures, so do check to make sure your brand does. Cabot and Stonyfield both say LIVE & ACTIVE CULTURES.
http://www.aboutyogurt.com/Live-Culture4 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »*sigh* I wish I could get my best friend to accept this. She insists that since she has been diagnosed as being insulin resistant/borderline diabetic and has fatty liver, that she must "detox" her liver and takes all sorts of herbal suppliments that are supposed to help. She also swears that sugar is "poison" to her because of her fatty liver. No amount of research will sway her; she gets her news and information from obscure internet sources and doesn't trust anything mainline because of the "money trail". Unfortunately, that leaves her wide open for these sorts of things.
And I had a co-worker ask me just yesterday about probiotics and prebiotics and gut flora as he had just seen a video from some Dr. so and so who back in the 80's started discovering these sorts of things and how we can used food to heal "leaky gut" syndrome. The poor guy made me think of "gale" on here.......
And people wonder why I'm a skeptic!
Honestly - and this is going to make me sound as old as I am <get off my lawn!> - I can't help but blame the internet for cases like your friend. There is *unlimited* information at our fingertips, but far too many people lack the skill to be able to differentiate the genuine from the bogus. Everyone is looking for the quick fix for everything, and lately, it seems that if it's touted as 'natural' it simply *has* to be good.
Then a second factor comes into play. People want to be on the cutting edge, in-the-know, trendy, because anything less just won't do. So myriads of folks jump onto these bogus fads because it can give them a false sense of superiority. "What? You still don't know about the miracle benefits of <insert latest fad here>? Have you been living under a rock?"
Is everything a scam? No, of course not. But the old saying, "There's a fool born every minute" has never been more true than it is now, what with the constant bombardment of 'miracles' through the internet and social media.
A wee bit of critical thinking and research skills would go a long, long way.
My mother is susceptible to the first factor and my aunt to the second 1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »weatherking2019 wrote: »@apullum, Thanks for the extensive info! Wow!
I guess I just keep my clean diet and exercise routine. I like yogurt and I eat it anyway. I like soup and I make my own, I just enjoy it during winter to keep me warm if it helps, why not? that's all;
I am in great health in general so when I am taking something I am not used to... I feel like crap! My gut is also fighting hard... I just want to feel normal- and eat healthy without relying on anything new.
Thanks for the info though!
Not all yogurt has active cultures, so do check to make sure your brand does. Cabot and Stonyfield both say LIVE & ACTIVE CULTURES.
http://www.aboutyogurt.com/Live-Culture
i do love stonyfield0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »weatherking2019 wrote: »@apullum, Thanks for the extensive info! Wow!
I guess I just keep my clean diet and exercise routine. I like yogurt and I eat it anyway. I like soup and I make my own, I just enjoy it during winter to keep me warm if it helps, why not? that's all;
I am in great health in general so when I am taking something I am not used to... I feel like crap! My gut is also fighting hard... I just want to feel normal- and eat healthy without relying on anything new.
Thanks for the info though!
Not all yogurt has active cultures, so do check to make sure your brand does. Cabot and Stonyfield both say LIVE & ACTIVE CULTURES.
http://www.aboutyogurt.com/Live-Culture
I make my own with heirloom cultures so they are active, which allows me to use some from the previous batch to inoculate the next batch.
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