Lifting glove advice
JessiBelleW
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Hi team,
Today I managed to deadlift 60kgs / 130lbs, but couldn’t manage more due to grip. Gym suggested buying gloves.
Does anyone have any tips about what I am looking for? What makes a good glove?
Today I managed to deadlift 60kgs / 130lbs, but couldn’t manage more due to grip. Gym suggested buying gloves.
Does anyone have any tips about what I am looking for? What makes a good glove?
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gloves will, in essence, make the bar larger and likely more difficult to grip, not easier.
are you using chalk (like a gymnast)? that would be the first suggestion.
second suggestion would be a hook or alternating grip.
last would be straps.4 -
My personal shopping requirements:
Good fit (no bunching), tacky grip textile material and not leather (they can stink like dead fish after a while!), good hand/finger wrist coverage as cold bars can trigger my Raynaud's and my blood supply switches off.
Current ones have wrist straps too which is useful for me for big pressing movements as I mashed up my wrists a few years ago.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07CN8RZPZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Alternatives to gloves are chalk, weight lifting straps, working on your grip strength and experimenting with different grip techniques. Guess patience is also an option but who has the time for that?
(Of course you can wear gloves and still keeping working on improving your grip, they aren't mutually exclusive.....)
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Were your hands slipping off of the bar, or was your grip just too weak?0
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JessiBelleW wrote: »
Get some liquid chalk. I personally wouldn't wear gloves unless your hands are getting torn up.1 -
Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.1
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JessiBelleW wrote: »
Chalk if your gym allows it, anti perspirant if they don't.....2 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it0 -
I use some called "tacky gloves" from Walmart. They can be for cycling or lifting. Using an alternate grip really helps. Chalk is also good if your gym allows it. I started wearing gloves when my hands were getting pinched and calloused from deadlifts and pullups.2
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I use straps. You can get them at any sporting good store.0
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Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them2 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Good call.2 -
I use versa grips. I’m not bothered about increasing my grip strength. Versa grips aren’t cheap but they work well.0
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Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them
Yes I’ve got the beginnings of calluses too - I assume if I lift more they’ll get bigger/ more prominent0 -
Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them
Unless you're chasing lifting numbers. I deadlift 585 with no straps or gloves but if I put gloves on, that added diameter and the movement of the material between my hands and the bar would actually reduce my grip and I wouldn't be able to pull the same amount. There's a reason powerlifters don't use gloves. But, if you're just trying to have a quick easy way to protect your hands and get past sweat, they're fine.2 -
JessiBelleW wrote: »Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them
Yes I’ve got the beginnings of calluses too - I assume if I lift more they’ll get bigger/ more prominent
My trainer says if you don't have calluses then you aren't really lifting!! LOL
I'm quite the diva
and I do not like calluses my grip strength sucks so I wear gloves and use straps for DLs. I lift 225 lbs.
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Chalk will help grip; when you can't do double-overhand, switch to mixed grip. When mixed grip starts to fail, it's time for straps.
Gloves are only useful to over an injury.0 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure2 -
so improving grip strength while holding something perpendicular to the shoulder does not translate to improved grip strength while holding something parallel to the shoulder?
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
...because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
interesting...
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so improving grip strength while holding something perpendicular to the shoulder does not translate to improved grip strength while holding something parallel to the shoulder?
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
...because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
interesting...
Yeah, I understand that farmer walks won't necessarily add #'s to your deadlift, but they WILL help you hold onto it if that's your issue.0 -
I found that bottoms-up kettlebell carries helped my grip strength enormously.0
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Yeah, I understand that farmer walks won't necessarily add #'s to your deadlift, but they WILL help you hold onto it if that's your issue.
i’m having a hard time grasping the concept that grip strength is not universal...
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Yeah, I understand that farmer walks won't necessarily add #'s to your deadlift, but they WILL help you hold onto it if that's your issue.
i’m having a hard time grasping the concept that grip strength is not universal...
Maybe try farmers walks?0 -
JessiBelleW wrote: »Hi team,
Today I managed to deadlift 60kgs / 130lbs, but couldn’t manage more due to grip. Gym suggested buying gloves.
Does anyone have any tips about what I am looking for? What makes a good glove?
Very petite female here with very short hands (<6") - for me, gloves made things worse from the small increase in diameter (YMMV).
For grip (as in not slipping versus grip strength): I found this stuff preferable to the liquid chalk (works well, without the messiness - so also not likely to get you in trouble at a no-chalk-allowed gym) -- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00476MDU8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
For my working weight (at which point mixed grip no longer works well enough for me), I use VersaGrips (saw the recommendation on these boards some time ago by another smaller-handed female). They work amazingly well.0 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them
Unless you're chasing lifting numbers. <snip> But, if you're just trying to have a quick easy way to protect your hands and get past sweat, they're fine.
I'd agree that if you are trying to lift MAX weights that it probably would be better to do so w/just your bare hands and chalk/staps as needed/allowed.
I'm way beyond trying to lift max weights anymore. In fact, I hardly ever lift anymore.
That has more to do w/my age (70) and physical condition/appearance (which I'm happy w/the way it is now) which is based on all of the lifting I did before and the daily physical conditioning that I continue to get on my C2 rower.
However, when I was lifting "heavier," I preferred to use gloves/straps (rather than bare hands w/chalk (which I have) and/or straps because it was more comfortable to do so and because (at least for me) it did not seem to affect how much weight I could deadlift which, in my 60's when I weighed what I still do now (155-160), was a DL max of 400# (which was a lot of weight for a man my age/size).
I also wear/wore gloves when doing any other kind of lifting, rowing or any other physical exercise that requires me to hold something in my hands. Just feels better to me.
However, as someone mentioned above, the "fit" of the gloves is very important. I use fingerless leather palmed/nylon backed climbing gloves and have found that the tighter the fit, the better and usually buy 1 size smaller than I normally wear to make sure the gloves fit tightly (even if they stretch a bit after use).
Anyway, IMO, for "most" people, wearing gloves will make no difference at all, except make lifting a bar more comfortable and help prevent caluses from forming for those people who do not view caluses as a badge of merit.
For other people, who are believe that they are impaired from lifting MAX weights (whether that's actually the case or not) because gloves negatively affect their grip, there's nothing "wrong" going bare handed and w/chalk and/or straps (as needed or desired).
It just depends on your needs/goals.2 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
Sorry, but no. Farmers carries will absolutely help with grip strength. Your forearms don't care in what position they are relative to bar. For example, I do farmers carries with a tractor tire. It absolutely transfers to my deadlift.2 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
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so improving grip strength while holding something perpendicular to the shoulder does not translate to improved grip strength while holding something parallel to the shoulder?
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
...because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
interesting...
It doesn't translate with specificity. The key word that is being overlooked. If your deadlidt grip is slipping, we don't take a deadlift slot out and add farmer carries slot as a default if our goal is to increase deadlift grip. Simply better options out there.0 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
Sorry, but no. Farmers carries will absolutely help with grip strength. Your forearms don't care in what position they are relative to bar. For example, I do farmers carries with a tractor tire. It absolutely transfers to my deadlift.
Better than more deadlifts?
Please post both training blocks with farmer carries and without notes of how you came to this conclusion.
The point you and others are missing is I'm not saying farmer carries don't have their place. The best place might be a strongman or people who gave a goal of doing farmer carries.
You are saying they develop grip strength as am I, so your arguement is missing my point which is deaflift grip practice is better for deadlifts than farmer carries. Why not train efficient?
Dr J Feigenbaum a extremely strong deadlifter along with Dr A Buraki would argue that your body does care how you train with relation to body positioning.0
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