What will it take for me to get six pack abs
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mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Alright thanks for the advice guys. I also wanna say i just bought creatine so ima start taking that along with whey isolate. I will also continue to eat clean but do yall think creatine is a good chooce for me? Why or why not?
Creatine has benefits for almost anyone, even potentially for non-lifters. It is also relatively cheap as a supplement. There's no real downsides to taking it besides some people get stomach upset, and even that can be mitigated via switching from one daily dose to breaking it apart.
It is worth noting that it will cause water retention when loading up, which will show as strong weight gain.
I agree with the advise that you're probably looking at recomp or possibly a small bulk with a cut afterwards.
For comparison, I'm around your height and in my profile photo I was ~160. I agree you with the others that have said you'd potentially be at or near underweight to have a visible six pack at your current build.
I agree with you. I see you have definite ab definition and if you are my height and weigh 160 you must have alot of muscle and a low bf %. I appreciate your advice and i just wanna ask, "do you think i should take creatine along with whey isolate and maybe eat at maintenance or continue to just eat slightly below what i burn each day?" I can tell you ive been starving and feeling like im fighting hunger all the time.
Oh, I technically don't have a six pack in that picture, though I did kind of have inguinal creases and some abdominal veins
. I'm waiting on surgery before a six pack is possible. But yeah, I was DEXA at 10.5% body fat around that time.
There's no particular benefit to taking creatine at the same time as whey, if that is what you're asking. About the only thing worth being concerned with for creatine is don't take it with coffee / caffeine as it increases the risk of stomach upset.
Whey would be a helpful supplement for getting in protein. It is just as good to get in protein in the form of regular food. For recomp, protein is probably even more essential. There's some studies that show high protein near or even above maintenance in resistance training individuals, particularly new lifters, strongly favors any weight gain towards being lean tissue.
I do think what you'll want is a recomp more than anything else. It sounds like doing a traditional bulk would frustrate you with the fat gain that comes with the muscle gain, so waiting until you could do the cut might frustrate you. Recomping might take a little longer to accomplish the same overall tissue, but I think you'll be more pleased by the changes always getting leaner.2 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Alright thanks for the advice guys. I also wanna say i just bought creatine so ima start taking that along with whey isolate. I will also continue to eat clean but do yall think creatine is a good chooce for me? Why or why not?
Creatine has benefits for almost anyone, even potentially for non-lifters. It is also relatively cheap as a supplement. There's no real downsides to taking it besides some people get stomach upset, and even that can be mitigated via switching from one daily dose to breaking it apart.
It is worth noting that it will cause water retention when loading up, which will show as strong weight gain.
I agree with the advise that you're probably looking at recomp or possibly a small bulk with a cut afterwards.
For comparison, I'm around your height and in my profile photo I was ~160. I agree you with the others that have said you'd potentially be at or near underweight to have a visible six pack at your current build.
I agree with you. I see you have definite ab definition and if you are my height and weigh 160 you must have alot of muscle and a low bf %. I appreciate your advice and i just wanna ask, "do you think i should take creatine along with whey isolate and maybe eat at maintenance or continue to just eat slightly below what i burn each day?" I can tell you ive been starving and feeling like im fighting hunger all the time.
You have been given mostly good advice in this thread other than the one person who thinks eating "clean" is a requirement which its not. At this point, I think you need to focus on a good strength training program and stick to the recomp idea with the understanding that it is a slow process. You aren't going to see results overnight, which is why taking progress pictures and measurements is a good idea. Creatine isn't going to hurt, but its not going to magically give you visible abs either, you need to put in the work.5 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Alright thanks for the advice guys. I also wanna say i just bought creatine so ima start taking that along with whey isolate. I will also continue to eat clean but do yall think creatine is a good chooce for me? Why or why not?
Creatine has benefits for almost anyone, even potentially for non-lifters. It is also relatively cheap as a supplement. There's no real downsides to taking it besides some people get stomach upset, and even that can be mitigated via switching from one daily dose to breaking it apart.
It is worth noting that it will cause water retention when loading up, which will show as strong weight gain.
I agree with the advise that you're probably looking at recomp or possibly a small bulk with a cut afterwards.
For comparison, I'm around your height and in my profile photo I was ~160. I agree you with the others that have said you'd potentially be at or near underweight to have a visible six pack at your current build.
I agree with you. I see you have definite ab definition and if you are my height and weigh 160 you must have alot of muscle and a low bf %. I appreciate your advice and i just wanna ask, "do you think i should take creatine along with whey isolate and maybe eat at maintenance or continue to just eat slightly below what i burn each day?" I can tell you ive been starving and feeling like im fighting hunger all the time.
You have been given mostly good advice in this thread other than the one person who thinks eating "clean" is a requirement which its not. At this point, I think you need to focus on a good strength training program and stick to the recomp idea with the understanding that it is a slow process. You aren't going to see results overnight, which is why taking progress pictures and measurements is a good idea. Creatine isn't going to hurt, but its not going to magically give you visible abs either, you need to put in the work.
Yeah all that is true. I know creatine isnt the answer, i just want to get the most results possible. Like you said, it won't hurt so might as well guve it a shot and see what happens. I know im losing inches on my waist because now a 30 fits perfect. I almost need a belt with a 30.0 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Alright thanks for the advice guys. I also wanna say i just bought creatine so ima start taking that along with whey isolate. I will also continue to eat clean but do yall think creatine is a good chooce for me? Why or why not?
Creatine has benefits for almost anyone, even potentially for non-lifters. It is also relatively cheap as a supplement. There's no real downsides to taking it besides some people get stomach upset, and even that can be mitigated via switching from one daily dose to breaking it apart.
It is worth noting that it will cause water retention when loading up, which will show as strong weight gain.
I agree with the advise that you're probably looking at recomp or possibly a small bulk with a cut afterwards.
For comparison, I'm around your height and in my profile photo I was ~160. I agree you with the others that have said you'd potentially be at or near underweight to have a visible six pack at your current build.
I agree with you. I see you have definite ab definition and if you are my height and weigh 160 you must have alot of muscle and a low bf %. I appreciate your advice and i just wanna ask, "do you think i should take creatine along with whey isolate and maybe eat at maintenance or continue to just eat slightly below what i burn each day?" I can tell you ive been starving and feeling like im fighting hunger all the time.
Oh, I technically don't have a six pack in that picture, though I did kind of have inguinal creases and some abdominal veins . I'm waiting on surgery before a six pack is possible. But yeah, I was DEXA at 10.5% body fat around that time.
There's no particular benefit to taking creatine at the same time as whey, if that is what you're asking. About the only thing worth being concerned with for creatine is don't take it with coffee / caffeine as it increases the risk of stomach upset.
Whey would be a helpful supplement for getting in protein. It is just as good to get in protein in the form of regular food. For recomp, protein is probably even more essential. There's some studies that show high protein near or even above maintenance in resistance training individuals, particularly new lifters, strongly favors any weight gain towards being lean tissue.
I do think what you'll want is a recomp more than anything else. It sounds like doing a traditional bulk would frustrate you with the fat gain that comes with the muscle gain, so waiting until you could do the cut might frustrate you. Recomping might take a little longer to accomplish the same overall tissue, but I think you'll be more pleased by the changes always getting leaner.
I appreciate the advice. I hope things go ok with your surgery and you can get back to doing what you want. But it seems what you said is the overall opinion of most ppl so im gonna give that a try. I believe itll work if i do just like you said. You're also right about gaining fat frustrating me bc it really would. Everytime i gain weight i feel like im getting fat so i just lose it anyway.3 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.3 -
Update: I have been eating a little more along with creatine everyday and have been doing cardio everyday to create a deficit instead of eating less. Everyone has given me great advice and i really appreciate everything. Ive noticed some results so far mostly in the way my clothes fit. Ill keep on doing what ive been advised to do and keep yall posted.
PS: I could use more friends for support on this app so if anyone wants to send me a request ill definitely accept.2 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.1 -
Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Abs are made in the kitchen doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. It means that you can't simply work out to get abs, you need to eat at a deficit to have a low body fat.
Nobody is talking about eating 2000 calories of sugar. Adequate protein is important for muscle development, and good nutrition has health benefits, but there is nothing inherently beneficial about any food being "clean", which is not even a real definable term.
So eating at deficit is how you build muscle and burn fat? Interesting... I can see why all these starving people in poor countries are just walking around with rippling six packs...
Your abs are just like any other muscle and must be trained to grow. However, abs are made in the kitchen still means exactly what it's always meant. You can gain muscle on a caloric deficit just like you can burn fat on a caloric deficit. Dropping weight is very different from burning fat.
There's a reason the OP is skinny fat, he dropped ALL OF HIS MUSCLE along his way to dropping weight.
Muscle is supported by protein, right...? So he just needs to keep dropping weight and eating at a deficit to self correct this problem? Then weighing in at 110 lbs he will have the abs of his dreams?
I don't understand how that saying doesn't mean exactly what I think it means. I never said his training wasn't a very important factor but nutrition is just as important.
This would be funny if it wasn't sad. Funny because if you do actually look at various pictures of people who are impoverished and doing massive amounts of physical labor you can find plenty of pictures of people who do in fact have six packs. You'll also see very muscular children when when you look at child laborers who are tasked with doing manual labor (including fishing) as well. No this isn't something I do for fun and I don't work in international development/public health. I do, however, watch international news on a daily basis.
This is different from someone who is malnourished to the point of having kwashiorkor. He also, very clearly didn't lose (or in your words, drop), "ALL OF HIS MUSCLE" but I suppose more than a little hyperbole never hurt anyone.2 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.
In the thread itself, he admits the goal of the diet is not for overall health, though given his exercise, and weight loss, he was probably seeing improvements in his health markers.
I believe that when he had a thread here on MFP, it included him doing about an hour a day of running at a 7.5 or 8 minute per mile pace - I believe it was 7.5 and that he ran 8 miles in that hour.
At a high flux, fruit and vegetable intake matters less and less - if someone is doing 4,000 or 5,000 calories worth of expenditure a day, they're going to get a lot of their micronutrients from eating almost anything. Exercise also helps suppress appetite. For a less active person, fruit and veggies will create a lot more satiety and cover a lot more nutrition. The point of DVdgzz's logs is that ultimately, when adherence isn't an issue, calories are what matters to weight.3 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.
In the thread itself, he admits the goal of the diet is not for overall health, though given his exercise, and weight loss, he was probably seeing improvements in his health markers.
I believe that when he had a thread here on MFP, it included him doing about an hour a day of running at a 7.5 or 8 minute per mile pace - I believe it was 7.5 and that he ran 8 miles in that hour.
At a high flux, fruit and vegetable intake matters less and less - if someone is doing 4,000 or 5,000 calories worth of expenditure a day, they're going to get a lot of their micronutrients from eating almost anything. Exercise also helps suppress appetite. For a less active person, fruit and veggies will create a lot more satiety and cover a lot more nutrition. The point of DVdgzz's logs is that ultimately, when adherence isn't an issue, calories are what matters to weight.
Thats true i was thinking myself that he must have been working out hard but i wonder if he wouldve also ate really healthy if his results would have been better. I agree with you tho and i know that in the end its calories in vs calories out. Maybe its my imagination, but i just feel like eating clean, whether it be a deficit or a surplus, it yields pretty good results. What do you think though?1 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.
What Magnus said.
Or, from only a slightly different perspective, overall nutrition is important, but food choices may not be as much so as sometimes thought by some people . . . and orthorexia certainly isn't. He eats a massive number of calories (because he burns a massive number of calories), so he's getting base levels of the necessary macros, plus probably as good or better micros as many people with "cleaner" foods would get on their fewer calories (many of those processed-food products are fortified, remember).
If your regimen is working for you to reach your physique goals and other goals, and you're finding it tasty and satisfying and practical, that's what counts.
It's easy to get a little bought-in to our own regimens. Arguing that my methods are essential for all . . . well, looking around, trying to avoid confirmation bias, makes it evident to me that that's not universally true. Food for thought.
These days, in posting to suggest things to other people here, I'm a believer in looking at the core foundation of nutrition first: Right calories, decent macros, decent micros, . . . etc. "Eating clean" (under any definition) may make some of those things easier (or harder), but it isn't as important in and of itself as the calories, macros, micros, etc. , IMO. Plus personal tastes, satiation, practicality, and overall happiness count, too.
For a physique like that, demonically hard (and smart) work enters into it, too.
(As an aside, I don't eat at all like Dvdgzz. I'm 45 years a vegetarian, eating mostly simple one-ingredient or traditional "processed" foods humans have been eating for centuries or millennia (such as yogurt, raw sauekraut, some simple mostly whole-grain baked goods, etc.), most of which I cook myself at home. That's what's tasty, satisfying, and practical are for me. I think his daily diet looks revolting, just on taste alone. But if someone needs a daily McD burger to be happy, I'm going to suggest they have it, fit it in their calories (changing size and sides as needed), and buttress in the rest of good nutrition around it during the rest of their day, rather than tell them to "eat clean".)
BTW, Dvdgzz has been working out for years now, but his physique hasn't always been where it is now. He's got an earlier before/after in this thread, here: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/43824947#Comment_43824947
Best wishes!
@Dvdgzz , if you're still around, I should admit I'm shamelessly misusing you as an example case study. :flowerforyou:3 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.
In the thread itself, he admits the goal of the diet is not for overall health, though given his exercise, and weight loss, he was probably seeing improvements in his health markers.
I believe that when he had a thread here on MFP, it included him doing about an hour a day of running at a 7.5 or 8 minute per mile pace - I believe it was 7.5 and that he ran 8 miles in that hour.
At a high flux, fruit and vegetable intake matters less and less - if someone is doing 4,000 or 5,000 calories worth of expenditure a day, they're going to get a lot of their micronutrients from eating almost anything. Exercise also helps suppress appetite. For a less active person, fruit and veggies will create a lot more satiety and cover a lot more nutrition. The point of DVdgzz's logs is that ultimately, when adherence isn't an issue, calories are what matters to weight.
Thats true i was thinking myself that he must have been working out hard but i wonder if he wouldve also ate really healthy if his results would have been better. I agree with you tho and i know that in the end its calories in vs calories out. Maybe its my imagination, but i just feel like eating clean, whether it be a deficit or a surplus, it yields pretty good results. What do you think though?
But how do you define eating clean? If you ask 10 people this question, you'll get 10 different answers. I think to think in terms of an overall nutrient dense diet is a good thing but "clean" puts some kind of false morality to food.
There is nutrient dense food and less nutrient dense food. Dvdgzz was getting plenty of nutrients from his burgers and pizza as well as the other things he was eating. Would I personally eat more fruits and veggies, sure. But I can't really argue with his results. And how much better could they get? Did you see some of those pictures.
Personally, I tend to eat a higher protein, veggies and fruits kind of diet. But I'll mix in some sweets or ice cream for pleasure without jeopardizing my health or my results. I think the whole clean/ dirty diet thing is a false dichotomy.4 -
mcraburn123 wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »mcraburn123 wrote: »Eating clean has very much to do with your results. Eating at a caloric deficit will help you drop weight but your body will look very different from eating 2,000 calories of sugar everyday versus eating 2,000 calories of a well balanced diet.
"Abs are made in the kitchen."
Yea that's true because even when i wasnt working out and eating very clean i was seeing progress in body composition
Do your research. Look at the results. You can find plenty of people who went from what you look like in your profile picture to adding 20 lbs of muscle and getting completely ripped as well.
How were they able to gain weight, add lbs of muscle, and still drop fat? It wasn't by just eating McDonald's at a caloric deficit. These people eat "clean". Don't be fooled by the monolithic opinion here shown by everyone who hides behind the disagree button.
I think there's more books written on this topic than probably anything else out there. Content of your diet is very important, regardless of all the "disagree(s)" you see here.
Food is not created equally. Meaning different foods are processed and used differently in the body.
Well, in at least one case, it kinda was, with the obvious excellent training program alongside, of course.
Details here: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731
That is one ripped guy**, and a . . . heh . . . very "unclean" diet.
No, it's not me, it's (like I said) a very ripped guy, and I'm just a li'l ol' lady.
** To those who remember Dvdgzz, this is a very long and detailed thread from him on bodybuilding.com about his very interesting dietary experiments.
Sorry im just now replying but i hope you see this. To be honest im surprised he got results because his diet was horrible. Pizza for breakfast? Fast food all the time? No veggies? If i do that i just dont get results. I know this because i have ate similar and worked out just to see very minimal results. People are different tho and he had a good foundation to build off of anyway. Feel free to check out my food log anytime and tell me what you think. I always like to know other people's opinion on my regimen because it gives me more insight. But thanks for the advice. It was intersting to see that forum.
In the thread itself, he admits the goal of the diet is not for overall health, though given his exercise, and weight loss, he was probably seeing improvements in his health markers.
I believe that when he had a thread here on MFP, it included him doing about an hour a day of running at a 7.5 or 8 minute per mile pace - I believe it was 7.5 and that he ran 8 miles in that hour.
At a high flux, fruit and vegetable intake matters less and less - if someone is doing 4,000 or 5,000 calories worth of expenditure a day, they're going to get a lot of their micronutrients from eating almost anything. Exercise also helps suppress appetite. For a less active person, fruit and veggies will create a lot more satiety and cover a lot more nutrition. The point of DVdgzz's logs is that ultimately, when adherence isn't an issue, calories are what matters to weight.
Thats true i was thinking myself that he must have been working out hard but i wonder if he wouldve also ate really healthy if his results would have been better. I agree with you tho and i know that in the end its calories in vs calories out. Maybe its my imagination, but i just feel like eating clean, whether it be a deficit or a surplus, it yields pretty good results. What do you think though?
But how do you define eating clean? If you ask 10 people this question, you'll get 10 different answers. I think to think in terms of an overall nutrient dense diet is a good thing but "clean" puts some kind of false morality to food.
There is nutrient dense food and less nutrient dense food. Dvdgzz was getting plenty of nutrients from his burgers and pizza as well as the other things he was eating. Would I personally eat more fruits and veggies, sure. But I can't really argue with his results. And how much better could they get? Did you see some of those pictures.
Personally, I tend to eat a higher protein, veggies and fruits kind of diet. But I'll mix in some sweets or ice cream for pleasure without jeopardizing my health or my results. I think the whole clean/ dirty diet thing is a false dichotomy.
Right, honestly like you said, fruits, veggies, protein, and complex carbs are pretty much what i would consider clean. But i believe it is true if you are burning as many calories as him it wouldnt matter so much what you ate as long as you get your vitamins. I mean when you burn 5k a day, you gotta find a way to get in more calories because if you only ate 1800-2000 like i eat, you would lose weight insanely too fast and you would definitely sacrifice muscle. Ill admit that he got great results and worked his *kitten* off thata for sure.1 -
Was doing the Stability ball pullover to hit my Lats. After a couple months of doing 25 to 50 of these a day my abs started popping and becoming more defined.
Honestly I did not know why until I saw this video. http://youtube.com/user/jdcav241 -
Haven’t read this thread but 2 things needed for a 6 pack:
1. Sufficiently low body fat
2. Sufficiently developed ab muscles.
It’s hard but not impossible.0
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