I feel the body becomes efficient at eating when you feed it a lot of calories
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janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.12 -
psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »You can believe whatever you want, but this doesn't mean it represents reality.
I believe I am independently wealth..... Crap... still broke.....
Well, an analogy is the more money you make, the more taxes you're supposed to pay. So it gets harder to get wealthier.
The opposite is actually true. People with higher amounts of funds they can use to build greater wealth have an easier time accumulating wealth than those who must dedicate most of their money to meeting basic needs, even if the wealthy are paying taxes. Your initial statement is wrong and the analogy fails because it's also inaccurate.15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
"We hypothesize that non-muscular physiological activity contributes substantially to activity energy expenditure2 and its adaptation to physical activity. Human studies and non-human animal models show that energy allocation across a broad range physiological tasks, including reproductive activity and somatic maintenance [5,13–19], may be reduced when physical activity increases, resulting in decreased activity energy expenditure2. Indeed, such physical activity-induced reduction in activity energy expenditure2 could potentially contribute to the beneficial health effects of exercise, reducing energy expenditure on inflammation and detrimental immune system activity"1 -
psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
You might have differences over time, but you're not producing energy from nothing. That is, the point at which different people are in a deficit will vary...but you will lose weight when you're in a deficit. You run five miles, that requires energy, even if you do it daily.3 -
If my bank account becomes efficient, I’m golden. Booking my trip to Bali.10
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janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
You might have differences over time, but you're not producing energy from nothing. That is, the point at which different people are in a deficit will vary...but you will lose weight when you're in a deficit. You run five miles, that requires energy, even if you do it daily.
I agree that the first law of thermodynamics applies, but CO is seems to be more complex than we thought. Read the study if you haven't. We do get "used" to activity at a certain threshold. Would changing the activity work? Probably not. I think the issue with op is he is talking about a free living, non measured intake situation. Doubtful he/she was just eating pizza and burgers, but if they were the mono diet effect might kick in. I still think the OP was just hitting a satiety road block and could have forced fed to gain weight on the same foods. CI is also very, very, very, complex.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
No, “people” don’t say that, people who are wrong say that. It’s not true. The body doesn’t get used to cardio. No one who knows what they are talking about says that unless they are selling something.
The body may get slightly more efficient at doing certain things as you learn to do them better - for example as running form improves, an individual may use fewer calories to run the same distance because you push off forward and don’t apply a braking motion by heel striking - but running still requires your muscles to consume energy, the same amount of consumption for the same output. Olympic swimmers and marathoners consume massive amounts of calories, they don’t “get used” to it and stop needing to eat as much.12 -
psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
"We hypothesize that non-muscular physiological activity contributes substantially to activity energy expenditure2 and its adaptation to physical activity. Human studies and non-human animal models show that energy allocation across a broad range physiological tasks, including reproductive activity and somatic maintenance [5,13–19], may be reduced when physical activity increases, resulting in decreased activity energy expenditure2. Indeed, such physical activity-induced reduction in activity energy expenditure2 could potentially contribute to the beneficial health effects of exercise, reducing energy expenditure on inflammation and detrimental immune system activity"
Not sure that’s really claiming the same thing, since it doesn’t posit the non-muscular activity dropping because of exercise being a single, consistent type. Presumably when the body doesn’t have excess calories to devote to things like inflammation, that happens pretty immediately and ends when the energy is supplied.5 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »No.
Just all no.
Well if you wanna make your body immune to gaining weight from fat, you gotta get it used to it.
No. Not how it works.
The "body gets used to cardio" thing is false, too. "Body confusion"/"muscle confusion" is a myth spread by Beach Body and their ilk to keep you buying new & different programs and equipment.
What? But everyone talks about body confusion.
Everyone who wants to sell you something.
I've been doing the same (bleepin') cardio for nearly 20 years now. It still works just the way it's always worked, because science.
Sure, if you want to get different fitness capabilities, you may need multiple exercise modes. But the exercise itself will burn roughly the same number of calories, when done at the same bodyweight, for the same length of time, at the same intensity (such as running pace). Sure, calorically speaking, efficiency may actually favor the beginner, who wastes energy that doesn't go into measurable intensity (i.e., they're inefficient), but for common activities, that's a relatively small factor.
The whole shock/confusion thing is nonsense. The exercise will *feel* easier as you get fitter (that's kind a big part of the definition of "get fitter"). A heart rate monitor may even claim it burns fewer calories (because a fitter, more capable heart delivers a bigger load of blood - so more oxygen - per beat, thus the heart will beat slower at the same exercise intensity to deliver the same oxygen . . . and it's the oxygen that correlates reasonably well with calorie burn, not the heartbeats).
As a practical matter, in real life the fitter person will actually be likely to burn *more* calories doing "the same" exercise for the same amount of time, because fitness makes it feel easier, so their intensity increases, burning more calories per minute of exercise. To give a specific example, someone who makes a regular practice of running will generally run faster as they get fitter, so cover more miles in the same half hour (or whatever) of running, thus burning more calories.
There is some research evidence that as exercise volume increases, daily life calorie expenditure decreases to compensate somewhat (essentially a fatigue-induced homeostasis tendency), but I think that research is problematic (at least the studies I've read) in practice for reasons I won't go into here. But that's *not* the exercise activity itself burning fewer calories, in any case.janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
So, no. No. If a heavier person and a lighter person run the same distance, at the same pace, for the same amount of time, the heavier person will burn more calories in the process, because they've done more work (in the physics sense of "work") moving the larger bodyweight through the same amount of space against the same gravity. An experienced, fit runner of a particular body size, and a beginner, unfit runner of the same body size, will burn roughly the same number of calories running the same distance at the same pace, for the same amount of time (I'm assuming we've picked a duration and pace that both can achieve). The less experienced, less fit person will *feel* much worse than the more experienced, more fit runner, but that's irrelevant to the physics.
"Feeling" that things work a certain way can be very misleading.12 -
rheddmobile wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
"We hypothesize that non-muscular physiological activity contributes substantially to activity energy expenditure2 and its adaptation to physical activity. Human studies and non-human animal models show that energy allocation across a broad range physiological tasks, including reproductive activity and somatic maintenance [5,13–19], may be reduced when physical activity increases, resulting in decreased activity energy expenditure2. Indeed, such physical activity-induced reduction in activity energy expenditure2 could potentially contribute to the beneficial health effects of exercise, reducing energy expenditure on inflammation and detrimental immune system activity"
Not sure that’s really claiming the same thing, since it doesn’t posit the non-muscular activity dropping because of exercise being a single, consistent type. Presumably when the body doesn’t have excess calories to devote to things like inflammation, that happens pretty immediately and ends when the energy is supplied.
That's why I said maybe, maybe not. There is a noticeable jump in people from low activity to moderate, but when reaching the higher levels of activity, there is a transient increase in calories that goes down over time. So, what I am saying is, yes... we can get "used" to higher activity rates over time. As I said above, I don't think changing the activity to "confuse" the body would work. Yes, if you could supply the calories, but there is a limit to how many calories can be digested, turned to fuel, and then used in a certain time frame. I think the Author of the studies proposes 2-2.5 BMR is the max that can be digested and used.1 -
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Can I come. I will fetch the Singapore Slings and towels for you..4 -
psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
You might have differences over time, but you're not producing energy from nothing. That is, the point at which different people are in a deficit will vary...but you will lose weight when you're in a deficit. You run five miles, that requires energy, even if you do it daily.
I agree that the first law of thermodynamics applies, but CO is seems to be more complex than we thought. Read the study if you haven't. We do get "used" to activity at a certain threshold. Would changing the activity work? Probably not. I think the issue with op is he is talking about a free living, non measured intake situation. Doubtful he/she was just eating pizza and burgers, but if they were the mono diet effect might kick in. I still think the OP was just hitting a satiety road block and could have forced fed to gain weight on the same foods. CI is also very, very, very, complex.
In the sense OP is talking about, our bodies somehow doing things without requiring any energy, we don't "get used" to activity.1 -
psychod787 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well, maybe.... Maybe not..... There might be a place were the body starts to constrain metabolism at a certain threshold. Its starts lowering the amount of energy it is spending on non vital function.. IE Reproduction.... Evidence....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4803033/
"We hypothesize that non-muscular physiological activity contributes substantially to activity energy expenditure2 and its adaptation to physical activity. Human studies and non-human animal models show that energy allocation across a broad range physiological tasks, including reproductive activity and somatic maintenance [5,13–19], may be reduced when physical activity increases, resulting in decreased activity energy expenditure2. Indeed, such physical activity-induced reduction in activity energy expenditure2 could potentially contribute to the beneficial health effects of exercise, reducing energy expenditure on inflammation and detrimental immune system activity"
Not sure that’s really claiming the same thing, since it doesn’t posit the non-muscular activity dropping because of exercise being a single, consistent type. Presumably when the body doesn’t have excess calories to devote to things like inflammation, that happens pretty immediately and ends when the energy is supplied.
That's why I said maybe, maybe not. There is a noticeable jump in people from low activity to moderate, but when reaching the higher levels of activity, there is a transient increase in calories that goes down over time. So, what I am saying is, yes... we can get "used" to higher activity rates over time. As I said above, I don't think changing the activity to "confuse" the body would work. Yes, if you could supply the calories, but there is a limit to how many calories can be digested, turned to fuel, and then used in a certain time frame. I think the Author of the studies proposes 2-2.5 BMR is the max that can be digested and used.
I do wonder, though, if there's a "training effect" in terms of what can be digested/used. There would appear to be outliers (e.g., some elite athletes), but it's not clear what the underlying cause of that outlier-hood is, i.e., in which direction the causation arrows point: Do they become elite athletes because they have a higher innate ability to digest/use calories, or do they develop a higher ability to digest/use calories alongside developing other physical changes involved in being fit to their endeavor.
I don't think any of that research represents much of a practical barrier to regular people doing the amounts of exercise that regular people, even very active ones, really do, and burning calories from doing so, in a context where training has a sensible progression. My triathlete buddies have a higher TDEE than my mixed-media artist buddies, on average, among people whose jobs aren't triathlon or arts.
I think one needs to be a little cautious about what's a population effect, and what's an individual effect, in assessing some of this research. Most of what I've seen hasn't been long enough to assess any potential "training effect" at an individual level. I think it's good and interesting research, I just don't think that it very well supports that "body confusion" nonsense as a practical matter for typical people, even as I do believe that over-exercising (to the point of even subtle fatigue) can bleed daily life activity calories out of individual people's day in the short run. Intelligent fitness development matters, I suspect, and that's a long-term proposition.
Edited: Minor wording clarifications.3 -
penguinmama87 wrote: »Redordeadhead wrote: »No.
Just all no.
Well if you wanna make your body immune to gaining weight from fat, you gotta get it used to it.
No. Not how it works.
The "body gets used to cardio" thing is false, too. "Body confusion"/"muscle confusion" is a myth spread by Beach Body and their ilk to keep you buying new & different programs and equipment.
I was so relieved when I learned that was a myth!
LOL me too!1 -
Happened to me, too. Lotsa pizza and hamburgers at 10 pm all summer.
Still losing weight.
No intentional exercise.
Still losing weight.
Then i quit hauling hay, chopping cotton, driving tractor, etc. from 6 am til 10 pm.
I quit losing weight.14 -
Yeah... no.2
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well I don't know. Jullian Michaels says you have to switch up your cardio because your body is similar to when you get a callus on your hand from lifting weights but then your body gets used to it. She says that happens when you do cardio if you don't switch it up.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well I don't know. Jullian Michaels says you have to switch up your cardio because your body is similar to when you get a callus on your hand from lifting weights but then your body gets used to it. She says that happens when you do cardio if you don't switch it up.
Julian Michaels is a certified idoit. Its true! She posed with the diploma on Instagram.😂14 -
janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »You can believe whatever you want, but this doesn't mean it represents reality.
I believe I am independently wealth..... Crap... still broke.....
Well, an analogy is the more money you make, the more taxes you're supposed to pay. So it gets harder to get wealthier.
The opposite is actually true. People with higher amounts of funds they can use to build greater wealth have an easier time accumulating wealth than those who must dedicate most of their money to meeting basic needs, even if the wealthy are paying taxes. Your initial statement is wrong and the analogy fails because it's also inaccurate.
And the more wealthy you are the more creative you can be in avoiding paying taxes.
This isn't even creative:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/12/09/americas-three-richest-people-are-now-positioned-to-pay-zero-state-income-tax/?sh=1b9487757b63
America’s Three Richest People Are Now Positioned To Pay Zero State Income Tax
Billionaires Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates all live in states that don't collect income tax.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »They say that cardio makes your body too efficient at burning fat. Diet does too. I also believe the opposite is true. Extra eating makes your cardio inefficient at storing fat. That's why after a while when you've gained a certain amount of weight, it gets harder for you to gain more weight. You hit a plateau. The more fat and calories you eat, the more your body gets used to it and it gets tougher to gain. You become too efficient in the other direction. It only makes sense because it works both ways.
That's why one summer I ate nothing but cheeseburgers and pizza every day. I couldn't gain weight anymore because my body got used to those foods. My body got used to eating fatty meals and it didn't have the same caloric effect as before.
They say in cardio you got to switch it up because your body becomes too efficient. Same thing with eating and gaining. You gotta switch up the types of foods you're eating or your body gets used to it. Otherwise, you might actually start to lose a little weight if you don't switch it up. For instance, if you eat pizza every day your body gets used to it and so you start to get too skinny. So maybe try ice cream, to trick the body.
You may think it sounds crazy but this actually did happen to me.
That's not how it works. You most likely hit a threshold of body fat and your body kicked in satiety mechanisms. You actually ate less than you realized due to lower hunger.
Maybe. But isn't that just a different way of saying the same thing? More or less? The result was I still wasn't obese but could not gain weight no matter how much I enjoyed my pizza and burgers. Worked out every day though.
As you gain weight, the calories you need to maintain your current weight increase. Unless you eat more than that,you won't gain weight. This has nothing to do with pizza. If you were not gaining weight, it comes down to calories consumed relative to how many your body is using.
Well, that's true. But one of my points is people say that your body gets used to cardio and so it burns less calories. What I'm also pointing out as you just said is when your weight increases, your calorie burn increases. So in a way, it's like getting used to the fat you're eating. You can now eat more of it without gaining weight.
Because it takes more calories to maintain your weight, not because you're somehow immune to pizza calories.
People say all kinds of things. Your body doesn't get used to activity in that way and your body doesn't get used to burgers in that way. You're basing your beliefs on statements that aren't supported by evidence.
Well I don't know. Jullian Michaels says you have to switch up your cardio because your body is similar to when you get a callus on your hand from lifting weights but then your body gets used to it. She says that happens when you do cardio if you don't switch it up.
If you want to develop a different dimension of fitness, then switching may be important. If my cardio is (say) running, my legs will only get stronger quickly from doing that for a while, then progress in leg strength won't be as fast if I just keep running the same distances. Maybe then I'd want to switch to some cardio, say cross-country skiing, that works more on upper body plus works lower body in a different way. That's about fitness capabilities, about a regular person wanting to be more well-rounded or keep making fitness progress in slightly different directions.
Calorie burn doesn't work that same way.
Elite athletes do pretty much the same things all the time, with some planned cycling of intensities and some cross-training, but mostly focusing on their sport. Cyclists mostly cycle. Swimmers mostly swim. They do those things for hours on a typical day, and those in endurance sports like that need to eat massive numbers of calories to keep up their workout schedule. They don't eat fewer and fewer calories as time goes by, to sustain the same general workout schedule.4
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