Question on Nutrients

I'll try to go in order here, to those kind enough to respond.

Dear psychod787, I am not sure why but I always see your profile pic as washed out white, and anything you post is just blank. I do not know why. I have never set your profile to Ignore or Block and can't imagine why I have never seen anything you have said, to anyone. It's weird.

Janejellyroll, thanks for the warning about some of the supplements. Some friends were telling me to just go get some iron supplements but I was holding off for better information.

Lemurcat2, I am sorry if you feel I was slamming anyone for my keto and processed foods. I still am stating I am not eating processed foods and am still trying to hit the macros for a typical keto diet. So while you find this amusing, nothing has changed on my end. I am still pushing forward and have stated all along that I may not hit or rarely hit ketosis, and that I am not making that an issue or a big deal.

That said, Lemurcat2, I can also see you are way more advanced with your knowledge of your diet and what vitamins that is providing, with B12 and D as possibly deficient, as an example. I am finding the only way to really get my seeds, like I have stated, eating Dave's Killer Bread Good Seed, from time to time, and have yet to try to find a way to incorporate, for example, chia seeds into my menu. I agree that beans have tons of fiber, but during the weight loss of my journey, have decided to keep beans off the menu for now, and am hoping to find more suitable ways to eat veggies, or fruits, and thus apples are okay, limited, and yet I never was one for oranges, and still off my menu (high in calories), so that is why I am asking what ways people use to get these things into their diets. I am still not ready to just abandon what is working for me, the keto principles tailored to my needs.

Barbara, thank you for the information that even MFP may not be accurately reporting my micronutrients. I hadn't thought of that. And while I knew everyone would say the best approach is to eat more varieties with veggies and fruits, even my mom gave up on that years and years ago.

I guess I am also asking what are good supplements. I agree with janejellyroll there could be some bad choices to make when one has never taken a supplement in their life, and doesn't want to go down the whole HerbalLife (?) varieties on the market.

So the question comes down to where do people, like me, supplement their micros with healthy alternatives.

For example, you can take Omega 3 fish oil caplets for those who don't want to eat fish. Can you take some supplement that I am unaware of that is like eating a bunch of chia seeds? Or some kind of capsule? Or something that ups your Vitamin C, or is just getting the tried and true Vitamin C tablets best?

How do you get potassium levels up, or does one need to?

And again, phycho787, sorry this is all I see from your posts, and I do not know why.

Thank you janejellyroll for the time with your response. I will look into simple supplements and maybe ask my local pharmacist about recommendations. And I will google some more, as you suggest. Thanks. And yes, I do like raw spinach leaves. I guess one thing to do first is go back and look at what I ate on the days I hit recommended levels to see what the heck I ate that day

Thanks just_Tomek. I am enjoying learning new recipes and not just opening a box and placing in the microwave and eating 4-5 minutes later. I will look into some recipes that can hide some of the taste and yet provide some of the micros.

Thank you psychod787. I never really even worried about what I ate till I re-introduced Coke products back into my life 3 years ago, after an absence of 14 years or so. I started mixing 2/3rd Coke with 1/2 black cherry cranberry juice. Got hooked.

Lemurcat2 - I do want to learn, contrary to what you may feel. And again, I am not lecturing you. Why do certain people get to discuss how they feel and yet the rest of us can't enjoy our time here, asking some questions, and giving thoughts on our experiences. And this isn't, for me, just the last 25 days, but also I refer to other times in life when I had a measurable diet with results. I've gone down this road before.

So just please, hit the ignore button if you need, and you feel I am lecturing people. Or get your facts straight if you are going to try to quote what I said, then go get the quote. I do not feel any one person, program, or diet would not need some modifications to work for others. There is no pat answer. The questions and answers here are resources/opinions - and things to consider. If anyone is coming here and thinking they need to follow one person's advice, I do not know of anyone here who is a paid consultant with all the answers - especially when they aren't providing a one on one service. So, I will kindly ask others who have more information to provide, their thoughts. This is a collective experience by many.

Again, yes... in any given diet, chances are one is going to be eating some processed foods. Mine are from mostly whole ingredients. Not corn syrups, processed artificial ingredients one cannot pronounce. I don't get why you and janejellyroll keep harping on the fact that I was willing to admit even my keto plan has some process foods. But not the junk most packaged foods carry.

My carb amounts has nothing to do with trying to hit potassium levels. Correct. And yes, my admitting that I don't like broccoli, cauliflowers, sprouts, and a lot of veggies is to provide information to the responders, of what won't be found in my diet. If that means I may have to go to a supplement for some things, and lack in others, then that's what I have done all my life. I also stated I was not going to ever be a Zone, Paleo, or Mediterranean diet candidate. Too many veggies.

So I do appreciate what psyschod787 has to say. Or you, lemurcat2, when you aren't accusing me of lecturing, when I am simply giving opinions that obviously are in conflict with yours. No one here is right 100% of the time for everyone coming here. We are sharing our experiences. We can be open to being corrected. We may decide we like our beliefs on certain things no matter who disagrees. I don't know anyone here. But I have always been up front with what I am doing. If that is a lecture, then sorry. It's giving as much information to where I am, what is working, what questions linger in my mind, and enough background so when I ask questions, that person answering may know me better, to answer that question.

I am not offended for someone saying, :Young Padawan, I think you have much to learn about nutrition. I was once very naive about it. Take some time to learn is MHO... " and get where that comment is coming from. I agree, I don't know what micronutrients are in what foods I am consuming, and now, at least, am finding out even then MFP may not be accurate on some things. That, too, was good to know. But if I am eating mostly whole foods and avoiding processed foods, or what processed foods I am consuming that have whole ingredients, then I am trying to learn.

So don't speak to me about lectures. I wasn't lecturing anyone. But you just keep seeing it that way. Fine. You do just as well with that, too. The lecturing.

From what was in my freezer to what is now the food I consume, a huge difference. Gone are all those frozen dinners. The jellies in the refrig, just simply haven't been tossed yet. But I have made huge strides in changing what I eat.

Thanks. Keto was a diet plan I could understand, then hijack, and tailor to my needs. I watched lots of videos, of which some parts I could agree with, and other parts I was like that's not me, or that can't be right, or that's too fanatical. But I do love the way you give advice. Pick a path, learn - learn - learn, then decided if you need to take a new tact.

As for the long term of Keto, lord no I don't want this to be sustainable. I want to lose the weight, and then come back and say hey, okay guys.. when you get to your weight and want that to be your set point and want to maintain, what's the best way to do that.

I haven't even gotten to thinking about set points and maintaining. I am working on losing. But staying even on my pseudo keto for now is working. But calling that sustainable? I have proved to myself what calories I need to feel satiated or full, to feel energy, or lazy, or to feel healthy or run down. I am learning which food groups I will never go back to and which I really enjoy. I can only say I plan on staying off processed foods for good, though. Oh, and I love cooking new things. So that's good. Not just opening a box and hitting some buttons. But can I slowly add pasta, in moderation, or sweet potatoes, or something else I have given up for now, hope so. That's what living is all about. Just don't want to go back to living large

Thanks for the time you have spent here with me. I, again, do appreciate. Never heard of Mat DeLower, by the way. But if you meant Thomas DeLauer, yea... I'm not in agreement with him most of the time. Some. But not most. But again, he is just another resource. Whether I buy into his whole train of thoughts is my decision, in the end. Take care.

Thank you ylrara, those are nice ideas. I don't know why, when I think about veggies, I automatically go to the ones I really hate. LOL