Day 50 of the journey - Question about calories in/out

Good day everyone,

As title says, i'm on day 50 of a weight loss journey.
So far everything is going smooth, however, I have a few questions about calories in vs calories out over a long period of time.

Before I start let me give some info, i'm a 25 year old male, starting weight of 310,4 lbs, and currently 285,2 lbs
6'0 height (183cm)

I did some math, and over the course of the 50 days, I have consumed, on average, 1597 calories a day(basically 1600)
In 50 days, I have lost 25.2LBS, which gives me a deficit of around 1800 calories a day, explaining the weight loss.

I know some are gonna say it's too aggressive, and I should eat more. I cannot disagree. But I feel perfectly fine, exercise each day, and i'm not starving. I'm tracking my macros and everything is under control.

The question is, how sustainable is this, over a longer period of time, say a year, two years?
Is my body going to adapt to the lower calorie intake and reduce my metabolism?

Should I try to eat a little more? Or just keep going as is, as long as I feel good?

Thanks for your input!
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  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    How much of the loss came from a big drop in the first couple weeks? Over the past 3 weeks, what is your average loss per week?
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,162 Member
    Thanks for the inputs, i'd like to add that, even at 310 pounds, I was very very active, but ate too much, which is why I ended up weighing 310 pounds. So for me, there was no "initial huge weight loss", i've been losing a pound every other day since the day I decided to start watching what I eat.

    So with the math above, I think eating an extra 400 calories a day would make everything much more sustainable, while still only slowing down the weight loss at a rate of about a pound every 8 days or so.
    What do y'all think?

    Thanks!

    If you have an 1800 calorie daily deficit, adding 400 calories per day gives you a 1400 calorie daily deficit . . . is still close to 3 pounds a week, yes?
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    Absolutely, 3 pounds a week @ 285 body weight is slightly more than 1%, which makes it more in-line with what is recommended, I think i'll try to aim for 2000 calories. That extra 400 seems like a lot now that i've ditched liquor, chips, and junk food in general... :#
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    That is true Novus, but to me, going aggressive is what keeps me motivated, I want the results and so far, they are coming in.
    I should see a doctor at some point... last time i've been there was probably 10 years ago :D
  • 4Phoenix
    4Phoenix Posts: 236 Member
    I think you are doing great...congratulations! I understand your motivation and enthusiasm on this journey.
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    I agree with everything you just said, and it's very true.
    Well first of all, congrats on losing that much weight, it is an impressive feat.

    Now back to my plan, this isn't the first time I have lost weight, I've gone from 260 to 215 in the past, then gone from 280 to 240, and then things changed in life and I moved, got a new desk job and then next thing you know, surprise!! 310 pounds.
    So when you talk about early failure, and not to rely on motivation, I know exactly what you're talking about.

    The difference this time around, I made lifestyle changes that lead to this weight loss. The other times I was focused so much on losing weight, that I eventually couldn't keep up with it, mentally and physically.
    It is also my first time tracking calories, the other times i'd eat "healthy" foods and not what I enjoy, because of fear of ruining the progress I had made.
    This time around, I eat what I like, but I keep the deficit, that is one BIG part of my new journey, compared to the other times I tried to lose weight.
    Another thing is, i'm happy with how I look as is, i'm not trying to lose weight in an attempt to be happy. I'm happy right now.

    I also read your posts, and as we speak, I have the same mind set of losing weight as a " for sure " thing in the long term. There is no doubt in my mind that i'll reach my goal. No matter how long it'll take.

    One thing I would like your opinion on, is "how often do you weight yourself". I know the scale doesn't always reflect success. And i'm well aware of it, I also know that soon enough, the scale will start being deceiving, and i'm almost afraid to weight myself with the fear of losing motivation. I've been stepping on the scale every now and then, anywhere from 3 days to 7 days. Now that i'm entering the "slower" part of the weight loss journey, should I try stepping on the scale like twice a month? once a month? Let me know what you think.

    Also, if there's anyone reading this that's currently in a similar situation, why not share our journey? I'm open to having a weight-loss partner that enjoys the gym! I'm honestly itching so hard to get back in the gym once Covid-19 clears...
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,162 Member
    (snip)

    One thing I would like your opinion on, is "how often do you weight yourself".

    Daily, first thing in the morning, same state of (un)dress, after the bathroom, before eating/drinking.

    Then, put it in one of the free weight trending apps (Happy Scale for iOS, Libra for Android, Trendweight with a free Fitbit account (don't need a device), Weightgrapher, others).

    This will start helping you learn now how your particular body behaves: What causes water weight fluctuations, how long they take to dissipate, what stalls and whooshes look like, and more. This knowledge will become reassuring when weight loss starts to slow.

    After you get a month or so of daily weights in it, the app will also give you a somewhat sensible trend line, but don't mistake it for a crystal ball. It's just a statistical projection. It's a useful form of analysis, but it, too, can mislead.

    (snip)

    Also, if there's anyone reading this that's currently in a similar situation, why not share our journey? I'm open to having a weight-loss partner that enjoys the gym! I'm honestly itching so hard to get back in the gym once Covid-19 clears...

    Join that "Larger Losers" group linked earlier, if you haven't. "Sharing the journey" is what groups are there for.

    Individual MFP friends are a good thing, but sometimes give up or go off track, which can be dispiriting. Groups that are semi-active usually keep soldiering on, so there's some continuity of support: Also helpful.
  • NovusDies
    NovusDies Posts: 8,940 Member
    I have weighed sporadically, then monthly, then weekly, and now daily. I had a very negative relationship with the scale when I first started. It took some time for me to work past it.

    The advantage of weighing much less is not being reliant on the scale. I waited long enough and was losing fast enough that no amount of fluctuations would keep me from getting a big amount of lost weight to unwrap. I learned to trust the process of incremental change. I also learned that NSVs are far better than numbers.

    Over time, and thanks to MFP, I learned more about fluctuations and since I had a high confidence in my process I gradually started weighing more often. At that time I still almost always lost weight

    Eventually I wanted to unwrap it even more so I started a spreadsheet and a couple of week after I did I realized I would not be happy with weekly data so I went daily. Each time the scale went the wrong way my spreadsheet was there with numbers proving why it was impossible for me to gain 1, 2, 3, or more pounds of fat in a day or two. I had a column that compared my results. Seeing a number like -8500 for a 2 pound gain when I was losing 3 pounds a week spoke to my rational side. I would tell myself that even if I had made a mistake in logging the day before there is no scenario in which I made an 8500 calorie mistake. 200 calories was plausible, 500 calories maybe, but not 8500. I am not sure how many times I had to look at that column but I don't even have it in my spreadsheet anymore. I am completely fixed other than still not liking big jumps in weight. I figure I don't have to like them I just can't let them ruin my day anymore or make bad decisions based on them.

    So you can see my answer is that it kind of depends on you and where your head is at.

    The thing about all of this is you are not marrying anything other than a calorie deficit. The rest you can alter as much as you need as you go. It is more important, imo, to have the right mindset than all the right answers. For me it was impossible to have all the right answers at 50 days in because I didn't even know all the questions. I still don't have them all. I certainly did not have one for how I would feel during a global pandemic. It turns out I am mostly okay but I do see a slight lowering in mood quality and overall enthusiasm. My system is what is normal for me so even if I am not 100 percent into it I can easily execute it and still keep making progress.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,162 Member
    NovusDies wrote: »
    I am starting to get more and more verbose. @AnnPT77, @PAV8888, and @lemurcat12 are all bad influences.

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,232 Member
    Me have nothing to add!
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,232 Member
    Wise MFPeops said wise things to OP.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,232 Member
    Ha!
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,232 Member
    The last one was there just to beat up on the dastardly @AnnPT77 because three simple ascii characters are less verbose than three emoticons! :lol:

    Err.... to the OP. You're asking. This means you're thinking. The honeymoon period is running to a close. That's probably good!

    In 50 days you haven't found a new lifestyle yet. But you're correct in that you needed to think. And you need to keep on thinking about sustainable, incremental, changes that are going to be easy to adhere to. Changes that when taken together will keep pushing you towards a normal as opposed to an obese weight. Changes that don't depend on white knuckling your losses or on being "rewarded" by the scale for the "work" you do. You want to start "naturally" thinking like a thin person.

    And yes, you should be planning on several year for this new YOU project. Not several years of suffering; but, several years of some level of mindfulness. At the very least, your YOU project should probably become one of your main hobbies over the next few years. Hobbies can be fun. But you do have to put a little bit of effort into them. So making sure you continue to have fun is a big part of the new hobby. Things that are too painful or too hard are seldom fun. Experimenting with adding satiating and satisfying, good value for your Calories, things to your daily menus? Now THAT is fun! So you do need to be eating enough to be able to experiment with all the goodies you get to try now so that you can have a good arsenal available to you when you get to maintenance!

    I prefer to view 1% as a limit, not a goal. Sure as a morbidly obese person you can probably exceed 1%, maybe even hit as high as 1.5% for a short time period without major body composition side effects. However this doesn't mean that there will be NO side effects in the hormonal and behavioural department. And I don't like to deliberately increase the possibility of unwanted side effects!

    Your TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) comes to around 3400 (1600 you eat, 1800 for your losses). I am of the opinion that a deficit equal to 25% of TDEE is an aggressive level of weight loss even for a person in your position. 1000 Cal deficit our of 3400 would still be more than 25%. And aiming for a 2lb a week loss would yield a good 100lbs in a year. That's not exactly minor. Or slow. Or too far from your goal weight probably. BTW 2500-2600 is an "average" intake for an "average" male. Is there something wrong with aiming to be... "average"? :wink:

    You have the great advantage of youth right now. You can choose to make this a one time long term transition. Or you can spend the rest of your life fighting with weight regain and loss and regain and loss and regain....

    A lot of the weight loss and maintenance for formerly obese people is played out in the head. Keeping that head in the game long term is what it will take for you to win.

    I've added things that I enjoy and that promote where I want to be. I did end up dropping some things I enjoyed that didn't promote where wanted to be. TV time is now zero; MFP forum time is, err, ... high. Book reading is almost zero. Audio-books are loads of fun when walking outside!

    <PS: I love the range of 2500-2600. It was my average intake during my first 12 months of logging on MFP. I lost 72.5lbs during that year from 240.6 to 168.1 (5ft 7.8", age 50). My deficit was 695 Cal a day or 21.35% on average, I used trendweight to evaluate my weight level changes.>
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    Thanks for all this information, you bring up alot of good points, and yes, 2lbs a week is 100lbs in a year, which is an amazing feat.

    After weighing myself this morning, I have lost another pound in 3 days and that puts me at 44.6lbs to lose to reach my "initial weight goal" of 240 pounds. Once I reach the 240 pounds goal, i'll set another one, probably somewhere between 200 and 215 pounds.

    What you're saying about being young, and making a decision to reach a healthy weight right now and maintain it for another 40-50 years is also very true. I have, for a long time, been putting weight loss on the side with the excuse of "Ah i'm still young, and I still have a few more years to lose the weight" but honestly, that is a very bad mindset, and right now i'm on the right track. All I need to do is to be consistent, and if that requires eating more, I will.

    That being said, after 50 days of eating roughly 1600 calories a day, I find it somewhat difficult to eat the extra 400. I'll have to grab something I really enjoy eating to consume that extra 400 each day.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,162 Member
    Thanks for all this information, you bring up alot of good points, and yes, 2lbs a week is 100lbs in a year, which is an amazing feat.

    After weighing myself this morning, I have lost another pound in 3 days and that puts me at 44.6lbs to lose to reach my "initial weight goal" of 240 pounds. Once I reach the 240 pounds goal, i'll set another one, probably somewhere between 200 and 215 pounds.

    What you're saying about being young, and making a decision to reach a healthy weight right now and maintain it for another 40-50 years is also very true. I have, for a long time, been putting weight loss on the side with the excuse of "Ah i'm still young, and I still have a few more years to lose the weight" but honestly, that is a very bad mindset, and right now i'm on the right track. All I need to do is to be consistent, and if that requires eating more, I will.

    That being said, after 50 days of eating roughly 1600 calories a day, I find it somewhat difficult to eat the extra 400. I'll have to grab something I really enjoy eating to consume that extra 400 each day.

    Anything calorie dense but not too filling can help, especially as you adjust: Nuts, nut butter, more olive oil on salad or veggies, full fat dairy instead of low/non-fat. But non-nutrition-dense, calorie-dense treats are fine, too, once all the nutritional boxes are checked.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,232 Member
    edited April 2020
    So the question you should be asking when you're considering how many calories you're going to eat and whether you have trouble reaching them or not is, in my opinion, less about how I'm going to reach 2000 calories today (or hint hint hint 2500 calories, or even more to keep your loss within parameters).

    You're practicing weight loss mode eating which is great for loss and regains.

    The question should be more about if I were maintaining my BMI 24.9 or less weight today, would this be how I'm eating?

    In your mind your goal is to 240 and your goal is 200. And then your goal is to less than 200. And then your goal is to maintain.

    I am being mean. I am saying your goals are too focussed on weight loss.

    I am confident you will lose the weight.

    I am even somewhat confident you will maintain the weight you lose, *if* starting now you keep making choices and think about things you will keep doing for at least 5 years.

    You can eat anything, at any time, just not always, or always in the quantities you may have done in the past.

    Losing to 200 may be good for your health.

    Losing to a weight trend of 200 **and** not substantially regaining for 5+ years is HUGE for your health.

    You are thinking of success in terms of weight loss. I am pushing you to think of success as maintenance of a normal weight and of how you're going to be eating at that maintenance.

    Eat the same way now while you're losing and it will be more embedded and more likely to continue when you get there. (Which is why now is the time to develop it instead of thinking diet food for the short term)

    If your current way of eating cannot feed you 2500 Cal, it obviously cannot work for you long term as a 6ft normal weight person.

    How many calories does a lightly active person of your height and age+1 eat at a BMI of 24.9 to maintain?


    That's what you need to develop!

    So yes I disagree with the reflexive advice of just add more caloricslly dense foods.

    No. Spend your weight loss time figuring out normal eating, eating when stressed, when in a hurry, with family, with friends.... some easy go to staples... you have a lot of thinking to do and an arsenal to build!!!
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    Update on the journey
    Day 56 : Down to 28.8 pounds lost, only 1.6 more pounds to go before I reach my "first goal", 280pounds is what I had set in my mind as a first "victory" thing!
    Calories wise... I have not been able to eat 2 000 calories a day for the past week I still eat roughly 1 600. I have a few things going on in my life right now that aren't going like I would want to. That makes me sort of sad and makes me avoid food...
    Fortunately I can channel that negative energy into workouts and getting out of the house, which is good for my weight loss... Hopefully everything is well soon.
  • slowregal661
    slowregal661 Posts: 19 Member
    Update : Day 95, 46 pounds down!
    I've gotten used to the new eating habits, and the weight is dropping by itself, feeling/looking much better.

    One thing i'm not sure about, is once i'm down to my desired weight, (about 30 more pounds), how will it be to maintain the weight? Will it just slow down and be alot more manageable? I'm currently eating about 1800 calories a day, and still dropping 2 pounds a week.

    Can any1 share a weight loss + maintaining story?

    Right now, I know I will reach my weight, there is no doubt, and it doesn't matter how long it'll take, i'm more worried about maintaining it later on.

    Thanks!
  • digestibleplastic
    digestibleplastic Posts: 27 Member
    Great question.

    As someone who has gone from obese to normal weight to obese again, I am a cautionary tale, and I'm approaching my weight loss TOTALLY different this time.

    When I lost the weight, and got extremely close to a normal weight for my height, I lost it at a rate of 1.5 lbs per week.

    This was way. Too. Fast. My body did not adjust to this, I didn't give it time to. And when I entered maintenance when I got to a Normal BMI, my body DID NOT want to maintain. I was doing extremely unhealthy things just to try to maintain a normal body weight at that point.

    Now, even though I am obese and can healthily lose 1 lb+ per week, I refuse. My strategy for the first 30 days of MFP logging was to *maintain* my obese weight. I did that, with no fluctuations. Once I 100% knew what my maintenance calories were (about 2000 per day), I reduced them by 200 to 1800 per day and I'm doing light exercise (walking / yoga) daily. I lost about 2 lbs in the first two weeks, but I attribute that to water weight fluctuations.

    Currently I'm on day 44 and aiming for a 0.5 lb a week loss AT MOST. I'm also keeping my goals realistic, not thinking about "ultimate goal weight!"

    Every 5 lbs I lose, I am going to re-evaluate my intake/burn rates and adjust MFP accordingly to make sure I don't lose faster than that.

    Apologies for writing a book, but I truly believe that slow and steady "wins" the race 🐢