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scarlett_k wrote: »scarlett_k wrote: »Using food as a reward doesn't promote a healthy relationship with food.
it doesn't hinder it either for the most part....
I think that depends on the individual. It can absolutely hinder a healthy relationship with food and is harmful for a lot of us. Love, one of the many many people in the world in recovery from an eating disorder.
and that's my point....you cut my comment off...and that takes it out of context.
If you have had a healthy relationship with food it will continue....as I said in my first comment (which you deleted out without indicating you have)
having a healthy relationship with food is built based on years of "building it" from when you are a child to now...
I "treat" myself with food all the time...high calorie foods are a treat and as long as I've done my work I will reward myself...."
and to reiterate this....I come from the clean plate police generation where were told "clean your plate there are kids in this world starving" etc but I still maintain a decent relationship with food that allows for treats of food.
PS please don't quote and eliminate without indicating that you have deleted parts of it so it makes it fit your argument better that's dirty pool.
To me food "treats/rewards" are what I use to train my dog.
Is a small portion of my diet high calorie/low nutrient "junk foods" or what some may call treats, sure. I just consider it part of normal eating.2 -
I didnt see this beating with a stick thing myself or anyone suggesting they were experts any more than your own OP did.
just about all posters posted constructive criticism and discussion of your post.
some of your post was perhaps helpful for some people - some not - the idea that cold water somehow burns more calories - not so and people politely pointed that out.
Disagreement is not negative.
and motivating others doesn't mean endorsing everything they say.12 -
PS please don't quote and eliminate without indicating that you have deleted parts of it so it makes it fit your argument better that's dirty pool.
Coffee is good in the morning so maybe I'm not awake enough to see the fine details... but, I've seen way more egregious quoting on MFP for this to be worth dirty pooling over it. Especially when I don't see the quoting as changing the core meaning of what was being quoted.
Sexxy says: "Food reward OK under condition this and that".
Red says: "Food reward NOT OK under condition this and that".
No dirty pool that I can see. Both have conditions stated.
And while incremental changes are good... my potatoes come in bags, not spoons!
Furthermore it's one things to have food rewards (even though as a formerly obese person I would hesitate to espouse food rewards as a high percentage play) and another to tell oneself that every bite you're eating is a reward for being good.
The second one sounds less healthy than the first... somewhere along the lines of ice water while shivering in winter...
Sustainable changes? Check.
Avoid eliminations other than in socially approved locations and situations? Check.
Tricks to feel full faster and with less calories so you can stay on budget most of the time? Check and the more the merrier--just remain aware that it is not the trick that creates success, it is the fact that you're able to stay on budget that achieves that.
And no drinking yellow water if you're in a pool!
perception is reality...and your perception of what was done doesn't match mine.
*shrugs* so be it.
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scarlett_k wrote: »
PS please don't quote and eliminate without indicating that you have deleted parts of it so it makes it fit your argument better that's dirty pool.
I was responding to a particular part of what you said; people can scroll up to see your full comment. I wasn't intentionally concealing something to manipulate a conversation. Not sure I've ever seen anyone say "by the way I've trimmed this quote for brevity, please read up for the full context" and I'm afraid I won't pander to that as I think it's a bit daft. Also clearly I don't know how to use the quote feature as I can't make my own comment not be a quote 🙃
As for indicating you've eliminated part of the quote don't clip it and you won't have to.
as for pandering to a simple request then don't...I have very easy remedies if I feel I need to implement them.
PS you seem to know how to use quotes enough to eliminate parts of it quite successfully.
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scarlett_k wrote: »Okay I think somewhere up the thread a bit of markup was removed or added... or there's a bug on my phone!
Yes, if you quote something with an error, your post will also contain that error. But you can fix it by putting the {quote}{/quote} in the proper places. (I used {} instead of brackets.)2 -
LeeDahlen38 wrote: »Man...... I love how each of you figured out how to take a positive intention and comment negatively.. Maybe that should be my next post. People remember, somewhere someone is looking for SOMETHING to help. Something to work on, and Something to believe in.. None of us are experts even tho the comments above suggest otherwise. Spend mor time motivating others instead of beating them with a stick.
Many of us, myself included, did take the time to mention what parts of your post we did agree with.
As to the rest, disagreement is not "beating with a stick." When I get a lot of disagreement, that's an opportunity for me to reflect and learn.9 -
LeeDahlen38 wrote: »Man...... I love how each of you figured out how to take a positive intention and comment negatively.. Maybe that should be my next post. People remember, somewhere someone is looking for SOMETHING to help. Something to work on, and Something to believe in.. None of us are experts even tho the comments above suggest otherwise. Spend mor time motivating others instead of beating them with a stick.
We are trying to help.
Some of your advice here and in other posts is at best inaccurate. Not all of it. But enough for people who do actually know better to feel a need to mention where you’re giving out bad information.
I am not an expert. Definitely.
But some of the people who have responded to your post actually are.
If you wish to motivate people, that’s a noble aim, for sure.
But be cautious. Don’t give out inaccurate information. It doesn’t help anyone.8 -
If I'm in a car and ask for directions and you tell me the wrong way to go, even if you are genuinely trying to be helpful and have the best intentions, you've still just sent me down the wrong road. If someone else takes out their GPS and corrects my course, they aren't being negative toward you. Simply pointing out a factual inaccuracy is not "negativity."
And FWIW, as someone who I believe (maybe I'm delusional - if so, someone please enlighten me!) is being pretty successful at maintenance (which, by definition, is sustainable), I eat potatoes fairly regularly, and quite a bit more than a spoonful at a time.
No negativity or ill will here (or displayed elsewhere in this thread that I've seen). I think everyone can appreciate someone trying to motivate and pump everyone up, but if you come around throwing out falsehoods, don't expect everyone to just smile & nod.11 -
JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.1
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LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
You're a good guy, Lee. You are. I love your positivity and how encouraging you are.
One thing I try to keep in mind when I give information is if it is for general weight loss or for diabetics, as the advice can be very different. And even for diabetics, the advice can be very different. I cared for my ex and grandfather, both T2 diabetics, both with VASTLY different needs (try telling a japanese man he has to lay off the rice. ugh). This is why i generally advise that diabetics in particular need to consult with their healthcare team as to how many carbs they need to consume per meal or day for their particular situation. Because *i* simply don't know, and don't want to give medical advice.
For the average person trying to lose weight, without other health issues (like diabetes)...calories are king. And if you can make it fit (bread and potatoes included) go for it.13 -
LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
I don't think all diabetics biggest enemy is bread and potatoes.
And anyway your OP didn't mention diabetes - so naturally people were not responding to context that was not included.
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LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
My mother is diabetic, and eats bread and potatoes regularly. That isn't the enemy. The worst thing a diabetic can do is eat too much food, period, which results in too many calories. Arguably, a lot of people can eat tons of potatoes and bread, but eating a proper amount is fine. Chicken, eaten in high enough quantity, can spike blood sugar.
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paperpudding wrote: »LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
I don't think all diabetics biggest enemy is bread and potatoes.
And anyway your OP didn't mention diabetes - so naturally people were not responding to context that was not included.
This is one of those page two reveals ::nods::...
...and potatoes or bread are not disallowed for Diabetes, but that does add a bit of context to the OP.
Lee, you have to state stuff like that!!
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LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
Honestly?
A diabetic’s worst enemy is misinformation.
From telling them something is OK to eat because “it doesn’t have any sugar!” when honey was used to make it (something I have personally experienced more than once) to telling people the foods they love are an “enemy”
I am diabetic.
So is my husband. And other family members.
There are different reasons for someone to develop diabetes. Developing diabetes is not always related to being overweight.
But once someone is diabetic, yes, diet is key to managing your blood glucose levels.
Since there are different reasons behind why people develop diabetes, and different people react differently to foods, the most important thing to do is figure out which specific foods elevate the individual diabetic’s glucose levels.
This is crucial information to managing diabetes.
Not telling every diabetic that potatoes and bread are “the enemy”
I advise newly diagnosed diabetics to test the foods they eat to find out which specific foods spike them. It’s very easy to do, and doesn’t require anything other than the test strips and monitor they’ve already been given by their medical provider.
Or? Spend about $30 on a ReliOn brand monitor and some strips from Walmart.
The method: Test your blood glucose level. Eat just the thing you want to test. Take your insulin if that is part of your care regimen.
Wait an hour and forty five minutes to two hours.
Test again.
If your blood glucose has returned to a normal level? Or is within a few points? You can eat that food with no worries.
If your blood glucose remains elevated (above 130 in my opinion but the American Diabetic Association will say 150) then avoid that food.
This method works for every diabetic. And is much better than telling people they can’t eat more than a tablespoon of potatoes.10 -
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
Honestly?
A diabetic’s worst enemy is misinformation.
From telling them something is OK to eat because “it doesn’t have any sugar!” when honey was used to make it (something I have personally experienced more than once) to telling people the foods they love are an “enemy”
I am diabetic.
So is my husband. And other family members.
There are different reasons for someone to develop diabetes. Developing diabetes is not always related to being overweight.
But once someone is diabetic, yes, diet is key to managing your blood glucose levels.
Since there are different reasons behind why people develop diabetes, and different people react differently to foods, the most important thing to do is figure out which specific foods elevate the individual diabetic’s glucose levels.
This is crucial information to managing diabetes.
Not telling every diabetic that potatoes and bread are “the enemy”
I advise newly diagnosed diabetics to test the foods they eat to find out which specific foods spike them. It’s very easy to do, and doesn’t require anything other than the test strips and monitor they’ve already been given by their medical provider.
Or? Spend about $30 on a ReliOn brand monitor and some strips from Walmart.
The method: Test your blood glucose level. Eat just the thing you want to test. Take your insulin if that is part of your care regimen.
Wait an hour and forty five minutes to two hours.
Test again.
If your blood glucose has returned to a normal level? Or is within a few points? You can eat that food with no worries.
If your blood glucose remains elevated (above 130 in my opinion but the American Diabetic Association will say 150) then avoid that food.
This method works for every diabetic. And is much better than telling people they can’t eat more than a tablespoon of potatoes.
I would love it if the disagree-er could express what exactly they disagree with in my comment. Then we could have a nice, educational discussion.
As it stands, I see nothing in my comment here that is unwise or counter factual. If I am wrong in some way, I’m very interested in learning to do better.
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LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
naw....
when I talked to my diabetic brother....the one who's had it since he was 6....
starches aren't his worst enemy...as a matter of fact he needs a set number of grams to be ok.
what his worst enemy(s) are things like taking his insulin and having to wait too long to eat....yah that can kill him....literally...I've seen him in insulin shock before...it's not pretty.
or someone not being totally informed on what is and isn't good for a diabetic...aka misinformation. Like bread and potatoes are his worst enemy...*shrugs*
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LeeDahlen38 wrote: »JbanX: You diabetic?? Just curious. Everyones situation is different. Diabetics biggest enemy is Bread and Potatoes.. (If you're trying to manage without insulin shots. Keep this in mind please before you poopoo someone. You see whats in front of the curtain. Not backstage.
No, but since there was zero mention diabetes in your initial post, congrats on moving the goalposts.
I didn't "poopoo" anyone (and neither did anyone else); you're just getting defensive and getting your back up because people (quite rightfully) disagree with you. The forums, as with life in general, there is something to be said for learning to accept some constructive criticism and actually listen to what others (who may be more knowledgeable and have more experience than you) have to say.
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