Advice please
Svhmaddison
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Hi all, I think I’m beginning to feel the onset of some diet fatigue. I’m a serial yoyo dieter but since starting 7 weeks ago, I really want this to last and be the change to my lifestyle I should’ve done a long time ago.
I’m a 5’6 female, I currently weight 215 pounds. I’m breastfeeding my baby boy (8 months)- he’s my biggest motivator, I don’t want him to learn my poor habits and rubbish relationship with food.
I started the journey at 243lb. Ideally and realistically my goal would be 154lb.
I’ve been increasing my steps and started cycling. I aim to eat around 1600 calories a day currently based on the Scooby quick calorie calculator (I don’t have access to anything that’d tell me my bf% so cant do the accurate calculator currently).
Most of the time I’m happy meeting my targets but the last couple of days I’ve felt a bit deflated and feel hungrier than normal. I had a treat meal of pizza and felt guilty afterwards so the following day I ate 1200 calories to try and compensate. Not sure if that was the right thing to do..
I guess I just want some advice from you knowledgeable people really. I saw the fat2fit calculator which said to eat around 1800 calories as that would be my goal weight TDEE.
I do weigh myself daily and I’m content with my weigh loss and trend. I’m wondering if I should get into the mindset of a slower loss through a less aggressive deficit, but then I think I’m so big I can afford to lose quickly... not sure I’m rambling at this point!
I’m a 5’6 female, I currently weight 215 pounds. I’m breastfeeding my baby boy (8 months)- he’s my biggest motivator, I don’t want him to learn my poor habits and rubbish relationship with food.
I started the journey at 243lb. Ideally and realistically my goal would be 154lb.
I’ve been increasing my steps and started cycling. I aim to eat around 1600 calories a day currently based on the Scooby quick calorie calculator (I don’t have access to anything that’d tell me my bf% so cant do the accurate calculator currently).
Most of the time I’m happy meeting my targets but the last couple of days I’ve felt a bit deflated and feel hungrier than normal. I had a treat meal of pizza and felt guilty afterwards so the following day I ate 1200 calories to try and compensate. Not sure if that was the right thing to do..
I guess I just want some advice from you knowledgeable people really. I saw the fat2fit calculator which said to eat around 1800 calories as that would be my goal weight TDEE.
I do weigh myself daily and I’m content with my weigh loss and trend. I’m wondering if I should get into the mindset of a slower loss through a less aggressive deficit, but then I think I’m so big I can afford to lose quickly... not sure I’m rambling at this point!
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Many people find that restricting too much following a higher calorie day leads to the kind of thing that you're describing - it's been referred to as a "binge and restrict" cycle. At this point, it might be worth taking a few days where you eat at your goal to maintain just to get over the hump. At the very least I'd make sure I was eating to my goal and not doing additional restriction on top of that.
I'm not as familiar with the Scooby calculator -- is it taking your increased activity into account? Do you know how much of a deficit 1,600 is for you?
Am I right that you've gone from 243 to 215 in seven weeks? Is that an average of four pounds a week (which is super-aggressive!) or did you lose at lot at the beginning and it has since evened out?6 -
I think you need some help with your nutrition and calories.
1600 seems really low for breastfeeding, exercising woman.
Breastfeeding in itself adds about 500 calories per day to your requirements. Seems to me you should set your Goals to, "Lose one pound per week," add in 500 calories, and eat back those exercise calories too.
I would talk to your doctor for more guidance, but I do know that eating too little will affect your milk production. Now's not the time.10 -
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Also my diary won’t be insightful as I use Fitbit food diary since treating myself around a month ago.0
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Don't overcompensate today for yesterday's food. You want to build some new cognitive behaviors.
Don't even think about what you did yesterday, keep looking forward waaaaay into the future. Tiny steps for tiny feet. On a one day at a time basis you have at least 3 meals to look forward to. Start thinking of every meal as your new beginning or brand new slate. You next meal is coming right around the corner. There's only choices and consequences. You choose to hit your goal stats and data points for that meal. Then move on.
Don't overthink it. Don't look back over your shoulder or belabor what you did a day ago or 10 years go. It's already over. Life is too short to start the day with yesterday's broken pieces.8 -
Svhmaddison wrote: »Also my diary won’t be insightful as I use Fitbit food diary since treating myself around a month ago.
I don't think we need to see your diary - my main concern is that you aren't accounting for your increased activity *and* your breastfeeding in your calorie goal.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Many people find that restricting too much following a higher calorie day leads to the kind of thing that you're describing - it's been referred to as a "binge and restrict" cycle. At this point, it might be worth taking a few days where you eat at your goal to maintain just to get over the hump. At the very least I'd make sure I was eating to my goal and not doing additional restriction on top of that.
I'm not as familiar with the Scooby calculator -- is it taking your increased activity into account? Do you know how much of a deficit 1,600 is for you?
Am I right that you've gone from 243 to 215 in seven weeks? Is that an average of four pounds a week (which is super-aggressive!) or did you lose at lot at the beginning and it has since evened out?
@janejellyroll - Yes.1 -
1600 seems low.
Do not over restrict to make up for a binge! It leads to a really toxic cycle of over-restricting and binging. If you have a day where you eat over your calories you don’t need to make up for it the next day, you just go back to your normal routine.5 -
I’m getting to grips with actually writing on here so apologies I don’t know how to reply individually yet 😂
I lost the weight quite quickly initially, I was literally stuffing my face constantly prior to starting on all the wrong types of foods, so I think a lot of the initial loss was probably water weight! The Scooby calculator was one id seen recommended on here so thought I’d give it a go, it was based on the 25% reduction of TDEE (which I’m since learning is too aggressive).
The weight loss has since averaged out to 2 pound a week which I’m happy with but only if it’s going to be sustainable which it doesn’t feel currently, so I’m thinking it’s time to aim for maybe 1.5-1 pound per week?
I think I’m at a point where I’ve read loads to try keep myself motivated but I feel like I’ve read so much I now feel clueless! Sorry if I sound silly. Maybe I should think about eating the more sustainable 1800 (something like that) figure from fat2fit, I believe that figure is also the TDEE for my goal weight so something I need to learn to achieve for the long term anyways when I’m eventually (hopefully) at the point where I need to maintain.
Thanks so much for all the replies so far!3 -
Forgot to add! As for breastfeeding, I wasn’t sure I had to account for extra calories for this as baby is also eating solids now and I didn’t know if my body needed the extra calories because I’m large. Again sorry I sound so dim, I’m genuinely not clued up in this area I tend to learn from these sorts of forums.
I had spoke with my doctor about planning to lose weight and was quoted the standard 1400 calorie goal that the NHS weight loss plan prescribes (I’m from the UK).0 -
Svhmaddison wrote: »Forgot to add! As for breastfeeding, I wasn’t sure I had to account for extra calories for this as baby is also eating solids now and I didn’t know if my body needed the extra calories because I’m large. Again sorry I sound so dim, I’m genuinely not clued up in this area I tend to learn from these sorts of forums.
I had spoke with my doctor about planning to lose weight and was quoted the standard 1400 calorie goal that the NHS weight loss plan prescribes (I’m from the UK).
If baby isn't exclusively breastfeeding, you may want to back off the calories a bit. Try the 1800 calories. If you still feel hungry, walk it up to 1900. Keep an eye on your weight loss. Find the happy spot between enough calories to keep you satiated, and acceptable weight loss.8 -
What about joining Weight Watchers? A lot of health insurances will pay for it and if you follow it it's guaranteed to work.0
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I’d followed SlimmingWorld before calorie counting. I much prefer the flexibility of this and it feels like something I can realistically stick to.7
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I totally get your problem right now, because I, and I suspect pretty much everyone or most people here, have gone through the same at various points. For me, it's happened multiple times over the past year. No matter how well a diet is going, no matter how well you've ironed out what foods you enjoy and how to eat them within your calorie limit, no matter how motivated you were at first and still kinda feel, diet fatigue does set in.
It seems clear enough that 1600 isn't doing it for you right now. You don't have to bump it up forever and permanently, but right now you'd be better off with a few hundred more calories per day for a while rather than getting into the dreaded binge and restrict cycle.
Suggest you go to the MFP Goals too, bang in your age, gender, height, weight, etc., tell it you want to lose 1 lb per week, and eat however many calories it tells you to eat. For a while. You might well be able to go back to 2 or 1.5 lbs/week down the road but right now you need a break from the intensity. Just embrace it. If you don't feel like doing the MFP Goals too thing, then just bump that number up to 1800 or 1900 for a couple/few weeks.
One thing I think I've learned is that diet fatigue cannot be beaten back through brute force. It's your body and brain telling you to take your foot off the gas and it's exceedingly difficult to overpower, if that's possible at all. You are much better off listening to your body and brain and giving yourself some more food. In the long run, what's 1 or 2 pounds not lost over a 2-3 week period if it helps you stay on track.
Like others above, I highly recommend not trying to make up for calorie overages from past days. There's only one direction in a diet, forward, and only one thing that matters, today. Everything that happened right up until this moment is irrelevant to what you do next. If you shortchange yourself on calories to punish yourself for what you did yesterday, you are likely to binge and get frustrated and then binge again. Just stay the course. 1800. 1900. MFP's suggestion. Whichever you pick. Just pick a higher number that's a bit less demanding than you've been doing, and plow forward.
EDIT: If it helps any for perspective, I started with 1600 calories too, in June '19, and happily and successfully did that for around 5 months. Plus, I was kinda cheating on the exercise, in that I was eating back a quite small percentage of my exercise. I dropped weight very fast and was very motivated. I took a ton of before/after photos and reveled in all the praise from friends and family. It seemed so easy and I felt so empowered and successful. Then one day in December, and I have no idea why, I got diet fatigue. All at once. I hadn't been dissatisfied, or hungry, or in desperate need of a pizza. I was just suddenly tired of dieting. I almost lost it with a 2-3 week binge/restrict cycle and then tried to regroup. It didn't work, not at 1600. I upped it to 1700 and that still didn't work. I now eat 1850 plus 80 % of my exercise, and I am back on track. I couldn't begin to articulate why I was once happy with 1600 day after day after day but all of a sudden couldn't hit 1600 at all, not even for a single day, but there it is. Diets are weird that way. Instead of losing 2+ lbs/week, I now lose around 1, and it doesn't sound like a lot but here's the thing: I am still losing weight, a year later, and not yo-yoing and regaining. So I think my point here is, more calories and a slower loss rate is no bad thing; it might be the key to staying on course. Try to take the emotion and self-doubt out of the equation and deal with it as a simple algebra problem. Your body and brain want a new number, a higher number, so give them what they want.11 -
I've tried the over-today-under-tomorrow trick and it only lasts just so long and leads to needing to give up and start over frequently. Really, unless you're one of those folks following a true high-day/low-day combo, it just leads to trying too hard to meet calorie numbers exactly. What we are trying to do is teach ourselves to eat in a way that results in our weighing an appropriate amount, however you define that, long term. I had a carbohydate/fat mini-binge last night -- a post-diary extravaganza of eating the few remaining cookies in the house and un-measured amounts of roast nuts -- in other words, a version of the kind of post-supper snacking I've done all my life. I'm trying to learn from this and apply what I've learned. I've learned that a carb-heavy/sweet dessert at supper results in ravenous snacking through the evening. I know this about me. I'm trying to make a habit of using that knowledge to keep my snarfing food under control. Last night has come and gone. It will delay my weight loss journey by a day or two but I can't undo it. I can only learn to prevent its happening with reckless abandon. I must develop a different set of habits for dessert after supper, habits that don't lead to post-diary over-snacking.3
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Thanks for this ☺️ Reflecting a bit and I think a lot of the diet fatigue feelings have largely come from yesterday’s cut in calories! I think in future I’m going to eat more (a couple hundred) calories if needed and if I have a slight splurge going over I’ll just chalk it up to experience and move on.7
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Svhmaddison wrote: »Thanks for this ☺️ Reflecting a bit and I think a lot of the diet fatigue feelings have largely come from yesterday’s cut in calories! I think in future I’m going to eat more (a couple hundred) calories if needed and if I have a slight splurge going over I’ll just chalk it up to experience and move on.
Good plan. There is nothing wrong with having a couple/few hundred extra calories now and then. Doesn't have to be a scheduled thing, doesn't (and shouldn't) have to involve emotions, regret, second-guessing, all that stuff. It's just food. If you have normally have a 750 calorie deficit, eating an extra 300 calories still leaves you with a solid weight loss day. This "not black and white" approach is so much better than struggling to hit a calorie target as it morphs into Unobtainium and leaves you frustrated and open to binging.8 -
I know everyone is different. But I am the same height as you and currently 136 lb. I can maintain at 2000-2100 with my desk job. I suspect your tdee would be higher than 1800. How much do you lose per week on average (not counting first 3 weeks) eating 1600 calories? Remember that the Scooby calculator doesn't have the option for breastfeeding (i use the same calculator).
And when i was breastfeeding an 8 month old thats at least 300 calories more a day. Assuming you don't supplement with formula and baby is already eating decently on solids. More if baby isn't big on solids yet. Up to about 450 a day if baby is 100% breastfed.
While breastfeeding, it isnt advised to eat less than 1800 calories a day (La Leche League), the milk needs the nutrition (otherwise it could be leeching too many vitamins and minerals out of your blood/bones you need for yourself - as long as your supply didn't drop dont worry, no harm to babe for the short while). I suggest bumping up to at least that level to start, if not higher. The low calorie goal combined with breastfeeding is probably why you are feeling a bit run down from it. That and you have an 8 month old and thats not easy either. That 1800 calories would apply to women shorter than you as well, so thats why I say even going higher than 1800 might be an option for you. But you could start with 1800 and see how that goes too. The only thing is remember this then accounts for your calorie burn from breastfeeding. You didnt mention if you log nursing as exercise and eat those calories back or not. I assumed you have not been adding them and eating back the calories.
Possibly related... I always have a problem with feeling hungry after pizza. There isn't enough protein in it for me to feel full from it unless I eat a lot. Are you getting enough protein, fat and fibre in your diet, generally? These things help one feel full.4
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