Giving Up Carbs to lose Weight Good or Bad idea what do you think ?
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mpkpbk2015 wrote: »Speakeasy76 wrote: »I have never even attempted low-carb as it's something I could never maintain long-term. Also, not all carbs are created equal, so it's always odd to me how healthier carbs like broccoli and quinoa, for example, get lumped in with Twinkies.
I don't think they are. For low carbing, broccoli fits in fine (unless one is a big veg eater like me and struggling with some of the claimed keto requirements, but one can easily low carb and include any non starchy veg like broccoli, and if someone is low carbing I'd push them to get most carbs from non starchy veg). If one is merely low carbing and not trying to hit keto numbers, one can also fit in whole grains and whole food starchy carbs and the like. I think claims that quinoa is somehow superior to those foods are wrong (I think quinoa is fine but often overrated, but it would similarly fit). I'd classify Twinkies with dessert type junk foods that should be generally minimized and aren't that tasty anyway, but that would have little to do with low carbing--I'd say the same if not low carbing. And I don't know about Twinkies since I think there are way too many far superior dessert type foods (like gelato), but most of it is fat+carbs and weird to classify as simply "carbs." I like this very dark chocolate that is low sugar and carb but high cal and, well, a low nutrient dessert food, so even when low carbing I limit it.
not to but in - but I think Twinkies are waste of dessert calories. If your gonna have dessert have something that at least taste like something other than cardboard with filling. Just my humble opinion. Sorry just had to say that now I will go away. Night ladies.
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Being an avid runner, I can't cut carbs. I find the days I have lower carbs and go for a run, I have no energy as compared to when I have the amount of carbs I'm suppose to have. I find following my macros and eating my normal amount of calories keeps my weight maintained.1
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I've always had a very strong insulin response to both whole and processed grains, fruit (yes even with the fibre) and potatoes (sweet and white). Even whole oat oatmeal with sugar free protein powder and nuts/seeds would leave me feeling hypoglycaemic by lunchtime. I'd also get quite bloated on bread products. Once I got an office job, my weight just kept slowly creeping up. Coffee and tea make me feel hypoglycaemic as well. Also, buckwheat, quinoa, all the 'good' carbs. If I try to lose weight by reducing calories and leave these foods in my diet, all I think about is food because I feel hungry and hypoglycaemic all day (yes, even when I eat back my exercise calories). All that does is set you up for overeating, your little willpower is sitting on top of millions of years of evolution telling you to eat, it won't last long.
My Dad's side of the family (Northern European) all have this issue. My Mom's pound down bread and white sugar and feel fine. My partner is Chinese and eats carbs like they're going out of style (though he's both an accomplished hill cyclist and gets blood sugar dips).
The only time I lose weight, reduce/eliminate hunger and prevent my hypoglycaemia is by cutting out these products. A calorie is a calorie in the sense that it provides a specific amount of energy. A calorie is not a calorie in the sense that some foods are more likely to provoke a stronger insulin response. Higher insulin levels impair hormone sensitive lipase, the enzyme responsible for getting your body to burn its own fat stores. It's like your body can't 'see' that it's got plenty of energy reserves, and just makes you tired and crave carbs because that's essentially all it can burn.
I've noticed loads of other benefits as well:
1. Stable energy
2. Lower inflammation (my chronic plantar fascitis completely disappears after about 4 days)
3. Stable mood
4. Little to no anxiety
5. A clear, focused mind after the initial adjustment (about 7 days for me).
I don't eat this way as a fad because otherwise I feel sick on what national guidelines would call a 'healthy diet'. I drink broth (for sodium) if I start to feel achey or run down, and that fixes it. I supplement with two tablespoons of psyllium husk in the morning for fibre, no constipation. I also take a bit of carnitine, as that's been shown to help fat be utilized more efficiently by the mitochondria.
I don't eat 'dirty keto' ie bacon, burgers and cheese all day because it makes me feel bad and the nitrites/nitrates in cured meat and aromatase in grilled meat come with their own health risks. I eat a non-starchy vegetable based diet with meat and cheese and keto baking if I want it.
I should mention I am a nutritional therapist (see above for why I got into school in the first place!
) Not everyone on a vegan diet or high carb diet etc. experiences the same side effects I do; there's no one-size plan for every person in the world. There's also a low carb substitution for literally anything you can think of, if that's how you choose to eat.
I also have no intention of living on meat and vegetables if I go on holiday etc. I eat pastries and pizza and drink wine and then go back to this way of eating when I get back home (which is probably a good idea because I will be retaining 6-8 pounds of water weight by that time).
There's so much extremism in the health and fitness world. Eat keto and you can never have carbs ever again! You should be able to eat bread and potatoes and never feel hungry, you weakling! Calories in, calories out, you should be able to do cardio on 1200 calories even if you're weak from hunger and your vision is blurry and you want to cry from low blood sugar! I feel it's best to treat our bodies with compassion, and adhere to the diet that works best for us (long term!).
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I will say this about the Keto Flu.... It is real.
Especially for anyone going into a low carb diet for the first time. That's why it is usually stressed to stay below 20 carbs per day for the first 2 weeks. This is so you pass through this transition time as quickly as possible, cause once your body switches over most of the symptoms you mentioned disappear... Namely irritability, headaches, weakness, fatigue, and yes even food cravings quickly diminish (at least for me and my fiancé). if you doing it right and following the rules, generally it doesn't take longer then 5 days to completely switch over, even less once you have done it a few times. And I don't even experience it all when I transitioned 5-6 weeks ago. Some people say it can takes weeks or more, but I personally believe said people might be eating more carbs then they are aware of. (just my opinion)
Constipation can also be real... Never so bad for me that caused a concern. However I learned long ago, to just take a teaspoon of metamucil with my breakfast and that problem also dissappears. Now if you being extra stead fast, in eating fibre elsewhere, more the power to you. However this can be difficult, if also eating what would likely be a calorie reduced diet. So i say just do the metamucil and not have it be a concern.
Another issue I have had... Potassium and salt are very important on low carb. I would always get muscle spasms and cramping issues. Taking a potassium supplement every morning this time around, I have had no such issues.
And then there is gout. Gout can strike people on low carb diets.. Specifically if they are losing quite a bit of weight at a fast pass... I know it first hand. The cure, isn't a Prescription and it isn't changing your diet. Its simply being steadfast about drinking a ton of water. Uric acid in the blood is passed through the kidney's in your urine. If you don't drink the water you can't rid yourself of extra Uric acid which will begin to crystalize in your joints when concentrations reach a critical level. (Uric acid is by product of protein breakdown in your body.) Point is water will cure this problem completely.
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janejellyroll wrote: »"Keto flu" isn't caused by "detoxing" from sugar or carbohydrates, it's actually an electrolyte imbalance.
I've heard that before recently... But is this 100% fact? I see it being marketed by some electrolyte drink makers? But the timing and symptoms of keto flue and how all those symptoms leave at the onset of ketosis... Seem to tell me said symptoms are related more to your bodies stubborn switch to a Fat metabolism.
If you hit low carb extremely hard for even just 3 days... I would suggest most people would be in ketosis in that time frame and feel better if not even more energetic as ketones levels rise (specially for those with lots of fat reserves...) I personally get revved up so high, it's hard to sleep for a few days after I'm in ketosis until my body finds some balance.. But man am i buzzing positively with extra energy for a few days.
I also find that every additional time you move into ketosis get's easier and easier with less symptoms as your body is less resistant to the change.
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Poobah1972 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »"Keto flu" isn't caused by "detoxing" from sugar or carbohydrates, it's actually an electrolyte imbalance.
I've heard that before recently... But is this 100% fact? I see it being marketed by some electrolyte drink marketing? But the timing and symptoms of keto flue and how all those symptoms leave at the onset of ketosis... Seem to tell me said symptoms are related more to your bodies stubborn switch to a Fat metabolism.
If you hit low carb extremely hard for even just 3 days... I would suggest most people would be in ketosis in that time frame and feel better if not even more energetic as ketones levels rise (specially for those with lots of fat reserves...) I personally get revved up so high, it's hard to sleep for a few days after I'm in ketosis until my body finds some balance.. But man am i buzzing positively with extra energy for a few days.
I also find that every additional time you move into ketosis get's easier and easier with less symptoms as your body is less resistant to the change.
Yes...every gram of carbohydrate carries roughly 4 grams of water...when you reduce carbs to keto levels, you have a huge water dump resulting in electrolyte imbalances...that's basic human biology.9 -
cwolfman1 wrote:Yes...every gram of carbohydrate carries roughly 4 grams of water...when you reduce carbs to keto levels, you have a huge water dump resulting in electrolyte imbalances...that's basic human biology.
I understand you definately dump that water and electrolytes... But that doesn't necessarily mean it correlates directly to the symptoms and there severity. Perhaps it correlates more to certain symptoms then others for instance. All I'm suggesting is there is more then just electrolytes involved as your body adjusts to a fat burning metabolism.. granted Electrolytes are important, without them your heart would stop beating. Eeek.
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Here's another example... when i was deep into low carb and had already lost massive amounts of weight, we instituted a rare cheat day (was a bad idea)... Anyway following said day I would gain about 20 pounds over the next 2 days. (As I have the capacity to hold extreme amounts of water weight associated with glycogen. Then over the next 2 days I would lose all of that water weight to be where i started. I would not experience any flu like symptoms over this time.. even though I was purging my body of glycogen related water retention. This suggests to me, it's not just about electrolyte levels an purging of water weight, and also about your bodies willingness to quickly and easily transfer back into ketosis? At least it seems logical to me.0 -
mpkpbk2015 wrote: »My nutritionist told me to lower my carbs but said our brains need some carbs to work efficiently. She said to remember healthy carbs come from fruit etc. Not doughnuts and candy. Lol She had my number for sure.
Yea there are good and bad carbs for sure. She sounds like my mom. Thanks for sharing. Have a good evening.
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Poobah1972 wrote: »@cwolfman13
Here's another example... when i was deep into low carb and had already lost massive amounts of weight, we instituted a rare cheat day (was a bad idea)... Anyway following said day I would gain about 20 pounds over the next 2 days. (As I have the capacity to hold extreme amounts of water weight associated with glycogen. Then over the next 2 days I would lose all of that water weight to be where i started. I would not experience any flu like symptoms over this time.. even though I was purging my body of glycogen related water retention. This suggests to me, it's not just about electrolyte levels an purging of water weight, and also about your bodies willingness to quickly and easily transfer back into ketosis? At least it seems logical to me.
I don't think anyone is arguing that a temporary fluctuation of water weight will lead to "keto flu." I also will temporarily gain a fair amount of water weight following a high sodium day, but I don't experience any of the symptoms associated with "keto flu" over the next couple of days when it comes off.
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Poobah1972 wrote: »@cwolfman13
Here's another example... when i was deep into low carb and had already lost massive amounts of weight, we instituted a rare cheat day (was a bad idea)... Anyway following said day I would gain about 20 pounds over the next 2 days. (As I have the capacity to hold extreme amounts of water weight associated with glycogen. Then over the next 2 days I would lose all of that water weight to be where i started. I would not experience any flu like symptoms over this time.. even though I was purging my body of glycogen related water retention. This suggests to me, it's not just about electrolyte levels an purging of water weight, and also about your bodies willingness to quickly and easily transfer back into ketosis? At least it seems logical to me.
I have eaten keto many times in the past, for months at a time (so fully fat adapted) and I have NEVER experienced the keto flu, so how could it be the body adjusting to burning fat for energy?
Also, you should consider this (for people who are not eating in a keto fashion) - your body continually switches between buring fat and burning glucose to supply it's energy needs. With that being the case, what 'adjustment' is your body making to burn fat?2 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »I will say this about the Keto Flu.... It is real.
Especially for anyone going into a low carb diet for the first time. That's why it is usually stressed to stay below 20 carbs per day for the first 2 weeks. This is so you pass through this transition time as quickly as possible, cause once your body switches over most of the symptoms you mentioned disappear... Namely irritability, headaches, weakness, fatigue, and yes even food cravings quickly diminish (at least for me and my fiancé).
I think the focus on going immediately to under 20 (net?) is misplaced personally, and that it shouldn't be recommended to everyone as if it was something that needed to be done.
I usually eat somewhat low carb when on a deficit and occasionally when at maintenance. At a time when I was eating around 100 g net carbs, I decided to experiment with keto, and dropped my carbs to around 35 net (which given my level of activity should be low enough for ketosis). I had a slight issue with having less energy for about a week or so, until I adjusted (I felt this a little when running, as I'm a runner, but much more when doing something like running fast up stairs to catch a train). I had a slight headache at one point that I warded off with some salty water, but that was it.
I think under 20 as routine advice, even when it's net, is troubling advice since for me even 35 net made it hard to eat all the non starchy veg I like, while still eating a couple of servings of nuts and seeds plus some occasional plain greek yogurt, and for me I had to cut out all fruit other than avocados, even berries, to do it. (It is true that I like to have at least 10+ servings of non starchy veg.) I like to promote how keto absolutely can be done in a healthful way with lots of vegetables and sufficient fiber from one's food, but I don't think that's the case when one pushes such unnecessary low goals. (And I think it's much better to use a net vs total carb goal, since fiber is important.)
Anyway, I think reducing carbs more gradually can actually make it easier, at least for many people, and many may find they get the sought for benefits without having to go so low.3 -
A calorie is a calorie in the sense that it provides a specific amount of energy. A calorie is not a calorie in the sense that some foods are more likely to provoke a stronger insulin response. Higher insulin levels impair hormone sensitive lipase, the enzyme responsible for getting your body to burn its own fat stores. It's like your body can't 'see' that it's got plenty of energy reserves, and just makes you tired and crave carbs because that's essentially all it can burn.
Hmm.
First, a calorie IS a unit of energy, so it does not stimulate insulin release or have nutrients (another way that of course foods are not all the same). Essentially, you are using "calorie" as a synonym for "food," and thus arguing against a position no one would take. Foods, in many ways, are not all the same.
My less nitpicky disagreement, however, is that eating foods that lead to an insulin release (carbs, but also protein) does not lead to weight gain or prevent weight loss due to the insulin. Insulin does not prevent someone who is actually in a calorie deficit from losing weight, and cause that person to continue to add fat, as that would simply be impossible. You wouldn't specifically be burning fat immediately after eating, but that doesn't really matter, as you would burn the same amount of stored fat overall throughout the day.
Also, insulin does the OPPOSITE of preventing someone from "seeing" that they have plenty of energy reserves or making them tire or craving carbs, because in a healthy person it actually stimulates the production of leptin, and leptin is what communications that you don't need more food/reduces hunger.
Now, if someone is insulin resistant, that will interfere, but it is not because insulin has these effects, but the resistance in the cells interferes with the process such that leptin is not being released (or often someone is also leptin resistant).
As I've said elsewhere, I'm not anti keto and enjoy low(ish) carbing often, and find it makes a deficit easier since I tend to find protein + veg very satisfying without a need for a side starch (or with a small serving only), and because I feel less like I am cutting cals when I still have a good amount of fat in my diet, but I think it is important not to suggest that carbs are inherently bad for us or prevent weight loss or that lowering carbs inherently has some mechanical effect on us that makes weight loss faster or the like.
Individual humans may well find that eating lower carb is easier for them, especially re appetite control, of course, but not because carbs/insulin make burning fat impossible unless one cuts them way down.3 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »@cwolfman13
Here's another example... when i was deep into low carb and had already lost massive amounts of weight, we instituted a rare cheat day (was a bad idea)... Anyway following said day I would gain about 20 pounds over the next 2 days. (As I have the capacity to hold extreme amounts of water weight associated with glycogen. Then over the next 2 days I would lose all of that water weight to be where i started. I would not experience any flu like symptoms over this time.. even though I was purging my body of glycogen related water retention. This suggests to me, it's not just about electrolyte levels an purging of water weight, and also about your bodies willingness to quickly and easily transfer back into ketosis? At least it seems logical to me.
I have eaten keto many times in the past, for months at a time (so fully fat adapted) and I have NEVER experienced the keto flu, so how could it be the body adjusting to burning fat for energy?
Also, you should consider this (for people who are not eating in a keto fashion) - your body continually switches between buring fat and burning glucose to supply it's energy needs. With that being the case, what 'adjustment' is your body making to burn fat?
Yes, great and important point.
I suppose the argument could be that it's switching from glucose to ketones.
I am reasonably sure it's the fast water drop/electrolyte thing, however.0 -
Poobah1972 wrote: »cwolfman1 wrote:Yes...every gram of carbohydrate carries roughly 4 grams of water...when you reduce carbs to keto levels, you have a huge water dump resulting in electrolyte imbalances...that's basic human biology.
I understand you definately dump that water and electrolytes... But that doesn't necessarily mean it correlates directly to the symptoms and there severity. Perhaps it correlates more to certain symptoms then others for instance. All I'm suggesting is there is more then just electrolytes involved as your body adjusts to a fat burning metabolism.. granted Electrolytes are important, without them your heart would stop beating. Eeek.
If you look up the symptoms of electrolyte imbalances, they are exactly those of "keto flu". Switching energy sources from glucose to ketones could result in some fatigue and lethargy (keeping in mind though that the body is dual fuel...it is always cycling between glucose and fat for fuel)...but nausea, vomiting, headaches, etc are all symptoms of electrolyte imbalances. Many keto sites recommend significantly increasing sodium for the first few days for this very reason.
This happens to endurance athletes too when they neglect to replenish electrolytes during training or an event...that's why I had to be put on an electrolyte drip in the medical tent at one of my cycling events.2 -
A calorie is a calorie in the sense that it provides a specific amount of energy. A calorie is not a calorie in the sense that some foods are more likely to provoke a stronger insulin response. Higher insulin levels impair hormone sensitive lipase, the enzyme responsible for getting your body to burn its own fat stores. It's like your body can't 'see' that it's got plenty of energy reserves, and just makes you tired and crave carbs because that's essentially all it can burn.
Hmm.
First, a calorie IS a unit of energy, so it does not stimulate insulin release or have nutrients (another way that of course foods are not all the same). Essentially, you are using "calorie" as a synonym for "food," and thus arguing against a position no one would take. Foods, in many ways, are not all the same.
My less nitpicky disagreement, however, is that eating foods that lead to an insulin release (carbs, but also protein) does not lead to weight gain or prevent weight loss due to the insulin. Insulin does not prevent someone who is actually in a calorie deficit from losing weight, and cause that person to continue to add fat, as that would simply be impossible. You wouldn't specifically be burning fat immediately after eating, but that doesn't really matter, as you would burn the same amount of stored fat overall throughout the day.
Also, insulin does the OPPOSITE of preventing someone from "seeing" that they have plenty of energy reserves or making them tire or craving carbs, because in a healthy person it actually stimulates the production of leptin, and leptin is what communications that you don't need more food/reduces hunger.
Now, if someone is insulin resistant, that will interfere, but it is not because insulin has these effects, but the resistance in the cells interferes with the process such that leptin is not being released (or often someone is also leptin resistant).
As I've said elsewhere, I'm not anti keto and enjoy low(ish) carbing often, and find it makes a deficit easier since I tend to find protein + veg very satisfying without a need for a side starch (or with a small serving only), and because I feel less like I am cutting cals when I still have a good amount of fat in my diet, but I think it is important not to suggest that carbs are inherently bad for us or prevent weight loss or that lowering carbs inherently has some mechanical effect on us that makes weight loss faster or the like.
Individual humans may well find that eating lower carb is easier for them, especially re appetite control, of course, but not because carbs/insulin make burning fat impossible unless one cuts them way down.
Thank you for your insights from a personal and professional prospective. All very interesting and as I can see it generated some good discussion. Have a great day and stay warm it's pretty cold all over.✔1 -
mpkpbk2015 wrote: »A calorie is a calorie in the sense that it provides a specific amount of energy. A calorie is not a calorie in the sense that some foods are more likely to provoke a stronger insulin response. Higher insulin levels impair hormone sensitive lipase, the enzyme responsible for getting your body to burn its own fat stores. It's like your body can't 'see' that it's got plenty of energy reserves, and just makes you tired and crave carbs because that's essentially all it can burn.
Hmm.
First, a calorie IS a unit of energy, so it does not stimulate insulin release or have nutrients (another way that of course foods are not all the same). Essentially, you are using "calorie" as a synonym for "food," and thus arguing against a position no one would take. Foods, in many ways, are not all the same.
My less nitpicky disagreement, however, is that eating foods that lead to an insulin release (carbs, but also protein) does not lead to weight gain or prevent weight loss due to the insulin. Insulin does not prevent someone who is actually in a calorie deficit from losing weight, and cause that person to continue to add fat, as that would simply be impossible. You wouldn't specifically be burning fat immediately after eating, but that doesn't really matter, as you would burn the same amount of stored fat overall throughout the day.
Also, insulin does the OPPOSITE of preventing someone from "seeing" that they have plenty of energy reserves or making them tire or craving carbs, because in a healthy person it actually stimulates the production of leptin, and leptin is what communications that you don't need more food/reduces hunger.
Now, if someone is insulin resistant, that will interfere, but it is not because insulin has these effects, but the resistance in the cells interferes with the process such that leptin is not being released (or often someone is also leptin resistant).
As I've said elsewhere, I'm not anti keto and enjoy low(ish) carbing often, and find it makes a deficit easier since I tend to find protein + veg very satisfying without a need for a side starch (or with a small serving only), and because I feel less like I am cutting cals when I still have a good amount of fat in my diet, but I think it is important not to suggest that carbs are inherently bad for us or prevent weight loss or that lowering carbs inherently has some mechanical effect on us that makes weight loss faster or the like.
Individual humans may well find that eating lower carb is easier for them, especially re appetite control, of course, but not because carbs/insulin make burning fat impossible unless one cuts them way down.
Thank you for your insights from a personal and professional prospective. All very interesting and as I can see it generated some good discussion. Have a great day and stay warm it's pretty cold all over.✔
I'm actually about to go see if there's any way I can dig a path through the snow to my alley so I can take out some trash, as well as to see if there's any way I can get my car from my garage to the street (basically, how much snow is blocking it and how bad is the snow situation in the alley), since I have to go today or tomorrow to pick up medicine for my cat. So staying warm may not be in the cards, but I appreciate the thought, and you too!
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Agree with a lot. I don't think the focus should be on cutting carbs, but on increasing protein and fiber. Protein and fiber create work in your body being that they are thermo effective food macros (TEF). And when you increase protein and fiber, you naturally have to reduce carbs and fat to accommodate your slight caloric deficit.0
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mpkpbk2015 wrote: »A calorie is a calorie in the sense that it provides a specific amount of energy. A calorie is not a calorie in the sense that some foods are more likely to provoke a stronger insulin response. Higher insulin levels impair hormone sensitive lipase, the enzyme responsible for getting your body to burn its own fat stores. It's like your body can't 'see' that it's got plenty of energy reserves, and just makes you tired and crave carbs because that's essentially all it can burn.
Hmm.
First, a calorie IS a unit of energy, so it does not stimulate insulin release or have nutrients (another way that of course foods are not all the same). Essentially, you are using "calorie" as a synonym for "food," and thus arguing against a position no one would take. Foods, in many ways, are not all the same.
My less nitpicky disagreement, however, is that eating foods that lead to an insulin release (carbs, but also protein) does not lead to weight gain or prevent weight loss due to the insulin. Insulin does not prevent someone who is actually in a calorie deficit from losing weight, and cause that person to continue to add fat, as that would simply be impossible. You wouldn't specifically be burning fat immediately after eating, but that doesn't really matter, as you would burn the same amount of stored fat overall throughout the day.
Also, insulin does the OPPOSITE of preventing someone from "seeing" that they have plenty of energy reserves or making them tire or craving carbs, because in a healthy person it actually stimulates the production of leptin, and leptin is what communications that you don't need more food/reduces hunger.
Now, if someone is insulin resistant, that will interfere, but it is not because insulin has these effects, but the resistance in the cells interferes with the process such that leptin is not being released (or often someone is also leptin resistant).
As I've said elsewhere, I'm not anti keto and enjoy low(ish) carbing often, and find it makes a deficit easier since I tend to find protein + veg very satisfying without a need for a side starch (or with a small serving only), and because I feel less like I am cutting cals when I still have a good amount of fat in my diet, but I think it is important not to suggest that carbs are inherently bad for us or prevent weight loss or that lowering carbs inherently has some mechanical effect on us that makes weight loss faster or the like.
Individual humans may well find that eating lower carb is easier for them, especially re appetite control, of course, but not because carbs/insulin make burning fat impossible unless one cuts them way down.
Thank you for your insights from a personal and professional prospective. All very interesting and as I can see it generated some good discussion. Have a great day and stay warm it's pretty cold all over.✔
I'm actually about to go see if there's any way I can dig a path through the snow to my alley so I can take out some trash, as well as to see if there's any way I can get my car from my garage to the street (basically, how much snow is blocking it and how bad is the snow situation in the alley), since I have to go today or tomorrow to pick up medicine for my cat. So staying warm may not be in the cards, but I appreciate the thought, and you too!
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I am in Texas and we never get snow or freezing temps. And now we have both along with rolling blackout. My thyroid meds have been at the pharmacy since Monday hoping the roads clear by Friday because I am down to my last 2 pills. I actually took the attached photo to send to my sister who lives on the east coast where it's warmer than Texas.
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It's been a bad few weeks here with the cold and snow, but definitely worse for you all in Texas with the blackouts!0
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When you mention low carb or ketogenic diets you are going to get a lot of responses that are very pro-keto or pro-low carb and others that think it's the absolute worst idea ever - it's a very divisive way of eating, haha!
With that said, I've been following a ketogenic way of eating since April 2020, for a large number of reasons that I won't get into here (weight loss is no longer my primary goal or driving force), but I will say that there are some side effects to be aware of as potentials, but there are no definites. Some people experience keto flu, others never do. For me personally I did not experience keto flu, headaches, irritability, etc. However the one side affect I did experience, that I was not expecting, is that my menstrual cycle was affected for the first couple of months. Everything has gone back to normal, and I understand from talking to other women that this is fairly common if moving to a keto diet (not sure if this side effect is related to a low-carb-but-not-ketogenic diet).1 -
Carbs are great. I just eat wholefoods, plant based if I want to lose any weight.1
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It's been a bad few weeks here with the cold and snow, but definitely worse for you all in Texas with the blackouts!
Yes and now to make things worst several of the water treatment plants went down so they are telling us to boil our water or drink bottled water. So I love my kitties so now I am sharing my bottled water with them because I would absolutely die if something happened to either of them. Bless their little hearts they have been snuggled on both sides of me every night keeping me warm and purring me to sleep. Well you stay safe and warm and have a goodnight🐱👤🐱👤5 -
When you mention low carb or ketogenic diets you are going to get a lot of responses that are very pro-keto or pro-low carb and others that think it's the absolute worst idea ever - it's a very divisive way of eating, haha!
With that said, I've been following a ketogenic way of eating since April 2020, for a large number of reasons that I won't get into here (weight loss is no longer my primary goal or driving force), but I will say that there are some side effects to be aware of as potentials, but there are no definites. Some people experience keto flu, others never do. For me personally I did not experience keto flu, headaches, irritability, etc. However the one side affect I did experience, that I was not expecting, is that my menstrual cycle was affected for the first couple of months. Everything has gone back to normal, and I understand from talking to other women that this is fairly common if moving to a keto diet (not sure if this side effect is related to a low-carb-but-not-ketogenic diet).
Glad everything is back to normal guess it cause some type of hormonal imbalance for it to effect your cycle. Thanks for sharing. Have a goodnight , stay warm and safe.❤❤0 -
peachpawpaw wrote: »Carbs are great. I just eat wholefoods, plant based if I want to lose any weight.
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THIS is another reason why I would discourage keto as a weight loss approach. Proteins and fats don't have many minerals or essential for electrolytes.cwolfman13 wrote: »Poobah1972 wrote: »cwolfman1 wrote:Yes...every gram of carbohydrate carries roughly 4 grams of water...when you reduce carbs to keto levels, you have a huge water dump resulting in electrolyte imbalances...that's basic human biology.
I understand you definately dump that water and electrolytes... But that doesn't necessarily mean it correlates directly to the symptoms and there severity. Perhaps it correlates more to certain symptoms then others for instance. All I'm suggesting is there is more then just electrolytes involved as your body adjusts to a fat burning metabolism.. granted Electrolytes are important, without them your heart would stop beating. Eeek.
If you look up the symptoms of electrolyte imbalances, they are exactly those of "keto flu". Switching energy sources from glucose to ketones could result in some fatigue and lethargy (keeping in mind though that the body is dual fuel...it is always cycling between glucose and fat for fuel)...but nausea, vomiting, headaches, etc are all symptoms of electrolyte imbalances. Many keto sites recommend significantly increasing sodium for the first few days for this very reason.
This happens to endurance athletes too when they neglect to replenish electrolytes during training or an event...that's why I had to be put on an electrolyte drip in the medical tent at one of my cycling events.
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Unless you're eating at a deficit, you're not going to lose weight just because you eat whole food and plant based. You can still surplus on them if you're not counting calories and just feel that eating better nutritionally dense foods will be the cause of weight loss.peachpawpaw wrote: »Carbs are great. I just eat wholefoods, plant based if I want to lose any weight.
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Re: keto side effects. Haven’t seen this mentioned but it makes your breath smell like a trash can on a hot day with a dead squirrel in it.
Keto works great for some people. If you have diabetes, metabolic syndrome, or PCOS, or if you constantly crave carby foods and they are your problem foods, keto may be worth it. Otherwise, it’s not necessary for weight loss, and can be inconvenient.
It’s also not necessary to go full keto to benefit from eating fewer carbs. When I was diagnosed with diabetes I went from eating a ton of sweet stuff, pizza, etc., to eating about 150g carbs per day, and lost a bunch of weight and got my a1c into normal range.3 -
Cutting down the carbs a little bit when trying to lose weight definitely helps me. I would never do full on keto or anything as I don't think it's healthy or sustainable to cut out entire food groups and brand foods as "bad" or have anything completely off limits. But certainly, eating less stodgey carbs and more protein is a good thing for weight loss for me.1
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