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  • gothchiqgothchiq Member Posts: 4,536 Member Member Posts: 4,536 Member
    It sort of depends on how high or low your maintenance calories are. If you don't burn many in the first place you will probably always have to log. If you burn say 2000 then you may not have to be as strict about logging once you have established habits and portion control.
  • wmd1979wmd1979 Member Posts: 469 Member Member Posts: 469 Member
    gothchiq wrote: »
    It sort of depends on how high or low your maintenance calories are. If you don't burn many in the first place you will probably always have to log. If you burn say 2000 then you may not have to be as strict about logging once you have established habits and portion control.

    I don't see how this makes a bit of difference. My maintenance calories are closer to 3000-3500 daily, but because I expend a ton of energy during workouts its very easy for me to consume that many, or more. If I wasn't conscious about how many calories I was consuming it would be very easy to go over and gain weight.
  • Katmary71Katmary71 Member Posts: 3,561 Member Member Posts: 3,561 Member
    I see myself logging for life, I honestly can't imagine not weighing before eating or while making a recipe and when I'm out I'm mentally trying to figure out calories. I think if she stole my scale and I couldn't get a new one I'd stick to my main meals knowing they're in my calorie range. Trying out new recipes and eating other's meals would be the most difficult, I was floored when I logged eggs Benedict and saw calories after a brunch which I rarely have!
  • magnusthenerdmagnusthenerd Member Posts: 1,169 Member Member Posts: 1,169 Member
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    gothchiq wrote: »
    It sort of depends on how high or low your maintenance calories are. If you don't burn many in the first place you will probably always have to log. If you burn say 2000 then you may not have to be as strict about logging once you have established habits and portion control.

    I don't see how this makes a bit of difference. My maintenance calories are closer to 3000-3500 daily, but because I expend a ton of energy during workouts its very easy for me to consume that many, or more. If I wasn't conscious about how many calories I was consuming it would be very easy to go over and gain weight.

    It looks like there are limits to how much appetite will rise in relation to increased energy expenditure.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29897822?fbclid=IwAR2sHS301q7igWvdVR64QwUD6-N58rGBbr1TYPgO6IXdQDVwmkpxMXlYrYc
    ^Flock found that putting a group on 1500 calories of exercise created a 500 calorie deficit, but at 3000 calories of exercise, it was a 2,000 calorie deficit. That suggests around 1,000 calories a week, appetite stops having a relationship to exercise calories out.

    There's also the math in how much of an overcompensating deficit an active person could generate to do a "one day diet" and go back to maintenance with no disruption to Leptin (it seems to take 2 or 3 days for the body to respond to sustained deficits). So a 3500 calorie person could have a very light day of 1,500, losing over half a a pound of fat versus the 2,000 calorie person on 1,500 losing 1/7 a pound of fat.
  • sijomialsijomial Member Posts: 16,610 Member Member Posts: 16,610 Member
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    gothchiq wrote: »
    It sort of depends on how high or low your maintenance calories are. If you don't burn many in the first place you will probably always have to log. If you burn say 2000 then you may not have to be as strict about logging once you have established habits and portion control.

    I don't see how this makes a bit of difference. My maintenance calories are closer to 3000-3500 daily, but because I expend a ton of energy during workouts its very easy for me to consume that many, or more. If I wasn't conscious about how many calories I was consuming it would be very easy to go over and gain weight.

    Personally I find maintenance far easier with a big calorie allowance boosted by high activity levels and a lot of exercise - it does make a difference for me but of course that's not universal.

    It allows me to eat in the style and portion sizes that I enjoy the most (roughly speaking 3 meals and 3 snacks a day) so I hit a fairly natural balance. I could of course eat more than that c. 3,500 but don't feel the need or desire to.

    In winter when activity and exercise drops (especially cycling volume) I find it harder and most of winter I skip breakfast to compensate but still gain a few pounds which I lose again in Spring as my cycling volumes steps up.

    For most of my (long!) adult life my desired eating level has exceeded my actual needs and I've had to watch and restrict my eating but taking up long distance cycling (most of which doesn't greatly boost my appetite) has meant my output has caught up with my preferred eating level.
  • KNocerosKNoceros Member Posts: 198 Member Member Posts: 198 Member
    I think I will. At least in some shape or form. I’ve been here for nearly 5 years and probably 3 in maintenance.

    I’ve got to the point where if I’m at home, doing normal sort of things, not logging feels weird.

    Also, the mere act of logging makes me think twice about reaching for that 2nd / 3rd / 8th biscuit, whether it’s “formal” logging such as here with calories counts and nutrition info, or just keeping a list of what I’ve put in my mouth.

    That said, I’m also at the point where “if I’m on holiday, I’m on holiday” and not only do not log, I don’t even try to keep track. The “damage” is never that bad (<800g / 2 weeks actual gain is I think my worst) and can easily be sorted.
  • rheddmobilerheddmobile Member Posts: 5,397 Member Member Posts: 5,397 Member
    I plan on logging for the rest of my life. I need to do it in order to track my carbs (type 2 diabetic) and it gives me peace of mind. My scale weight can vary wildly from day to day, and knowing my calories lets me know that I haven’t really gained or lost that amount of fat.

    I do think it’s possible to give up logging, or to cut back on how often you weigh yourself, but very difficult for a formerly obese person to do both. If you don’t log you need to be aware of whether or not you are still within your goal range so you can take action quickly if you start regaining. It’s the people who stopped paying attention who end up here trying to lose the weight all over again.
  • HappyGrapeHappyGrape Member, Premium Posts: 429 Member Member, Premium Posts: 429 Member
    for me it's yes. It only takes few minutes a day and every time i log on it's a reminder of why is it I do what i do
  • jplinisjplinis Member Posts: 35 Member Member Posts: 35 Member
    HappyGrape wrote: »
    for me it's yes. It only takes few minutes a day and every time i log on it's a reminder of why is it I do what i do

    Same here! I eat 80% the same meals any way so it's just a simple copy and pasta. (pun intended)
  • paperpuddingpaperpudding Member Posts: 5,819 Member Member Posts: 5,819 Member
    Forever is a long time!

    I have logged for last 6 years of maitenance - but I do log loosely and I do take short periods off logging - eg when on vacation.

    Will I do this forever? - who knows?

    But I plan to do it for the foreseeable future and continue it indefinitely.

  • CupcakeCrusoeCupcakeCrusoe Member Posts: 775 Member Member Posts: 775 Member
    Today, I put some peanut butter in a cup, and stuck the spoon back in the jar to get more.

    Until I saw the scale underneath said I'd already hit my serving size.

    This is why I'll probably have to keep logging for the forseeable future. Peanut butter (and olive oil, and butter, and honey I put in tea) lies. I'll at least have to log the high-calorie things, and monitor weight, even if I don't log everything.
  • FGS1974FGS1974 Member Posts: 5 Member Member Posts: 5 Member
    I wanted to lose approx 113 lbs to get to top end of government published weight range for my height. I’m 6’2” tall and wanted to get to 195- started about 308. I got to 205 without logging but was stuck there for about three months. So I started logging etc and reached my 195.

    Similar stats here...6'2", started at 282lbs and it took a year of very honest logging to get to 178lb (I was aiming for a few more but my BMI is healthy now rather than obese and my face was starting to look "gaunt" and "haggard" according to family). I've being on maintenance for five weeks now and currently feel like I need to log absolutely everything. Maybe once I get used to the new calorie levels/increased portion sizes I'll be able to relax a little but at the moment I'm scared of falling into old habits. I certainly feel like I'll keep logging for ever as it keeps me mindful of what I'm eating (I try to log everything before I eat it and then make a choice about whether to have it or not!). The size I got to before starting to lose weight shows that I have no self-discipline without MFP reminding me how quickly calories add up. I look on logging as a minor inconvenience with a huge benefit so I'll keep going for as long as I feel I need to. I'm sure everyone's different so go for whatever works for you – if you find it's not working you can always change. Good luck!

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