I hate whole foods
JoelAguirre94
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I want to diet but I hate whole goods. It's frustrating that everybody makes eating whole foods look easy.
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Then eat food you like. What does “Whole Foods” mean?9
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I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs
I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit. 16 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »What does “Whole Foods” mean?
I thought they meant the store...
OP: A diet is what you eat. Nothing more or less. If you like your diet now but havent seen much progress to lose weight then you should change your diet. If you dont like cooking from scratch and that is what you mean by "whole foods" then... I dont know what to tell you. Eating processed foods just because its easier makes me think you need to change more than your diet to get to where you want to be.
Good luck. Sorry about the tough love6 -
moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..10 -
For weight loss, you have to eat the right number of calories. You can do that without eating whole foods. (Some people find it hard to feel full without some of what I'd call whole foods, but I'm not sure what your definition is.)
For health, you also need well-rounded nutrition most days. Unless you have an unusually broad definition of "whole foods", it should be possible to do pretty well nutritionally without eating "whole foods". You need a certain minimum amount of protein, a certain minimum amount of fats, and a decent intake of micronutrients (vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, etc.). Personally, I'd find it hard to get the micronutrients without eating at least some veggies & fruits, but those come in lots of forms, and you can get part way there with supplements (I don't recommend that, but it's better than nothing).
What do you mean by "whole foods", and why do you think they're necessary?
I wouldn't personally recommend it, but people have lost weight eating crazy things. (There's the "Twinkie diet" guy, I've heard about a guy who lost weight eating nothing but McDonald's food, and then there's this guy who not only lost weight but also got pretty ripped eating huge amounts of what many people would call junk food: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=141807961&p=822484731#post822484731).)7 -
I agree with you 100%. Food is fuel. As someone with a host of autoimmune issues I can help or hurt myself with food.RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
BUT, this is a weight loss site, and not everyone likes “healthy foods” or has the desire to make drastic diet changes in order to see results.
ETA: My husband had to learn to eat vegetables, and had it not been for my influence likely never would have made the effort. He grew up on beanie weenies, spaghetti Os, and hamburger helper. His sister still eats no vegetables. Spaghetti/pizza sauce/ketchup, corn, potatoes. That’s the closest she comes. Not an exaggeration.
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moonangel12 wrote: »
I agree with you 100%. Food is fuel. As someone with a host of autoimmune issues I can help or hurt myself with food.RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
BUT, this is a weight loss site, and not everyone likes “healthy foods” or has the desire to make drastic diet changes in order to see results.
ETA: My husband had to learn to eat vegetables, and had it not been for my influence likely never would have made the effort. He grew up on beanie weenies, spaghetti Os, and hamburger helper. His sister still eats no vegetables. Spaghetti/pizza sauce/ketchup, corn, potatoes. That’s the closest she comes. Not an exaggeration.
I totally agree and also have autoimmune (SLE Lupus) and other things but feel so much better eating vegetables, tofu/ tempeh, plant protein, avocado, nuts, etc. Herbs and teas- food is my medicine5 -
RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
well, yes, extreme diets would lead to malnutrition - if I never ate any fruit or vegetables I could get scurvy or other diseases of vitamin deficiency.
If I lived entirely on chocolate and cheerios, I would almost certainly become anemic as well.
But poster was not advocating that.
and it is very possible to have a nutritious overall diet and still eat some cheerios and chocolate
You dont have to eat a of diet 100% nutrition rich whole foods, to be healthy
Disclaimer: obviously if a food is one you are allergic to or a medical condition precludes you from eating it at all, that is different.
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RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
She DIDN'T mention that's all she ate. I eat regular ice cream, chips and chocolate everyday. It's planned and measured. But I also endure I eat enough protein, carbs and fat to balance everything out along with getting the correct RDA for vitamins and minerals. You can eat whatever you want to once you meet your bodies RDA and health needs as long as you're not going over calorie limit.
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I don't know how to eat in a calorie deficit.4
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JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I don't know how to eat in a calorie deficit.
well that is the whole idea of MFP - you set your stats and desired rate of loss (be realistic here) and then MFP tell you how many calories to eat and to eat back excercise calories (some people find the excercise counts are inflated and eat back half or so- but definitely eat back at least some.)
Weigh and measure all food so your calorie logging is accurate.
and read the stickies at the top of the forum sections - starting with the Getting Started section.
and ask questions if you get stuck.
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JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I want to diet but I hate whole goods. It's frustrating that everybody makes eating whole foods look easy.
do you mean whole foods like whole foods???? unprocessed?? or the store??2 -
I don't really eat a lot of whole foods, if you mean raw, largely unprocessed stuff. But that's a pretty huge range of things.
I eat a lot of mac 'n cheese, instant mashed potatoes, frozen pizzas, etc. You can get all your nutrition and eat reasonably well just eating out of boxes and cans.
But like. You don't even like chicken or ground beef? Zero veggies? Lettuce? Bread?8 -
I like chicken and ground beef. I hate lettuce. I like bread. I get the impression that chicken and ground beef aren't considered whole foods.0
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pancakerunner wrote: »JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I want to diet but I hate whole goods. It's frustrating that everybody makes eating whole foods look easy.
do you mean whole foods like whole foods???? unprocessed?? or the store??
I mean unprocessed foods.0 -
JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I like chicken and ground beef. I hate lettuce. I like bread. I get the impression that chicken and ground beef aren't considered whole foods.
What's going to happen to you if you don't eat whole foods?0 -
I won't loose weight.1
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I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.1
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JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I like chicken and ground beef. I hate lettuce. I like bread. I get the impression that chicken and ground beef aren't considered whole foods.
You can lose weight eating chicken and ground beef. Most people would consider chicken whole food, I think; and ground beef isn't far from it, at most. People will differ on whether ground beef is a whole food.
But who cares? You can eat chicken, ground beef, and bread and still lose weight, as long as your calories are at the right level (and quite a range of levels will be OK, as long as at least slightly fewer calories than you burn, and enough that you don't lose weight so fast it's dangerous.
Which foods you eat is more for nutrition/health and so you feel full on fewer calories.
You personally get to decide which foods help you feel full. It's different for different people.
Nutrition means getting enough protein and fat, plus vitamins, minerals and some other stuff like that. Chicken and ground beef have protein, and fat, so good there.
Are there any vegetables or fruits you like? It's good to get a variety, but they don't need to be exotic, and it's fine to eat the kind that are steam-in-bag, for ease. Potatoes count, as one. (Especially good if you eat the skin.) Potato chips/fries tend to be high in fat so hard to fit into calorie goal in meaningful portions very often and still get good nutrition, but you can figure out whether they fit in for you. Do you like any others, like carrots, peas, tomatoes (even tomato sauce is fine), green beans, etc? Apples (even applesauce), bananas, oranges? It doesn't have to be fancy exotic stuff.
Lettuce is 100% optional. Most lettuce isn't super-duper high in nutrition, despite being a whole food. Yes, it has some nutrients (especially the vitamin/mineral stuff), but some people like it because they think it tastes good, is filling for them personally, and has hardly any calories.
Really, for weight loss, whole foods don't matter, unless you personally need some in order to feel full.
Even for nutrition and health, you don't have to eat entirely and only whole foods.13 -
What do you like to eat, specifically? Just eat that, but less of it.9
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JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.
The best way (the ONLY way) is to eat fewer calories than you burn. It doesn't matter what you eat. You could eat nothing but twinkies and lose weight (it has been done). I would not recommend a twinkie diet but would also recommend you start ignoring the crap you find on youtube from people trying to sell you something.
Eat a variety of food - just make sure it is less than you burn (MFP will handle this for you). Eat what you like. Try to get enough protein and healthy fats. Don't worry about the rest.
FWIW - I eat chocolate ice cream and drink Mt DEW almost every day. As long as it fits in your calorie goal (and doesn't make the majority of you diet), anything acceptable.15 -
JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.
YouTube is, overall, a terrible source for nutritional information.16 -
What do you like to eat?1
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JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I like chicken and ground beef. I hate lettuce. I like bread. I get the impression that chicken and ground beef aren't considered whole foods.
You can lose weight eating chicken and ground beef. Most people would consider chicken whole food, I think; and ground beef isn't far from it, at most. People will differ on whether ground beef is a whole food.
But who cares? You can eat chicken, ground beef, and bread and still lose weight, as long as your calories are at the right level (and quite a range of levels will be OK, as long as at least slightly fewer calories than you burn, and enough that you don't lose weight so fast it's dangerous.
Which foods you eat is more for nutrition/health and so you feel full on fewer calories.
You personally get to decide which foods help you feel full. It's different for different people.
Nutrition means getting enough protein and fat, plus vitamins, minerals and some other stuff like that. Chicken and ground beef have protein, and fat, so good there.
Are there any vegetables or fruits you like? It's good to get a variety, but they don't need to be exotic, and it's fine to eat the kind that are steam-in-bag, for ease. Potatoes count, as one. (Especially good if you eat the skin.) Potato chips/fries tend to be high in fat so hard to fit into calorie goal in meaningful portions very often and still get good nutrition, but you can figure out whether they fit in for you. Do you like any others, like carrots, peas, tomatoes (even tomato sauce is fine), green beans, etc? Apples (even applesauce), bananas, oranges? It doesn't have to be fancy exotic stuff.
Lettuce is 100% optional. Most lettuce isn't super-duper high in nutrition, despite being a whole food. Yes, it has some nutrients (especially the vitamin/mineral stuff), but some people like it because they think it tastes good, is filling for them personally, and has hardly any calories.
Really, for weight loss, whole foods don't matter, unless you personally need some in order to feel full.
Even for nutrition and health, you don't have to eat entirely and only whole foods.
What? I thought to eat whole foods Aunt Granny we had to learn to use the suns energy directly as fuel?!?! lol
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RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
Can I ask how it would cause malnutrition? What if I ate 2000 calories of highly nutritious foods, but 500-800 not so nutritious ones. Do my little treats cancel out the other foods? So for example if I ate exactly what you eat plus an ice cream bar, why wouldn't we have the same nutrition? I would have more calories and might be happier, but I fail to see the difference.12 -
JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.
For most people, getting to a healthy weight, and staying there, makes a far bigger improvement in their health (and future health risk) than does specific food choices.
I'm assuming you're not eating in some highly unusual, extremely non-nutritious way** right now. Just eat that, but less, to hit your calorie goal. If you log your food, watch your food diary and see what "costs" you more calories than the good you get out of it (taste, filling, etc.). Eat less of those things, more of something you like that fits better. That's all there is to it.
Honestly, there are people on YouTube saying all kinds of nutty things (flat earthers, and whatnot). Ignore them.
Now, I'm not saying the "eat whole foods" people are the same as flat earthers. It's fine and can be very healthy to eat all whole foods, as long as the foods add up to good overall nutrition. (It's possible to eat all whole foods and still have an unhealthy overall diet, BTW.) But it's not even remotely necessary to eat whole foods and nothing else in order to have a reasonably healthy diet.
And it's 100% not necessary to eat whole foods in order to lose weight. You could lose weight eating nothing but spoonfuls of white sugar, as long as added up to fewer calories than you're burning. Something tells me you don't want to do that anyway. It certainly wouldn't be a a good idea for nutrition or health, and you'd probably be profoundly hungry all the time . . . but if you stuck to it, you'd lose weight, at least until malnutrition kicked in enough to make you sick (which it would eventually, if you ate *only* sugar . . . which I'm sure you won't).
** For example, there was a fad YouTuber pushing eating pretty much only bananas (which *are* a whole food). That's not good nutrition. If you eat in an average sort of way now, and haven't had major nutritional deficiencies, it's fine to keep eating those things, just fewer calories.2 -
JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.
They're wrong.
The best way -- only way long term -- to lose weight is to consumer fewer calories than your body uses.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »JoelAguirre94 wrote: »I've watched people on YouTube and read articles that say that the best way to loose weight is eating only whole foods.
They're wrong.
The best way -- only way long term -- to lose weight is to consumer fewer calories than your body uses.
True... so true, buuttt there are easier ways and harder ways to do that...5 -
RockingWithLJ wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »I have successfully lost 30 lbs this year with plenty of Cheetos and chocolate in my logs I physically feel better NOT eating them, but weight loss is 100% possible with the foods you currently eat, no matter what they are, as long as you are in a deficit.
I hate this thinking. How you fuel your body and what nutrition you give it is everything to a healthy lifestyle... Keeping a crap diet but eating less of it is just a crummy way to live and will cause malnutrition..
She DIDN'T mention that's all she ate. I eat regular ice cream, chips and chocolate everyday. It's planned and measured. But I also endure I eat enough protein, carbs and fat to balance everything out along with getting the correct RDA for vitamins and minerals. You can eat whatever you want to once you meet your bodies RDA and health needs as long as you're not going over calorie limit.
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You can’t really eat “anything you want” within the boundaries you mention and be as healthy as you could be. There is hidden extra nutrition in so many common “superfoods.” Eating 100 calories of a hamburger bun and a multi-vitamin vs 100 calories of blueberries is a very different thing. Blueberries, one of the healthiest foods you can eat (preferably organic) supply all sorts of micronutrients and antioxidants that you can’t get even in vitamin supplements. Food can be medicine supplying you with cancer and disease fighting nutrients, help your skin and hair and have so many wonderful benefits. I spend a lot of time googling food nutrition and focus on eating the most nutritious food possible. I find that I hardly ever crave unhealthy food because I feel so much better when I eat high nutrient food. Once you learn what amazing things certain foods can do for you, it feels so good to know that you are taking care of your only body the best way you can!
Dark chocolate with a high cacao content is actually really healthy in moderation and even a superfood with many hidden nutrients so if that’s what you eat, great! But chips are mostly full of preservatives and chemicals and most commercial ice cream also has tons of additives and chemicals. If you made your ice cream in an ice cream maker or better yet, frozen yogurt, or made your own chips from scratch or bought organic low salt chips with only healthy ingredients, that would be fine in moderation. But most commercial foods are filled with chemicals and preservatives that are worse than the actual food and counter-balance any healthy food you eat. I think it’s really pre-packaged food that’s the most dangerous and causing so much obesity, diabetes, heart problems and cancer in current times.5
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