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Bone broth question...
discolady74
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A new place near my home popped up that serves bone broth. I've heard of it, tried to understand why people would drink it, but I kinda wanted to know if anyone out there has tried it and is it something you do often? Do you use it to replace meals or snacks?
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Bone broth is chicken, turkey, or any type of leftover bones cooked in water. It is a good base for soups or stews. Have you had soup or stew? Then you have had bone broth.9
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L1zardQueen wrote: »Bone broth is chicken, turkey, or any type of leftover bones cooked in water. It is a good base for soups or stews. Have you had soup or stew? Then you have had bone broth.
This. It's also called stock. Or (when clarified) consumme, which we used to have when I was a kid -- the from a can kind, I think it was something easy/comforting/not hard to eat when we were sick. https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-consomme-995766#:~:text=Consommé (pronounced "con-som,or "concentrated" in French.
It has few cals, so I wouldn't replace meals with it. It might work as a low cal snack if you find it tasty. (I don't snack, but I do make and use stock in soups and stews).7 -
You normally don't drink any both (beef or chicken, which are the main ones) "straight" unless you make a consumme w/it.
Boths are generally used as a base for soups or for braised meat dishes, ususlly beef or poultry.
Chicken broth is used in all kinds of dishes but I mainly use it to make various soups, such as lentil, split pea, cauliflower, chicken and rice and chicken gumbo among others.
Beef both is always an ingredient used to make dishes as such beef stew, pot roast and braised oxtails, and can also be used to make hearty soups like beef & barley.4 -
Broth is a nutrient dense superfood that a lot of people who follow a paleo/keto lifestyle enjoy regularly. There are tons of people who actually do drink broth by itself (I'm one of them!). When it is prepared properly, it contains lots of vitamins and minerals as well as glucosamine and chondroitin. Broth is known to be very healing particularly to the stomach lining. People drink it regularly as a part of a healthy lifestyle to heal a leaky gut or maintain a healthy gut. If you want some more information about broth, check out this article on the Weston Price website:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/why-broth-is-beautiful-essential-roles-for-proline-glycine-and-gelatin/
I hope this helps!6 -
Try some and see what you think. It's a food, like other foods, and is not a miracle--it has no effect on "leaky gut" which isn't a thing (you would die if your guts were leaking).
It is tasty and low cal, and can have nutrients if made properly. There are lots of recipes, and like making your own bread, can be complicated and time consuming--hence the stores that sell it ready made.10 -
Lemurcat and headkayce, thank you. I do remember consomme as a kid, and I have always loved sipping broths instead of having noodles and small pieces of veg or meat in it.. thank you for the kinks you both provided. I'm going to check them out. And Snowflake, yes, there is such thing as leaky gut.1
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I believe in holistic health but much of the information out there on bone broth overpromises and under delivers. It's no magic bullet.16
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Broth is a nutrient dense superfood that a lot of people who follow a paleo/keto lifestyle enjoy regularly. There are tons of people who actually do drink broth by itself (I'm one of them!). When it is prepared properly, it contains lots of vitamins and minerals as well as glucosamine and chondroitin. Broth is known to be very healing particularly to the stomach lining. People drink it regularly as a part of a healthy lifestyle to heal a leaky gut or maintain a healthy gut. If you want some more information about broth, check out this article on the Weston Price website:
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/why-broth-is-beautiful-essential-roles-for-proline-glycine-and-gelatin/
I hope this helps!
OP, I'd be very skeptical of links from the Weston A. Price Foundation -- they are a conduit for sources of misinformation, including about Corona.19 -
Unless I am on a (medically required) liquid diet or fasting for religious reasons I see no point in drinking stock when I can use it to make soup. However, when I am on a liquid diet it is MUST have. I can only eat so much jello.
I have never done zero calorie fasts. Mine have always been juice fasts.
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janejellyroll -- thank you for the heads up on that website. I appreciate it!3
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janejellyroll wrote: »
OP, I'd be very skeptical of links from the Weston A. Price Foundation -- they are a conduit for sources of misinformation, including about Corona.
^ So. Much. This.
Bone broth is just broth made from bones. Like it has been forever. It's not a superfood, it doesn't have any curative powers - especially 'leaky gut' because that's not even a real thing.
It's just broth. I use it as a base for soups and stews, just like I always have. It's yummy.
What makes me laugh is what some stores are charging for their store-made 'Bone Broth' just because it's the latest caboose on the woo-woo train.
Did I mention it's just broth?
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
^ So. Much. This.
Bone broth is just broth made from bones. Like it has been forever. It's not a superfood, it doesn't have any curative powers - especially 'leaky gut' because that's not even a real thing.
It's just broth. I use it as a base for soups and stews, just like I always have. It's yummy.
What makes me laugh is what some stores are charging for their store-made 'Bone Broth' just because it's the latest caboose on the woo-woo train.
Did I mention it's just broth?
I've seen small containers selling for $7-9 in my city. Absolutely ridiculous.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
I've seen small containers selling for $7-9 in my city. Absolutely ridiculous.
PT Barnum would be proud.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »It's just broth. I use it as a base for soups and stews, just like I always have. It's yummy.
What makes me laugh is what some stores are charging for their store-made 'Bone Broth' just because it's the latest caboose on the woo-woo train.
This drives me crazy too.2 -
But but it’s MAGIC!!! I thought I could use it to grow a bean stalk? That won’t work?!?!
I would like a refund! 😂😂😂😂3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
^ So. Much. This.
Bone broth is just broth made from bones. Like it has been forever. It's not a superfood, it doesn't have any curative powers - especially 'leaky gut' because that's not even a real thing.
It's just broth. I use it as a base for soups and stews, just like I always have. It's yummy.
What makes me laugh is what some stores are charging for their store-made 'Bone Broth' just because it's the latest caboose on the woo-woo train.
Did I mention it's just broth?
"Leaky Gut" has become a synonym for all the garbage advice out there all over the internet from guys like "Dr Axe" claiming that bone broth cures everything under the sun. While I vehemently disagree with some of his "medical" advice, it has been scientifically proven that the stomach is permeable. And in certain people, more so.
We have to be careful when we say "leaky gut isn't a thing", because technically, that's not true. What is true is that of all the "leaky gut" advice out there, 99% of it is utter and complete BS.
I do a lot of technical recruiting. The microbiome space is one area that I work. Just one example. There is a bacteria called Akermansia Municiphilia (I might have spelled it wrong). That bacteria has been shown to assist in creating a more tight junction in the stomach. Ocean Spray actually did a study on it years ago because Cranberries help this one bacteria flourish in the stomach. That's why there's some truth to what a guy like Stephen Gundry says about Polyphenols being critical to your health (but there's a lot I disagree with him on, especially how everyone needs to buy his supplements at $60 a jar).
I'm also celiac. Part of the reason I get sick is that gluten increases the permeability of my stomach (that's scientifically demonstrated).
I don't want to get into much more or find the studies, but they are readily available.13 -
The stock I formerly bought in the supermarket tastes like there might have been a bone in the room somewhere. The stock I make myself with chicken bones is so much richer, and that I make from beef bones is out of this world.
I wonder if the super expensive bone broth is made more like how I make it.
(For chicken stock I fill my crock pot with bones, cover with water, bring to a simmer, and cook on low for 10 hours or so.)12 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »
^ So. Much. This.
Bone broth is just broth made from bones. Like it has been forever. It's not a superfood, it doesn't have any curative powers - especially 'leaky gut' because that's not even a real thing.
It's just broth. I use it as a base for soups and stews, just like I always have. It's yummy.
What makes me laugh is what some stores are charging for their store-made 'Bone Broth' just because it's the latest caboose on the woo-woo train.
Did I mention it's just broth?
But it IS a superfood! Like one grocery owner said, “Anything you can make for practically nothing, package for pennies, and sell for $6 is SUPER!”
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What drives me crazy about the rebranding, beyond the prices that get charged, is the idea that it's this magical new wellness thing that only a select club know about. It's stock. Definitely can be magical as a way of making tasty soups and stews, but also something homecooks have been making forever. It's also medicalizing just basic food.
Reminds me of how some are now turning turmeric and, of course, apple cider vinegar from delicious ingredients used in some cuisines or dishes into superfoods that people take basically as medicine or for their allegedly magical properties. That said, at least plain stock (and consommé) tastes reasonably good.7 -
On "leaky gut" (extremely trendy term among the paleo folks, from what I recall), I found this useful: https://badgut.org/information-centre/a-z-digestive-topics/leaky-gut-syndrome/
"...In this article, we will answer some questions you may have about leaky gut syndrome and reveal some of the dangers of diagnosing and treating a condition for which there is no medical evidence.
A Hint of Truth – Intestinal Permeability
In some individuals, for a variety of reasons, the physical structure of their intestines is compromised. The tight junctions, which control what materials the intestine absorbs, don’t work properly, allowing larger substances (but still very small) to cross over into the bloodstream. This is known as intestinal permeability.
Physicians sometimes find increased intestinal permeability in those who have Crohn’s disease, celiac disease, in individuals receiving chemotherapy, and those who have a high intake of bowel-damaging substances such as aspirin and alcohol. However, intestinal permeability is a symptom of these ailments, not a cause; it does not lead to anything more than inflammation of the bowel walls, and it is not leaky gut syndrome. Furthermore, research shows that increased intestinal permeability sometimes has beneficial effects, such as improving water and nutrient absorption as well as activating the immune system.
The Myth: According to the proponents of leaky gut syndrome, bacteria and toxins enter the bloodstream through these defective tight junctions and wreak havoc throughout the body, causing bloating, gas, cramps, inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), as well as fatigue, food sensitivities, joint pain, moodiness, irritability, sleeplessness, autism, and skin problems like eczema and psoriasis.
Debunked: This is all speculation, as scientific studies do not validate any of these claims. It is extremely dangerous that a TV doctor personality and some otherwise trusted practitioners are diagnosing and treating this baseless ‘syndrome’.
Suggested Treatments Range from Bogus to Dangerous
The Myth: Many ‘solutions’ that leaky gut syndrome proponents recommend are based in fad diets, which declare that normal foods cause serious problems in most people. For instance, proponents of leaky gut syndrome recommend that patients avoid any foods with high sugar content (including both processed sugary foods and fresh fruits), claiming that the excess sugar causes an overgrowth of a certain strain of yeast in the GI tract that is responsible for the damage to the intestinal wall. In addition, they say that (unverifiable) sensitivities to gluten or lactose damage the intestine, and they recommend avoiding all dairy products and anything containing gluten....
Another issue in this field is that many people in the popular media who support this unverified condition try to sell special products as a treatment for leaky gut syndrome. They offer unproven treatments for a condition that has no medical basis. Additionally, since many of these supplements haven’t been well researched, taking them could cost you a lot of money, do little to reduce your symptoms, and could even be dangerous....
Whatever you hear in the media, the fact remains that there is no quality research to support the existence of ‘leaky gut syndrome’. The situation becomes especially dangerous when you consider that the symptoms associated with this disorder are present in a number of other illnesses, so a quick diagnosis of leaky gut is more likely to leave patients untreated for what really ails them...."13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »
"Leaky Gut" has become a synonym for all the garbage advice out there all over the internet from guys like "Dr Axe" claiming that bone broth cures everything under the sun. While I vehemently disagree with some of his "medical" advice, it has been scientifically proven that the stomach is permeable. And in certain people, more so.
We have to be careful when we say "leaky gut isn't a thing", because technically, that's not true. What is true is that of all the "leaky gut" advice out there, 99% of it is utter and complete BS.
I do a lot of technical recruiting. The microbiome space is one area that I work. Just one example. There is a bacteria called Akermansia Municiphilia (I might have spelled it wrong). That bacteria has been shown to assist in creating a more tight junction in the stomach. Ocean Spray actually did a study on it years ago because Cranberries help this one bacteria flourish in the stomach. That's why there's some truth to what a guy like Stephen Gundry says about Polyphenols being critical to your health (but there's a lot I disagree with him on, especially how everyone needs to buy his supplements at $60 a jar).
I'm also celiac. Part of the reason I get sick is that gluten increases the permeability of my stomach (that's scientifically demonstrated).
I don't want to get into much more or find the studies, but they are readily available.
"Leaky gut" is an interesting example of the general principle that pseudo-science and quack medicine can really flourish in the spaces where there is real human suffering, but we don't yet understand all the causes or effective treatments.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
I've seen small containers selling for $7-9 in my city. Absolutely ridiculous.
Add "Organic" to the label and you can double that.
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And the piece de resistance?
Yup. Let that sink in.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »And the piece de resistance?
Yup. Let that sink in.
Wait what?!?! How is bone broth VEGAN?!?! I’m so confused right now 😂😂😂2 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »And the piece de resistance?
Yup. Let that sink in.
Its made from the bones of vegans. Fe fi fo fum....17 -
Dogmom1978 wrote: »Wait what?!?! How is bone broth VEGAN?!?! I’m so confused right now 😂😂😂
Get in line.
It's actually just veggie broth trying to cash in on all the bone hype.
"Ever tried bone broth? This vegan bone broth recipe is made in the instant pot and has tons of health benefits! It's also gluten-free and good for your gut."
Ah, the trifecta of pretense!
I have a bone to pick with them.
If you think I'm kidding, Google "Instant pot vegan bone broth." It's the first hit.
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I started making bone broth at home a few years ago and reading all the supposed health benefits which I now believe are overhyped. I started using it as a base to soups/stews/curries etc and found using the homemade stuff made my cooking taste SO much better! I haven’t been able to go back to store bought because of this and I figure if there is health benefits then that’s just a plus.
It’s actually pretty easy and cheap to make yourself, I would never buy it in stores, I’ve seen some in Australia selling for like $20 a jar7 -
My wife makes bone broth every week. I do believe there are health benefits but yes they are likely overblown. Buying pre-made bone broth at stores or restaurants is likely really expensive. My wife will buy cheap bones from the market and use the instant pot to make it into broth.
I'll drink a cup of bone broth every other day or so. I don't drink it for its health benefits - I drink it because it tastes so damn good!!!!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »And the piece de resistance?
Yup. Let that sink in.
My daughter is vegetarian. I've looked at some of these recipes. I believe they are more geared toward collagen production. That's allegedly why bone broth is supposed to be good for you. It has lots of glycine in it. But that's where the science gets suspect on bone broth. Even though glycine is a building block of collagen, the science of whether or not eating collagen makes more collagen is iffy.
The vegan versions concentrate on other things known (and in some cases more scientific) in helping to either improve gut health or make collagen. The Sunwarrior new "Collagen" mix has Horsetail extract in it. Though I don't think that's the best source of absorbable silica, it has silica (or silicon) in it. Eating absorbably silicon is THE best way to help your own body make collagen. BioSil, Green Beans, some mineral waters, Bamboo Extracts and non-alcholic beer are the best sources of this. I try to eat Green Beans once a week. Fantastic for building collagen.
Changing the makeup of the human microbiome quickly is extremely challenging. One of the very few things that scientists have found that improves it quickly is seaweed (like Fucoidon, which is a brown seaweed derivative). Some of these "vegan broths" have seaweed.
I guess what I'm saying is there's likely more science behind some of the "vegan broths" or at least as much as actual bone broth.4 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »
My daughter is vegetarian. I've looked at some of these recipes. I believe they are more geared toward collagen production. That's allegedly why bone broth is supposed to be good for you. It has lots of glycine in it. But that's where the science gets suspect on bone broth. Even though glycine is a building block of collagen, the science of whether or not eating collagen makes more collagen is iffy.
The vegan versions concentrate on other things known (and in some cases more scientific) in helping to either improve gut health or make collagen. The Sunwarrior new "Collagen" mix has Horsetail extract in it. Though I don't think that's the best source of absorbable silica, it has silica (or silicon) in it. Eating absorbably silicon is THE best way to help your own body make collagen. BioSil, Green Beans, some mineral waters, Bamboo Extracts and non-alcholic beer are the best sources of this. I try to eat Green Beans once a week. Fantastic for building collagen.
Changing the makeup of the human microbiome quickly is extremely challenging. One of the very few things that scientists have found that improves it quickly is seaweed (like Fucoidon, which is a brown seaweed derivative). Some of these "vegan broths" have seaweed.
I guess what I'm saying is there's likely more science behind some of the "vegan broths" or at least as much as actual bone broth.
That makes sense. Thanks!
My only objection is the use of "bone" as a descriptor, here. Obviously done to piggy-back on a trend to which they simply shouldn't be laying any claim or association.
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