What’s going on with this?
HBMairi
Posts: 84 Member
Being measured by my PT every couple of weeks, but I seem to be lowering body fat, muscle is going up but I’m not losing any weight and neither am I seeing any reduction in cm/inches at all.
Why would this be happening?
Why would this be happening?
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Margin of error in measurements perhaps,either with the way your muscle and body fat is beong measured and/or how/when/on what you're weighing yourself. What does your PT say?2
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PT measures it all every 10 days as well as looking at my weight. He’s going to tweak my macros, but my question is if I’m losing fat and building muscle why do I not see it in measurements or weight loss?2
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PT measures it all every 10 days as well as looking at my weight. He’s going to tweak my macros, but my question is if I’m losing fat and building muscle why do I not see it in measurements or weight loss?
Because fat & muscle, both've weight & volume, to them but it's unlikely to evenly replace 1, with the other. Thereby you might be retaining water, for a variety of reasons: menstruation, sodium, carbohydrates and/or muscle repair. Which's why, weight loss or gain, isn't linear.
How many 10 day periods of time, has he been weighing and/or measuring you? If it's been less than 28 days {4 weeks}, that isn't enough time to determine a trend.3 -
You don’t say whether you are eating at a calorie deficit.5
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muscle growth (especially in a female) is a long and slow process - how much muscle exactly are they saying you have put on in a 10 day period?4
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Here are my stats
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There is something very off there...4
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Is this one of those impedance scales? If so they are super unreliable. just test it: work out hard, get dehydrated, step on the scale. Then drink a pile of water and try again. The results will be massively different. Also, having sweat on your feet or all other body parts with which you have contact with sensors will also influence the results a bit. Would not be surprised if a bit of TOM waterweight somehow shows as well.4
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »There is something very off there...
In what way?1 -
You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly7
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scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?1 -
Bumping this because I'd like to see more comments from knowledgeable users. To me, that data (and your PT) sounds very questionable.2
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scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?
They are not synonymous. Scale weight is mass correlating with the force of gravity, affected by many factors, whether internally or externally from the body.
Fat loss is exactly as it sounds, which may or may not affect scale weight.
In each measured row, there is 1 inconsistency in each, where the priority measurements are supra-iliac and umbilical, the 3rd measurement is different with pectorals, midaxillary, and hamstrings being measured in those weeks. So those set of muscle groups would contribute differently to calculating overall body fat percentage, assuming those are the only data used in the calculations, and likely with calipers where results can vary wildly if the person doing the measurements is inconsistent.3 -
scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?
What are you using to determine BF%? If it is one of those scales, they aren't accurate at all.1 -
The pecs, midaxillary and hamstrings have been measured each time.scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?
They are not synonymous. Scale weight is mass correlating with the force of gravity, affected by many factors, whether internally or externally from the body.
Fat loss is exactly as it sounds, which may or may not affect scale weight.
In each measured row, there is 1 inconsistency in each, where the priority measurements are supra-iliac and umbilical, the 3rd measurement is different with pectorals, midaxillary, and hamstrings being measured in those weeks. So those set of muscle groups would contribute differently to calculating overall body fat percentage, assuming those are the only data used in the calculations.
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The pecs, midaxillary and hamstrings have been measured each time.scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?
They are not synonymous. Scale weight is mass correlating with the force of gravity, affected by many factors, whether internally or externally from the body.
Fat loss is exactly as it sounds, which may or may not affect scale weight.
In each measured row, there is 1 inconsistency in each, where the priority measurements are supra-iliac and umbilical, the 3rd measurement is different with pectorals, midaxillary, and hamstrings being measured in those weeks. So those set of muscle groups would contribute differently to calculating overall body fat percentage, assuming those are the only data used in the calculations.
what are you trying to achieve with these measurements? I still think expecting to see major differences in muscle mass over the course of a number of days in each different body part is unrealistic.6 -
I’m not expecting to see major differences in anything, I was asking why I’m not seeing weight loss1
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My diary is open, yes I’m logging my food and logging it properly2
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Looks like caliper skin fold testing - can you confirm OP as people keep asking you which method is being used.
Calipers in the hands of a properly trained person can be pretty reasonable but your numbers seem to be changing far faster than is credible.
"There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right? !" - no wrong.
Recomp has fat loss without weight loss (but your rate of change is surprising)
Water retention can also result in fat loss without weight loss.5 -
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Sorry, it was open to friends. It’s fully open now2
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The pecs, midaxillary and hamstrings have been measured each time.scarlett_k wrote: »You've lost 8% body fat and no weight loss?Assuming you are using the same scale each time and it is definitely functional I think your body fat is being measured incorrectly
Thanks, yes this is what I couldn't understand. There HAS to be weight loss with fat loss right?
They are not synonymous. Scale weight is mass correlating with the force of gravity, affected by many factors, whether internally or externally from the body.
Fat loss is exactly as it sounds, which may or may not affect scale weight.
In each measured row, there is 1 inconsistency in each, where the priority measurements are supra-iliac and umbilical, the 3rd measurement is different with pectorals, midaxillary, and hamstrings being measured in those weeks. So those set of muscle groups would contribute differently to calculating overall body fat percentage, assuming those are the only data used in the calculations.
Then there's an inconsistency somewhere. An 8% drop in body fat in under a month is astonishing, and without some other metric to distinguish it as a genuine loss; i.e. scale weight changes, changes in body part measurements, etc., there is an error occurring.6 -
You have a measurement problem.
Presumably you're not getting weighed naked at the same time in the morning after using the washroom and before you've started eating and drinking for the day, right?
Is the same person taking measurements the same way every time?
You're showing a > 7% fat drop. From 25kgs of fat to 19.6kgs or 5.4kgs of a drop. In a month. 41,580 Calories.
Not only 41,580 Calories, but if some of the corresponding increase (to keep you at an even weight) was not water weight, but was actual new lean mass, the development of new lean mass would ALSO incur Calories (sources vary as to the exact amount. anywhere from 800 to 5000 Cal per lb depending on various numbers I've seen, but quite possibly Anubis has a better figure).
No matter what. You're talking more than 42,000 Calories. In 24 days.
1750 Calories of energy imbalance PER DAY.
Does this sound likely based on what you've been doing in terms of activity and eating in terms of food?
My belief, based on what you're saying, is that you're improving your body composition, have a good amount of water retention from new exercise and possibly your monthly cycle, have a weight-in problem due to when and where you measure your weight and have a skin-fold measurement problem too.
Which doesn't stop you from improving your general health!
You're slightly in the overweight range by BMI, but by the looks of it fairly athletic.
A -500 Cal deficit or even a bit less (for example -250 if you're a very accurate logger who wants to take it very slow and maximize athletic performance) will see you getting great results over time.
Measuring your weight at home under similar daily conditions and using a weight trend application of website might also be of help in monitoring your general weight level over sufficient time frames (4-6 weeks including a complete cycle)10
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