Exercise as a woman, at dark, alone

callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »

When I was in college, I used to walk late at night with my german shepherd. Dog weighed 130 pounds. No one ever looked at me.

I live in a rural area now, that's just not conducive to really walking/working out outside (beyond the routine work on our farm I do LOL) but of our 5 dogs... 3 of them, I wouldn't have any reservations about taking with me, because I know them, and know their personalities, and their capabilities. 3 of them (one on my photo, here) are actual livestock protection dogs, and they would extend that to me by default. Coyote, bear, or person, a threat is a threat.

You mentioned your dog a couple of times. I know most people don't have the giant beasts I do LOL, but even small dogs are a deterrent and can be quite protective. I have a jack russell too, and hes a right... jerk (what i want to say would be censored LOL) hes a fierce little thing. Is there no way to take your exercise walk during lunch perhaps, and a walk with the dog in more populated areas for the dogs exercise (even if only 10 minutes) in the evening? or do your exercise on the treadmill in your room and a quick walk with the dog like i mentioned. can no one walk him during the day, maybe? (i take it he (she?) is a new addition)

Unfortunately I only get 30mins for lunch so there's no way I'd get anything done during then. And I live with my Dad who has COPD so he can barely walk himself nevermind the dog lol Our dog isn't a new addition but I've never seen what she'd be like if anyone went for me. She absolutely loves other people and dogs so I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted a fuss! I think the treadmill will be my best option for now, the dog would still get her full walk on the weekends I'd just feel bad for her. My area isn't super rough but you do hear of things happening locally and dog theft especially is quite prevalent so I'm just as worried that someone would try and take her too!

penguinmama87 wrote: »

When I go running, which is typically before dawn, I carry pepper spray with me in a place I can reach easily. I know how to use it and it is legal to carry where I live. I pick areas where there is adequate lighting and lots of people within yelling distance. I put an earbud in one ear only and it's kept at low volume - I listen to podcasts or audiobooks and not loud music. I also carry my phone with GPS enabled and identification attached to my person. I am honestly not particularly worried about being attacked by a person - if I were attacked by anything the most likely culprit would be an unleashed dog. I do not live in an area that would be considered high crime, and even so the stats suggest to me that I am very unlikely to be attacked by a stranger, and even less likely a stranger who would be so intent on causing harm that he would continue if I showed any resistance at all (more risky for them.)

Sometimes when I have been running a man will run behind me and I will admit that I get nervous about it if it continues for more than a couple blocks. In those cases I cross the street or change my route. I have noticed that sometimes a man will cross instead, or quickly pass me while loudly announcing his presence ("on your left" etc) and I appreciate that effort to make me feel safer - for any men reading the thread, this can be a very kind thing to do: remember we don't know you or what you're up to, and you're generally bigger and stronger than us and we know it!

All that said, I don't know your area. Your level of concern indicates to me that a gym might be the best option when it is dark out. Does anyplace near you offer self-defense classes? There's a lot that's useful there and the instruction isn't just physical, though that part can be helpful too.

I agree, my phone has all the relevant things enabled, my watch has an emergency call button too. I wish pepper spray was legal here but it's not, so a deodorant would be next best. There are self defense classes held in the gym actually, which isn't a bad idea, but in my head it just still seems to be a silly idea to go walking in the woods in pitch black y'know? Gym I think would be a last resort since it takes time to travel there and I always feel like I'm paying to wait for people to be done with the machines you want to use

kshama2001 wrote: »

When I had a dog, we walked in the dark alone together. He was a 75 pound husky and looked intimidating, even though he was actually the biggest love bug in the world.

For almost 20 years now I have carried pepper spray and a phone.

Oh look so adorable! Mine is not so intimidating and absolutely loves people and other dogs, we always say if anyone broke into our house she'd lick them to death first! Pepper spray isn't legal here sadly but I do always carry my phone, but I suppose I could be mugged for that aswell.

springlering62 wrote: »

Not to scare you, but we had a terrible case here last month where a woman was walking her dog in a large and busy park in downtown. She was attacked, her dog presumably went after the assailant, who killed her and the dog. Dogs are just a deterrent.

If you aren’t comfortable, listen to your gut.

I often walk home alone from yoga after dark, about half a mile, and try to be super aware of my surroundings, especially since we have a large homeless population. I’ve always made it a point to acknowledge and greet our “regulars”, it’s the really transient ones I worry about.

Could you ask friends, coworkers, Nextdoor, or FB friends if anyone would like to create a walking group? I did this via our private neighborhood FB page, and we had about six women, all neighbors, so always two or three of us walking together (til covid nipped that in the bud).

I think, too, covid left our streets so empty here for months on end, that walking them was plain spooky. There were days when you’d barely see any cars, and I live in a very busy urban area. People are coming back out now. That helps a little with my own comfort level.

I don’t feel like I’m in that British air commercial where the guy is standing the the middle of an empty city, shouting “”Where is everybody?!!!”

“Why, they’ve all taken advantage of airfare deals and gone to London.”

(It’s a running joke in our house.)

Yeah I'd rather avoid any incidents at all but sometimes I'm like you can take my phone, do what you want to me, but do not touch my dog! My area isn't super bad but my dog can be anxious and nervous so we don't walk along roads because the car noises make her flinch, so we stick to the woods. But we do have a fair bit of dog crime, even to 'markers' appearing on gateposts to show which house has a dog etc.

I wouldn't mind doing a walking group, though I don't know anyone that would walk with me but as you say local fb might help. I'd be too worried I'd be too slow or fast for everyone, I guess I'm too used to doing things on my own lol

My watch has an emercency button where if I press it 3 times it sends a text to my dad with my location. Though it's bluetooth only so I'd need my phone to be nearby

ToffeeApple71 wrote: »

I won't exercise in the dark either. I totally get what you're up against.
Can you do any home YouTube exercise videos? Home workouts are great, especially yoga or bodyweight exercises.
Even a half-hour walk at lunchtime would benefit you. That's 150 minutes total Mon-Fri. Better than nothing!
Can you stand at your desk rather than sitting?
Increase your NEAT during the day? Anything that gets you moving.

My work is entirely standing so I'm not too worried about that, like you say it's better than nothing. For dinner we only get 30mins so by the time I've made and eaten my dinner there's not a lot left. Youtube is a good shout though, I did actually used to do yoga a while ago!

LeeH31 wrote: »

@no1wf When I was walking at night it was on a country road in the mountains. What surprised me is how many folks suddenly started sitting on their porch until I passed by, and how many were still there when I headed home. There was even one State Trooper that went out of his way to drive by and check on me. I always walked at the same time so everyone knew I was out there. They even left porch lights on for me. Never felt safer even though the houses were a quarter mile apart or more.

Can you get to know the folks on your route, even stop in and ask if they will look out for you? Maybe they already are watching for you. Wave if you see them peeking!

I also carried a blazing big spotlight used to see deer in the dark. It could've been used to land planes during a power outage. Any time a vehicle approached I shone it on the road in front of myself so they would see me. Also useful to blind anyone coming at you!

How cool is that, how kind of them! Unfortunately our route is a wooded area, there is no houses just a wide path through the trees. It's funny to see the contrast, here the idea is to not take the same route every time because if someone is watching you with bad intentions they know exactly where you're going to be at what time, and in my head me carrying a huge light would draw attention to me! We do have a residential area, like blocks of houses (not American city blocks, a lot smaller) it'd be a bit mind-numbing walking around in a circle and not much to look at, not completely safe either judging by the smashed car window I passed yesterday, but it is lit by streetlights!

Machka9 wrote: »

Can your father walk with you?
Can you walk short blocks - even just down your street and back and down your street and back.

I did those things when cycling in the winter before I married.

My Dad unfortunately has COPD and can't walk from one side of the room to the other without being breathless. But as the post above made me think, we do have blocks of residential area housing while not entirely safe it's an option and better than the pitch black of the woods so I might give that a try and see how I feel doing it.

Hollis100 wrote: »

@no1wf

I traveled through Wales many years ago. Very beautiful area.

You said you'd heard of some things happening locally. I agree with the above poster who said listen to your gut.

Yes, find a way to use the treadmill.

I also agree with the poster who suggested YouTube videos. I'm a fan of outdoor walking, not videos, but I've walked and danced to videos in severe winter weather. There's enough variety that you could probably find something. In the last year, I read about a man under COVID lockdown who kept up his marathon training by fast walking and jogging on his condo balcony over and over.

I think the treadmill is obviously the safest option, and the most likely at the moment. I didn't realise how much I enjoyed walking outdoors and spending time with the dog until now that I'm realising that it's not a great idea and hopefully the next few months fly by

claireychn074 wrote: »

Taking a slightly different tack, if you’re at uni in the UK, see if they offer free self defence classes. I’m not suggesting you ignore your gut instinct but it could help you to feel more confident when you do have to go out and about (I used to teach teenage girls self defence as a martial arts instructor).

Again, I’m not suggesting classes are a panacea, but anecdotal evidence from attackers (info gleaned from the Police) suggested that confident or ballsy-looking women are less likely to be targets (they don’t want someone who will scream, fight back or draw attention). So I used to teach confident body language and painful self-defence methods - but these will still never replace being safe in the first case. Most unis or student unions will have access to courses for you, and I always recommend them for normal life.

I like to think that because when I walk I've got a bit of speed going that I look like I know what I'm doing, I mean business, look the part y'know? But I probably look like I'm walking fast incase anyone tries to catch me We do have some local gyms that I know do boxing and things so maybe they have something similar in the way of self defence classes I can definitely take a look.

littlegreenparrot1 wrote: »

There are probably other people in the area with dogs who have the same issue, well worth asking around other dog owners, to see if anyone would like to go out walking with you?

I actually looked last night as I know there is a local walking group, but they only walk in the daytime, typical! That's a good point though maybe I'm not the only one, I don't see many others when we're out, no women, but maybe better reached on our local facebook group!

springlering62 wrote: »

If you have a flipbelt type runners belt or one of the Amazon knockoffs, it’s very easy to have your phone with you. I always wear pocketless leggings when out walking so keep my phone in my runners belt.

My phone is also my wallet, so I also always have ID, credit cards (there’s a very tempting pastry stand in the middle of nowhere on my route) and easy volume control I can feel through the belt at my fingertips, for when I’m passing construction or on a heavily traveled road.

It’s helpful to be hyper aware of your surroundings ans make mental notes, too. There’s a Union cemetery on one side of my neighborhood and a Confederate on the other. Both are empty at any time of the day, but I know the workers in the Union one would keep an eye on me, whereas I noticed homeless men from a couple of nearby encampments have taken up residence in the Confederate one. You wouldn’t notice if you weren’t paying attention.

The guy who bathes in the lawyer’s fancy fountain frequently sleeps in the stairwell of an old converted cotton warehouse on the path, right in the center of town. And another has taken to sleeping in a shallow unused loading dock. Again, if you weren’t being aware, you’d never notice.

You’ve got to be proactive.

I agree, I've been to America many times alone and while I've not walked around at night (though in NYC and Vegas I don't believe they know what night is lol) I'm still hyper aware of my surroundings but still can relax and enjoy myself. Maybe this is because I'm looking after someone else aswell (being the dog) I'm more concerned for her than I am for myself

penguinmama87 wrote: »

I think @springlering62 and @claireychn074 bring up really good points about confidence and speaking to people. For most anyone I pass by, I look at them directly in the face and say "hello." Many of these people I regularly encounter so we know each other by sight at this point, and it is meant to be polite and friendly, but it's also an assertion of confidence - "I see you, and I've looked directly at your face, and I'm not afraid."

I would not do this with a person who was obviously mentally unstable, because you can't predict their behavior in the same way - I've never encountered it on a run but have in other situations while walking. My strategy then is to increase distance as much and as quickly as possible without drawing attention to myself.

I agree, that's a good point. To be honest I don't pass many people on our route but I wouldn't want to be sat here thinking "oh I hardly see anyone so if I go out at dark I'll be fine there'll be no one there" because I think that's exactly when someone with bad intentions would be out!

cwolfman13 wrote: »

Doesn't seem right in what way? That is exactly how you deal with a decline in activity and/or exercise. My activity, both general and deliberate exercise tends to dip significantly in the winter months and I become more of a weekend warrior than regular daily exerciser for the same reason...dark in the AM and dark in the PM...not to mention freezing temperatures. I'm not very good about it, but the way to deal with that is to reduce my calorie intake.

I've been at this since late 2012 and been more or less maintaining since spring of 2013 save for I'm bad about dropping my calorie intake in the winter so I usually put on 8-10 Lbs and then take it off in the spring. I'm planning to do better this year as I purchased a smart trainer for my bike late last winter and Zwift so that I can cycle indoors in the winter...we shall see how it goes as I much prefer to be outside.

I meant it like that's the general 'how to' of losing weight or a lifestyle change, you eat less and move more. And I suppose I don't want to just rely on eating less and hoping that I move enough at work I still want to do something extra if that makes sense?

Because I've never been in this situation before I've never thought about what happens when it's dark, I suppose some people are lucky maybe they have their own land or they prefer the gym or whatever reason that they can keep things going during their winter. But on the other hand maybe that's just what happens to the rest of us we just sort of hibernate then reawaken in the spring!

I'm planning to do extra long walks on the weekends though to make up for it, and to make it up to the dog!

wunderkindking wrote: »

Honestly, there are two issues here. One is how safe you feel and practical advice has been given.

The other is weight loss and yeah, that... really is just a matter of calorie deficit. when you need to be less active, just eat less. I sprained my ankle badly in July. I lost a lot of my activity to heal. Seasons change, injuries happen, schedules go to pot, people get sick, emergencies within the family or work eat more time and take away some time to be active.

Might as well get used to adjusting for those things now. Otherwise you're going to be thrown much harder when inevitability happens, you know? Find a way to get it in if you can but for general health. Also practice the need to adjust intake for the absolute certainty that your activity will fluctuate with life.

You're right, that's true. I think this goes along with what I've just realised above. This year at uni is extremely important, I have an exam in June and a memory like a sieve so I need to be studying like a pro, and I think this is where the part of my brain comes in that goes "dont waste time exercising you need to study!"

So I'm thinking more along the lines of cutting the portion size a bit but also still doing a little exercise, maybe 30mins on the treadmill as opposed to my usual 1hr outside, leaving extra time for studying.

cmriverside wrote: »

I didn't read the whole thread, but you mentioned you felt bad for the dog not getting its walk if you use the treadmill.

Dog can walk on treadmill, too. All it cares about is you and a bit of exercise. You could let it sniff right outside your door for its "outside" fix.

Aw that's cute! My dog is nervous, any bang or sudden loud noise or movement and she flinches and runs. She's seen the treadmill and isn't impressed We're lucky we do have a lengthy side garden so Dad sits outside with her in the afternoons and she has a sniff and run around. I do enjoy our walks together but we'll still get them at the weekend.

AKTipsyCat wrote: »

Is there a HS nearby that might have a track you can walk on? I wear reflectors, carry a blinky light, and bear spray. I live in Alaska so by next month it will be dark most of the day, and I routinely walk in single digit weather. Cold is never an excuse for me not to get out doors - because you can always dress for cold. (however, give me a hot day and I'm useless - LOL, can't really dress for heat.)

Oh I agree I'll walk in the cold it doesn't bother me, if you've got the right coat and stuff I'm good lol The nearest high school is actually at the end of the route we take if we were to carry on and not cut off where we do. Though I think it might work a bit differently where you are, here when school is done the gates are locked and you can't get in so I wouldn't be able to use their courts. Good shout though!

Redordeadhead wrote: »

That's a really good idea, do you have any neighbours you could team up with? Bonus for you and it means your dog won't only get a walk 2 days a week, so win win!

If your dog isn't walking Monday-Friday, how is she getting exercise those days, in a garden? Maybe you can join her and do some garden exercise too for your calorie burn - I know a few people who did this while gyms were closed and ended up enjoying being able to do it outside vs in front of the TV.

You know what, you've just given me an idea! My dog does roam the garden in the afternoon as my Dad looks after her, so I don't really fancy doing anything there as I don't know what I'm stepping in However, 40lb ago I bought a skipping rope! I did use it but I got bad leg pain so figured I was just too overweight and all of my weight bouncing on my bones was causing the pain. But I could try again now and see if things are any easier, especially since we've had our back garden patio-ed we have more room!

springlering62 wrote: »

What about one of the folding treadmills that slide under a bed? Good for you, not so much for the pup.

I have a treadmill I bought in 2015 and has mostly done a fantastic job at being tucked away It's one of those proper motorised ones though so it folds upwards rather than flat but I'm sure with a bit of moving things around downstairs I can find a setup that works. Until Christmas when we need the table to have our Christmas dinner at Yeah I do feel bad for her bless her, the vet said she was about 2kg overweight herself so I want to make sure she's healthy too but not at the cost of our safety really.

Turtlemummy wrote: »

Hi, I'm also in the UK, I live in the countryside and regularly walk/run through the fields and woods alone, in the dark if necessary.

My take on it is this: In an area with few people, why on earth would a potential attacker hang out in the cold and dark on the off chance someone would walk past? The only people out and about are farmers and dog walkers, and maybe the odd runner / mountain biker. Usually at night there's noone.

As a tiny precaution, I avoid routine. Never the same route at the same time of day/ day of the week. But generally I don't feel unsafe. I would be far more worried walking alone through a brightly lit city at night than across my local field tracks!

I think it's because we do take the same route every night that's playing a big part, it's not the best idea I know and there was a man one day that backtracked on himself walking alone that made me very suspicious. It just happens to be the longest way that we can walk that isn't against a road (nervous dog).

I'd like to go at night and assume that because it's dark no one will be out so I'll be on my own, but the other part of me thinks 'if there's no one else out then there's a reason for that' lol

lorrpb wrote: »

How did you walk your dog before March 2021?

I was a bad Mum and only walked her on weekends. I work full time and would say that I was too tired after work, and when uni is on (roughly Sept/Oct - May/June) I would say I needed to study. Now I actually enjoy walking together and find it benefits not just me but her too, I'd like to find a way to keep going and study at the same time.