Can you anyone explain this?!! Seems absurd.

collectingblues · May 2020

wander_lustxo wrote: »

collectingblues wrote: »

wander_lustxo wrote: »

PAV8888 wrote: »

Forget veteran at dieting status other than to consider what did not work in the past so you should be looking to do it differently

Water weight is entirely possible to account for most

You are also extremely likely not in a significant deficit yet

The walking is great. Absolutely to be encouraged.

Currently only about 40% of these calories are not already included in your hourly allotment of 1.25*BMR that mfp gives you at sedentary. In fact, you have to engage in about ~45 minutes of moving around the house to fulfill the sedentary level. This has to be considered, though aiming for 2lbs a week may be initially counterproductive

So I typically do a 30-40 minute workout every single day that includes cardio and strength training and then a 2 mile walk. I don’t sync my exercise to MFP because I’m not sure how accurate the calories are so I just changed my activity level to lightly active. Should that suffice?

I would be very very surprised if you were getting 900 calorie burns from that amount of exercise.

Not on average but that particular day I worked out twice and walked 2 miles. I had 90 minutes of excercise and I’m not a skinny girl. I’m asking for help and insight, I have no reason to lie. That won’t help me in the long run.

I’m not saying you’re lying. I’m saying whatever you are using for these estimates may be giving you bad information. And with that bad information, that’s part of how you’re gaining weight.

PAV8888 · May 2020

wander_lustxo wrote: »

So I typically do a 30-40 minute workout every single day that includes cardio and strength training and then a 2 mile walk. I don’t sync my exercise to MFP because I’m not sure how accurate the calories are so I just changed my activity level to lightly active. Should that suffice?

I don't particularly think that you major issue is in calculating the calories out (at least not based on what has been discussed so far). The issue is much more likely to be with the logging of Calories in.

That said: If EVERY SINGLE DAY involves 30-40 minutes of cardio and strength training AND a 2 mile walk or more AND you don't want to use the MFP method of accounting for these things separately from your everyday activity -- for the record I like the MFP method of splitting things between things that happen every single day and things that may or may not happen every day and this is circumventing it -- then, based on your description, you would be near the top of lightly active/low end of active in terms of calories spent for the day depending on what else you do all day.

If you want to log things separately like MFP encourages you to, but are looking for "level of "reasonable" eat back" of what may be overstated calories because of large exercise numbers based on gross calories spent - then you could use the above information to double check what would be expected daily expenditure numbers (i.e. total calories spent for the day) given the level of activity we have discussed.

youngmomtaz · May 2020

I eat keto. Primarily to controlling migraines but it really just makes me feel overall better. I have maintained, gained, and now that I have been given the go ahead to lose again(group of health issues dictated maintenance for a bit until we got meds and such sorted) I am weighing my food on a kitchen scale again and measuring the wine I drink in a measuring cup before dumping it into my glass and I am losing.

Weigh it all. Keto still requires less calories consumed than you are burning. That is easiest done by accurate weiging and logging of food you eat. You can do this!

I understand working out hard. I used to run half and full marathon distances. Plus boot camp workouts, etc. I worked hard. I still run about 2-3miles 4-5 times a week, hike regularly at least weekly and up to 20miles/day some summer weekends, dog walks daily a minimum of 2miles, lift 4-5 days a week. If I do not weigh and log I do not lose. Calories are easily forgotten/hidden.

NorthCascades · May 2020

wander_lustxo wrote: »

collectingblues wrote: »

wander_lustxo wrote: »

PAV8888 wrote: »

Forget veteran at dieting status other than to consider what did not work in the past so you should be looking to do it differently

Water weight is entirely possible to account for most

You are also extremely likely not in a significant deficit yet

The walking is great. Absolutely to be encouraged.

Currently only about 40% of these calories are not already included in your hourly allotment of 1.25*BMR that mfp gives you at sedentary. In fact, you have to engage in about ~45 minutes of moving around the house to fulfill the sedentary level. This has to be considered, though aiming for 2lbs a week may be initially counterproductive

So I typically do a 30-40 minute workout every single day that includes cardio and strength training and then a 2 mile walk. I don’t sync my exercise to MFP because I’m not sure how accurate the calories are so I just changed my activity level to lightly active. Should that suffice?

I would be very very surprised if you were getting 900 calorie burns from that amount of exercise.

Not on average but that particular day I worked out twice and walked 2 miles. I had 90 minutes of excercise and I’m not a skinny girl. I’m asking for help and insight, I have no reason to lie. That won’t help me in the long run.

It can be hard to tell on the internet because words on a screen don't have stuff like tone of voice. But people don't think you're lying.

A lot of people in here have been through the same basic thing. Almost nobody gains weight deliberately. Most of us have been surprised how easy it is to do accidentally even when you're trying to be mindful. People are sharing hard won insight with you.

bmeadows380 · May 2020

The example that hit home for me was almonds. A serving size of almonds fits in the middle of the palm of my hand and averages around 200 calories (I'm estimating here). If I'm eating almonds out of a canister and not as a single serving pack, I can very easily eat 5 or 6 servings at a time and not even bat an eye - that's 1,000-1200 calories and not even realize I'd had that much!

(which is also why I don't use almonds as a snack food.....)

VeryKatie · May 2020

Two things catch my eyes:

1) your calorie burn estimates seem excessively high. I suspect you are significantly overestimating how much you are burning. 40 mins of exercise (not even all of it cardio) plus walking is not going to burn 700 calories. Even 90 mins won't. How are you getting your estimates?

2) I'm curious why you are try a keto-ish diet when you don't plan to do it long term. How will you learn what normal portions are of foods you intend to eat in the future? I guess you didn't ask for opinions about this though. I'm likely over stepping.

My other thought:

Are you using the correct usda entries in your diary along with reasonable weighing? I'm wondering if the fat content is incorrect in your entries (the database has so many incorrect options) resulting in incorrect calorie amounts regardless of how you are measuring your food.

snowflake954 · May 2020

wander_lustxo wrote: »

collectingblues wrote: »

wander_lustxo wrote: »

PAV8888 wrote: »

Forget veteran at dieting status other than to consider what did not work in the past so you should be looking to do it differently

Water weight is entirely possible to account for most

You are also extremely likely not in a significant deficit yet

The walking is great. Absolutely to be encouraged.

Currently only about 40% of these calories are not already included in your hourly allotment of 1.25*BMR that mfp gives you at sedentary. In fact, you have to engage in about ~45 minutes of moving around the house to fulfill the sedentary level. This has to be considered, though aiming for 2lbs a week may be initially counterproductive

So I typically do a 30-40 minute workout every single day that includes cardio and strength training and then a 2 mile walk. I don’t sync my exercise to MFP because I’m not sure how accurate the calories are so I just changed my activity level to lightly active. Should that suffice?

I would be very very surprised if you were getting 900 calorie burns from that amount of exercise.

Not on average but that particular day I worked out twice and walked 2 miles. I had 90 minutes of excercise and I’m not a skinny girl. I’m asking for help and insight, I have no reason to lie. That won’t help me in the long run.

Don't get your back up---it won't help. The people posting are almost all experts. I've been here 7 yrs and can assure you of that. Now. What you're doing is not working. So it's time to change things up. It doesn't matter what you think SHOULD be happening--it isn't. The only way to find out where the problem is, is for you to start weighing and logging everything exactly. Once you've got that, the answers will come. What do you have to lose--except weight?

yirara · May 2020

collectingblues wrote: »

Gaining 47 pounds in six months means eating an extra 900 calories a day, essentially. Even though that seems like a lot, with fat-dense food, it is really easy to do it really easily if you aren’t WEIGHING and tracking every bit of food that goes in your mouth, and every beverage you drink (that has calories — tea and water exempt; even black coffee bas calories). That’s the equivalent of three tablespoons of oil, three servings of mayo, and a few glasses of wine. Or just two very very very generous helpings of peanut butter. Very easy to have those every day if you aren’t tracking and weighing.

Plus that was after going off keto likely. At a higher weight, 8-10lbs of those might very well be water weight.

Dani9585 · May 2020

snowflake954 wrote: »

Don't get your back up---it won't help. The people posting are almost all experts. I've been here 7 yrs and can assure you of that. Now. What you're doing is not working. So it's time to change things up. It doesn't matter what you think SHOULD be happening--it isn't. The only way to find out where the problem is, is for you to start weighing and logging everything exactly. Once you've got that, the answers will come. What do you have to lose--except weight?

Just thought this was a really great reply and wanted to make sure everyone saw it. Again. Besides the support from those experts, this is probably one of the best pieces of advice for those that are confused when they unintentionally gain weight/ aren’t losing weight.

nooshi713 · May 2020

2 miles of walking does not burn anywhere near 700 calories, more like 200.....

cmriverside · May 2020

snowflake954 wrote: »

Don't get your back up---it won't help. The people posting are almost all experts. I've been here 7 yrs and can assure you of that. Now. What you're doing is not working. So it's time to change things up. It doesn't matter what you think SHOULD be happening--it isn't. The only way to find out where the problem is, is for you to start weighing and logging everything exactly. Once you've got that, the answers will come. What do you have to lose--except weight?

Indeed. I have to say though, if in fact you ate enough to gain 47 pounds in that amount of time, that would be SO MUCH food. So I have to lean toward those who are saying to get a medical checkup. Could be all kinds of things, it's definitely not normal, no matter how much you are eating. You could know if you were eating something like a gallon of ice cream every other day - unless you're sleep eating!

Chieflrg · May 2020

There are no two ways about it. You were eating in a surplus. Guessing at mayonnaise and peanut butter servings(anything calorie dense) can be make a huge difference in calories.

If you were on keto, simply by reintroducing carbs into higher perhaps "normal" consumption will add water weight just because higher glycerine levels will favor it. This obvious doesn't mean you gained fat.

Though the scale number might be a more specific goal, most people find how clothes fit or appearance for a long term goal.

I would reintroduce the food scale and more accurate food logging for a three day period. Retrain your eye if you will.

I might also suggest to use a weight trend app if you are not already.

Think long term with short term corrections.

Strudders67 · May 2020

As asked by someone else above, how are you calculating your calorie burns?

Before the gyms closed, I used to regularly spend an hour and a half on the cross-trainer, plus I do at least a half hour walk every day (which is about a mile and a half). Even at my heaviest I never got anywhere near 900 calories for my exercise.

It's quite feasible that you are both overestimating exercise burn and underestimating food intake.

hipari · May 2020

Aside from the obvious questions regarding accuracy of logging and burn estimates, here's one to consider: you mention you have taken photos but don't notice a lot of change. How do you feel? I mean, honestly, do you feel fatter? Do you feel extremely bloated (like, for example, your fingers feel "tight" when you squeeze them into a fist)? Do you feel like it's spread throughout or is there a particular spot in your body that feels bigger?

I'm asking because if there is major water retention, it could be a sign of medical problems.

Another thing to consider in the realm of non-fat weight gains is bowel movements. I'm not suggesting you have a 47-lb dump waiting to happen (although how good would it feel after that?), but during this troubleshooting of your body it might also be good to pay attention to overall health and digestion.

Can you anyone explain this?!! Seems absurd.

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