I need help!

I have been trying to lose weight for the last month and a half; lost 10 pounds in water weight (yay!) but now I have hit a plateau and cant get past it!!! I have done tons of research as to why I have and dont know what else to do before giving up.
I have lost 50lbs before (2 years ago) and am familiar with what is good vs bad (food and water wise) but gained it back with Covid and now I am desperately seeking help. I am to the point of pure breakdown.. 😔😔😔 any tips to get past a plateau??!!

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  • Fit_Happens_2021
    Fit_Happens_2021 Posts: 303 Member
    Good job on the 10lbs! How long has it been since you last saw a change on the scale? I'm asking because we sometimes think something is wrong when really it is still within the normal range of the start/stop - up/down of a normal weight loss pattern or trend.
  • bkw14900
    bkw14900 Posts: 6 Member
    Thank you so much everyone for your kind words! I now realize I worded my original post wrong.. I lost 10 pounds before I started cracking down on my diet a month and a half ago. So i havent lost any weight for about 6 weeks.
    I have recently started working out more so Im just really hoping im gaining muscle behind the scenes and my plan isn’t going to waste.
    I do plan to stick to it for the sake of my wedding dress fitting🤣 (and of course staying healthy)
    But seriously thanks for the support, it means a lot!
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,234 Member
    bkw14900 wrote: »
    Thank you so much everyone for your kind words! I now realize I worded my original post wrong.. I lost 10 pounds before I started cracking down on my diet a month and a half ago. So i havent lost any weight for about 6 weeks.
    I have recently started working out more so Im just really hoping im gaining muscle behind the scenes and my plan isn’t going to waste.
    I do plan to stick to it for the sake of my wedding dress fitting🤣 (and of course staying healthy)
    But seriously thanks for the support, it means a lot!

    More probably water retention from the exercise, needed for muscle repair. (Actual muscle gain is sadly very, very slow. Water weight increase is darned close to instant.)

    This might be a helpful read, for that potential and others:

    http://physiqonomics.com/the-weird-and-highly-annoying-world-of-scale-weight-and-fluctuations/

    Not losing for 6 weeks is getting into enough timespan to think about whether logging accuracy is what it needs to be. That's not a criticism: It's a skill, involves learning at first, for all of us. If you open your diary, even temporarily, some of the "old hands" could take a look, see if anything sticks out as a potential issue.
  • bkw14900
    bkw14900 Posts: 6 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    bkw14900 wrote: »
    Thank you so much everyone for your kind words! I now realize I worded my original post wrong.. I lost 10 pounds before I started cracking down on my diet a month and a half ago. So i havent lost any weight for about 6 weeks.
    I have recently started working out more so Im just really hoping im gaining muscle behind the scenes and my plan isn’t going to waste.
    I do plan to stick to it for the sake of my wedding dress fitting🤣 (and of course staying healthy)
    But seriously thanks for the support, it means a lot!

    More probably water retention from the exercise, needed for muscle repair. (Actual muscle gain is sadly very, very slow. Water weight increase is darned close to instant.)

    This might be a helpful read, for that potential and others:

    http://physiqonomics.com/the-weird-and-highly-annoying-world-of-scale-weight-and-fluctuations/

    Not losing for 6 weeks is getting into enough timespan to think about whether logging accuracy is what it needs to be. That's not a criticism: It's a skill, involves learning at first, for all of us. If you open your diary, even temporarily, some of the "old hands" could take a look, see if anything sticks out as a potential issue.

    Thank you! I appreciate that. I have opened my diary, hopefully someone can tell me what i need to do differently.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,234 Member
    Some of your logging looks like you're weighing food, but I'm not sure. There is some "per piece" or cup-type measurements in there. That's not inherently a problem, but if there's any approximating or eyeballing, tightening that up for a few weeks can help shed some light on what's going on.

    I'm concerned that you might be eating less than ideal, just based on the calorie levels logged, generically speaking. You seem to be below the minimum that would normally apply, even for a very petite, older, sedentary woman. Eating too little won't stop weight loss, but it can (surprisingly) slow it a bit, via subtle fatigue causing less calorie expenditure in daily life and things like slowed hair growth, etc. (Hair thinning before the wedding wouldn't be a good thing!). It can also lead to creeping water retention, sometimes a surprising amount, that can mask fat loss on the scale.

    How big are you (weight/height)? How active in daily life (job/chores)? Do you do any exercise at all - in the days I looked at, I didn't see any logged or eaten back?

    I see that you didn't log on Saturday or Sunday, and some of the other days are 700-800 calories. Are those days completely logged? If not, were there splurge days or meals in there? (That's not an accusation, just a question! 🙂). If there are some splurges, the calorie level of those may be a factor, but splurge-y things can also be higher in sodium or carbs. Sodium and carbs aren't evil, but they can add a little water weight for a few days at a time, and make it look like we're maintaining when fat loss is actually happening in the background.

    I see some beverages logged, but nothing in the way of condiments, sauces, cooking oils/fats, dressings: Is there anything of that nature that may've been overlooked? (The fats can be particularly sneaky, given how calorie dense they are!).

    I wouldn't be surprised if others have some thoughts, but that's just some impressions/questions based on a quick skim. Please don't take any of the questions as criticism, not intended that way at all. Maybe try to think of me as a concerned internet auntie (I'm for sure old enough! 😆) wanting to be clear and frank, wanting to see you succeed with your goals!

    Wishing you success, for sure!
  • callsitlikeiseeit
    callsitlikeiseeit Posts: 8,626 Member
    as per almost always, I second what Ann said.
  • bkw14900
    bkw14900 Posts: 6 Member
    Very good points!!!
    For the measurements, Its sometimes hard to find certain foods on here. I use the barcode a lot which could be the problem as to why its not a uniform measurements. I am very diligent on not eyeballing (so for example, if the serving size is 30 pieces, I count it out)
    I normally dont put in my exercise, it took me a while to figure out how to get my calories logged on my Apple watch, so I was finally able to log some calories in yesterday.
    I also don’t normally “cook”.. Im a busy person so most of the time I am eating premade items which doesnt consist of any dressings/cooking oils, but if I do log those. Yesterday I made chicken for the first time in forever so I did log in everything I used to make it🥳

    I also get into the habit of not logging in some days because I eat the same exact things sometimes. Normally just on the weekends as I dont have time to log or cook, so I find myself eating the same exact foods (foods that I already know what the calories are) I should get into the habit of actually completing my diary even if I know im within my calorie limit. I stick to about 1100-1200 calories a day, along with exercise.

    I will admit Wednesday is our normal “date night” and that is my splurge day, where I dont log in because I still feel SO guilty even though I know I deserve it.

    I get so many different mixed signals online with what is too many calories or not enough, or too much sugar or dont need to worry about sugar... it’s exhausting! So I really appreciate your advice and dont take anything personally🙂
    I weigh 179 and my height is 5’6”; I have a desk job so Im pretty sedentary until I get home, then I normally workout for 40 minutes 5 days a week.
  • csplatt
    csplatt Posts: 1,205 Member
    I tried to look at your diary but your account is set to private!
  • bkw14900
    bkw14900 Posts: 6 Member
    csplatt wrote: »
    I tried to look at your diary but your account is set to private!

    Weird! I have my diary open to the public... Let me try something else
  • The_Elephant_Man
    The_Elephant_Man Posts: 207 Member
    bkw14900 wrote: »
    csplatt wrote: »
    I tried to look at your diary but your account is set to private!

    Weird! I have my diary open to the public... Let me try something else

    @bkw14900 , I can see your diary and I looked at what you had yesterday and seems to be on point!!!
  • nanastaci2020
    nanastaci2020 Posts: 1,072 Member
    Do you use a food scale for solid foods? Using cups, spoons for solids can easily mean you're eating more than you think.

    If you are truly eating ~1200 on average daily, then the current lag on the scale is bound to be water weight. But using a food scale can help you firm up your accuracy. For items you eat often, weigh them to see if 38 pieces weighs what the package says it should.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,234 Member
    bkw14900 wrote: »
    Very good points!!!
    For the measurements, Its sometimes hard to find certain foods on here. I use the barcode a lot which could be the problem as to why its not a uniform measurements. I am very diligent on not eyeballing (so for example, if the serving size is 30 pieces, I count it out)
    I normally dont put in my exercise, it took me a while to figure out how to get my calories logged on my Apple watch, so I was finally able to log some calories in yesterday.
    I also don’t normally “cook”.. Im a busy person so most of the time I am eating premade items which doesnt consist of any dressings/cooking oils, but if I do log those. Yesterday I made chicken for the first time in forever so I did log in everything I used to make it🥳

    I also get into the habit of not logging in some days because I eat the same exact things sometimes. Normally just on the weekends as I dont have time to log or cook, so I find myself eating the same exact foods (foods that I already know what the calories are) I should get into the habit of actually completing my diary even if I know im within my calorie limit. I stick to about 1100-1200 calories a day, along with exercise.

    I will admit Wednesday is our normal “date night” and that is my splurge day, where I dont log in because I still feel SO guilty even though I know I deserve it.

    I get so many different mixed signals online with what is too many calories or not enough, or too much sugar or dont need to worry about sugar... it’s exhausting! So I really appreciate your advice and dont take anything personally🙂
    I weigh 179 and my height is 5’6”; I have a desk job so Im pretty sedentary until I get home, then I normally workout for 40 minutes 5 days a week.

    Thanks for replying.

    I feel like that's a very low calorie goal, especially with the workouts added but not eating back any of those calories.

    I started out at 5'5" and 183, and ate 1200 *plus* all exercise calories for a while, and that was too low for me (at age 59, while severely hypothyroid, BTW). I lost most of 50+ pounds in less than a year at 1400-1600 *plus* exercise.

    While eating too little doesn't halt fat loss, it can subtly sap energy, reducing calorie expenditure (including unconscious things like hair growth rate, body temperature, etc.); and it can cause creeping water weight gain on the scale that hides fat loss that may actually be happening (it's a stress effect, basically, from excess physical stress from the low calories and maybe sub-ideal nutrition as a consequence of low calories).

    It's not super uncommon around here for women who've been eating really low calories, as you are, to find that they actually have a "sweet spot" at a little higher calorie level, where those things don't cause problems so much, so they start seeing the scale drop (and often feel better, besides).

    As an aside, your weekly date night, while probably not enough calories to wipe out your whole deficit the rest of the week, may be bumping up scale weight a bit via water retention (part of metabolizing extra carbs & sodium, not fat gain, not worth worrying over). That will play peek-a-boo on the scale with ongoing fat loss for a few days to a week or so, too. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, I'm saying you should understand it, and not worry too much about it: The fat loss will show in longer term weight trends (over multiple weeks), even if daily weights don't clearly paint a picture.

    One thing for sure: Don't feel *guilty* about date night! It's just food, not sin, y'know? There's no reason to feel bad (burns no extra calories!). You can manage it, either just by keeping it reasonable (vs. treating it as a blow-out with a hall pass to get away with it), or by estimating it after the fact so you have an idea what the calorie level might be. (I bank calories most days, eating a tiny bit under goal, then spend those calories on an occasional indulgence, for example.)

    Now, one person's experience doesn't translate to another (I know my calorie needs are unusual in some respects, besides), but a TDEE calculator suggests your all-day calorie needs at your current size would be around 1800 or so, if sedentary (which is well < 5000 steps, BTW), and not even counting the 5 days of exercise, which is probably good for at least another couple of hundred calories. That would be to maintain your weight. Something around 1300 + all reasonably estimated exercise calories ought to get you about a pound a week loss on average, and I don't think you'd want to go lots faster than that, health-wise. I'm sure you want to arrive at the wedding day looking healthy and vivacious, not depleted and fatigued, let alone worrying about thinning hair or something.

    I'd strongly suggest that you set up your MFP profile for a pound a week, *maybe* 1.5 for a short time, basing your MFP activity level on your daily life (which may be sedentary, but many people with normal home chores and jobs get over >5000 steps or equivalent other movement, so would really be more like lightly active. Then, carefully estimate exercise calories, and log/eat at least a good chunk of those, too. Try that for a month (whole menstrual cycle so you can compare weights at the same relative point in 2 different cycles), see what results you get, then adjust eating based on that, to hit a sensible rate.

    As far as what you're reading online, there's a lot of nonsense out there. Some of it is written without the assumption that people will be *accurately* calorie counting, I think.

    The prohibitions on sugar (as an absolute) are, I think partly a misunderstanding of how insulin works in healthy people (may differ in diabetics), and partly because when not counting calories, cutting added sugar is a decent way to cut a bunch of calories (that don't bring much nutrition along for the ride). If a person calorie counts at a reasonable level, makes it a point to get semi-adequate protein, fat, and veggie/fruit intake, there's not going to be a lot of room left for "too much" added sugar. In a calorie-counting situation, I think it's more helpful to focus on calories and nutrition, vs. just "cut sugar".

    As far as calorie level, some of the difference is confusion between the MFP NEAT method (that estimates exercise separately), and TDEE (total daily energy expenditure) method (which averages exercise plans into daily calories right up front). Add to that the fact that different so-called "calculators" use different research-based formulas, maybe have different numbers/descriptors of activity levels, and yeah, different numbers come out. IME, it's rare to see difference bigger than 100-200 calories daily (once exercise is accounted for as per the method), which is a smaller number than a deficit for a pound a week loss, so not a weight-loss-killer by itself.

    If you pick a method (log exercise separately, or average it in), stick to the method and the goal it gives you, and do that for a month or so, then adjust . . . that will work. The so-called calculator just gives you a reasonable, research-based, average starting point. For most people, it will be close. For a few, it will be a little off (high or low). It's rare for the estimate to be really far off, though it can happen for a very few people (that's the nature of statistical estimates) . . . but the month's experiment, done with reasonable care, will give you a personalized estimate. You can go with that moving forward, adjusting similarly along the way if needed.

    Personally, I find using a food scale to be not only more accurate than cups or counting, but actually easier and quicker. Unless you think you might be a personality type that would stress over precision, I recommend it. For something like snacks or crackers, I find it way easier to put the bag/carton on the scale, zero it, then grab out what looks like a rational portion. The negative number on the display will be the amount you took out. You can match it to the package serving size if you like, but even then it's usually quicker than counting out 14 chips or something. That method is especially great for things like peanut butter: No extra cups or implements to wash, just put the jar on the scale, and do as above, using the knife you'd be spreading with. Another thing is building (say) a sandwich or salad with the plate on the scale, just zeroing between each ingredient to see what weight you're adding for each thing.

    A good scale only costs $15-20, and they're available everywhere from Amazon to Walmart and beyond. More accuracy, less time, fewer dishes to wash? To me, that's a win.

    I'm sorry, that was a long ramble. I'll stop now!

    Wishing you much success!
  • gillexplores
    gillexplores Posts: 151 Member
    Obviously, everything Ann said is great.

    Just to add some extra 'convincing' maybe, about the more calories - I am 26F, 5'3". I'm a (currently online) student), so I spend a lot of time sitting at my desk, but try to go for walks and get ~10,000 steps a day if I can, and I do 3-4 sessions of bodyweight/resistance band strength training a week. I'm currently 166lbs (SW 174lbs Jan. 13, 2021), and I can lose about 1-2lbs a week (my weight fluctuates a ton) on an average of 1800 cals/day.

    I know you have lost weight before, but I also have done this (MFP/calorie counting) before, and lost ~25lbs in three months in 2015. I don't know what it was like for you, but I'm including this as a cautionary tale - in my experience, severely restricting calories, as I did in 2015, ultimately just leads to bingeing, hating life and disordered eating/thoughts around food. I know you have your wedding coming up (congrats!), but being a certain size on one day of your life is not worth possibly doing damage to your body. I know you probably know all this already, but I just want to put it as a reminder and I hope you will take it in a positive way. Sending lots of hugs and good luck!
  • bkw14900
    bkw14900 Posts: 6 Member
    Do you use a food scale for solid foods? Using cups, spoons for solids can easily mean you're eating more than you think.

    If you are truly eating ~1200 on average daily, then the current lag on the scale is bound to be water weight. But using a food scale can help you firm up your accuracy. For items you eat often, weigh them to see if 38 pieces weighs what the package says it should.

    I unfortunately dont have one (really need to get one though!) I will look into that though, thank you!