Coronavirus prep
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https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/30/kentucky-prioritizing-people-need-monoclonal-antibody-treatment/
Locally the monoclonal antibody treatment has helped several unvaccinated with serious health issues recover from Covid-19. They're several new antiviral new meds in testing that may be helpful as we move from the pandemic mindset world wide. Locally schools are the super spreaders leading to natural immunity in the large unvaccinated population.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earlier this summer is any indication, this transition to endemicity might be psychologically rocky. Reopening felt too fast for some, too slow for others. “People are having a hard time understanding one another’s risk tolerance,” says Julie Downs, a psychologist who studies health decisions at Carnegie Mellon University."
It will be interesting to see how that all plays out. It's been difficult enough for health authorities to convince some folks that Covid needed to be taken seriously but for others it has instilled genuine terror. I think that will be a difficult switch to flip.
One of the grocery stores where I shop frequently is still disinfecting the checkout belt between customers, despite the change in messaging about surface contamination quite a while back.
On the other hand, we've all learned some useful practices about disease prevention that will hopefully serve to reduce germ transmission going forward. One of my coworkers who goes into child care facilities frequently caught every passing bug and was constantly sick, in one year she had strep twice and pneumonia once. She says she will continue mask-wearing indefinitely.
This actually seems like a best practice without regard to COVID. One customer may put packed raw meat and poultry on the belt, with no knowledge of whether it might have rested in liquid from a leaking adjacent pack or be leaking itself, and the next person might put foods that will be eaten raw on the belt.
It does create a helluva long queue at the checkouts though. And I'm not wild about my foods-that-will-be-eaten-raw coming into contact with chemical disinfectants (I've put purchases down on a wet belt several times) that probably aren't safe for consumption.
While I'm conscious of my plastic consumption, I do put produce* in plastic bags because I don't want it to touch the belt and come in contact with raw meat liquid OR chemical disinfectants.
* The exception would be produce like bananas with a thick peel. I'd bag thin peel foods like potatoes because using a peeler would spread any contamination around.8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earlier this summer is any indication, this transition to endemicity might be psychologically rocky. Reopening felt too fast for some, too slow for others. “People are having a hard time understanding one another’s risk tolerance,” says Julie Downs, a psychologist who studies health decisions at Carnegie Mellon University."
It will be interesting to see how that all plays out. It's been difficult enough for health authorities to convince some folks that Covid needed to be taken seriously but for others it has instilled genuine terror. I think that will be a difficult switch to flip.
One of the grocery stores where I shop frequently is still disinfecting the checkout belt between customers, despite the change in messaging about surface contamination quite a while back.
On the other hand, we've all learned some useful practices about disease prevention that will hopefully serve to reduce germ transmission going forward. One of my coworkers who goes into child care facilities frequently caught every passing bug and was constantly sick, in one year she had strep twice and pneumonia once. She says she will continue mask-wearing indefinitely.
This actually seems like a best practice without regard to COVID. One customer may put packed raw meat and poultry on the belt, with no knowledge of whether it might have rested in liquid from a leaking adjacent pack or be leaking itself, and the next person might put foods that will be eaten raw on the belt.
It does create a helluva long queue at the checkouts though. And I'm not wild about my foods-that-will-be-eaten-raw coming into contact with chemical disinfectants (I've put purchases down on a wet belt several times) that probably aren't safe for consumption.
While I'm conscious of my plastic consumption, I do put produce* in plastic bags because I don't want it to touch the belt and come in contact with raw meat liquid OR chemical disinfectants.
* The exception would be produce like bananas with a thick peel. I'd bag thin peel foods like potatoes because using a peeler would spread any contamination around.
Yeah you don't know what has been on that belt. Friend just told me about this. He was in line at a grocery store, guy in front of him was sagging and leaning up against the checkout. When the guy turned a bit my friend saw a brown streak on the exposed tidy whities the guy with the sagging jeans was wearing.
Friend went to a different register and hasn't been back to rhat store.2 -
In Australia, $1million up for grabs, milliondollarvax campaign with the funds being donated by philanthropists. I'd be interested to know if the rate of vaccinations has a sharp increase in October.
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I hope your vaccination number do go up, though I fear paying someone to have a vaccine is not exactly wise. In my view its better they understand the benefits for themselves and the community being less likely to be as ill from it. Opening your borders to your own twice vaccinated persons, allowing those trapped over seas to return home must be wonderful news for so many families.
Crossing finger we can all everywhere get hands on or should it be arms under a vaccine. Its still rather worrying.6 -
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Yeah learning to live with endemic Covid is going to be interesting. I have been home sick all week with a bad cold/flu (not Covid) - I need to go back into the office next week but I have a really bad cough which experience tells me will probably linger for a while. Not sure what to do - post viral cough can linger for weeks - and I can't stay home that long.
I do think we are going to have to stop relying on symptoms. They've mentioned on TWIV that it seems clear vaccinated people are only contagious for a short time, if at all. They even think the initial 2 week quarantine for unvaxxed positive tests is probably more than necessary. But better access to cheaper tests would sure help too.
And as someone whose been about as cautious about covid as anyone, I don't think twice about hearing someone in the office coughing. I'm vaccinated and they aren't coughing in my face, so I'm not too concerned.
Does your work have rules about employees with symptoms? Can you get tested to be sure?
Regardless, hope you feel well soon!
My husband got sick a few days before me and he tested negative so I didn't bother. I definitely got whatever he has.
My work is ridiculous - it's a small firm of 7 people and the guy who runs it won't come in if anyone else is there (so we all have to stay home on Friday's and he goes in then and in the evenings the rest of the week) and the rest of us just basically have to fend for ourselves and make our own rules. I basically emailed everyone and told them I NEED to go in Monday so if they don't want to be around me then stay home until I leave. I'll work from home for another couple of days after that. It's a *kitten*-show really there is no leadership or policy. We are all vaccinated so I'm not too concerned either.
I've been sick for a week and can't remember when a cold hit me this hard. I am wondering if isolating for so long means that when we finally are exposed to even non-Covid germs again they just hit us that much harder? Gonna make sure to get a flu shot this fall.8 -
Yeah learning to live with endemic Covid is going to be interesting. I have been home sick all week with a bad cold/flu (not Covid) - I need to go back into the office next week but I have a really bad cough which experience tells me will probably linger for a while. Not sure what to do - post viral cough can linger for weeks - and I can't stay home that long.
I do think we are going to have to stop relying on symptoms. They've mentioned on TWIV that it seems clear vaccinated people are only contagious for a short time, if at all. They even think the initial 2 week quarantine for unvaxxed positive tests is probably more than necessary. But better access to cheaper tests would sure help too.
And as someone whose been about as cautious about covid as anyone, I don't think twice about hearing someone in the office coughing. I'm vaccinated and they aren't coughing in my face, so I'm not too concerned.
Does your work have rules about employees with symptoms? Can you get tested to be sure?
Regardless, hope you feel well soon!
My husband got sick a few days before me and he tested negative so I didn't bother. I definitely got whatever he has.
My work is ridiculous - it's a small firm of 7 people and the guy who runs it won't come in if anyone else is there (so we all have to stay home on Friday's and he goes in then and in the evenings the rest of the week) and the rest of us just basically have to fend for ourselves and make our own rules. I basically emailed everyone and told them I NEED to go in Monday so if they don't want to be around me then stay home until I leave. I'll work from home for another couple of days after that. It's a *kitten*-show really there is no leadership or policy. We are all vaccinated so I'm not too concerned either.
I've been sick for a week and can't remember when a cold hit me this hard. I am wondering if isolating for so long means that when we finally are exposed to even non-Covid germs again they just hit us that much harder? Gonna make sure to get a flu shot this fall.
Ugh, that all sounds super frustrating.
Again just parroting what I remember hearing from all these virology podcasts, but unless we were in a hermetically sealed bubble, our immune systems were dealing with invaders the whole time and are no weaker than they were 2 years ago. Feel free to take that with a grain of salt though, as I can't credit it to any specific moment or source. I remember one host saying a child playing in their backyard would encounter plenty of germs and such to keep their immune system fired up. But I guess we'll all find out for ourselves here. I'm with you, I'll be sure to get my flu shot sometime this month. And I am way more aware of the lapses in hand hygiene I used to not think about after having been out in public!5 -
I know it's been a while since I've been on this thread, but something came up yesterday. Just another side bar to how Covid-19 has effected so many. My wife has been in the process of losing one sibling (she has two living, one passed at 20 from a sudden brain aneurism). Her only sister has likely only months to live from advanced early Alzheimer's and that's been very tough on her.
She got a call yesterday that her oldest sibling, her brother, has cancer. They found a lime sized tumor that's growing, on his kidney. Yet, he has to wait two months to get it taken out because the hospitals in Cincinnati are so full with Covid patients (nearly all of them unvaccinated).
When this started, it was so easy for me to see the immediate risks, but these things you never think about, and the entire scenarios that have stemmed from people refusing to be vaccinated, are just mind bogglingly stupid and aggravating.
I follow a lot of the cancer research and know that we're so far ahead of where we were just 5 or 10 years ago, but he shared with her how nervous he is waiting to know if it's spread and they can't take it out for months. That's very sad.27 -
Yes- Mike-- it is incredibly SAD esp. since so many of the hospitalizations for Covid COULD have been avoided or at least stays made shorter IF they would have simply gotten the vaccine---I pray for your wife's sibling - so tired of all the collateral damage from this!9
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Yeah learning to live with endemic Covid is going to be interesting. I have been home sick all week with a bad cold/flu (not Covid) - I need to go back into the office next week but I have a really bad cough which experience tells me will probably linger for a while. Not sure what to do - post viral cough can linger for weeks - and I can't stay home that long.
I do think we are going to have to stop relying on symptoms. They've mentioned on TWIV that it seems clear vaccinated people are only contagious for a short time, if at all. They even think the initial 2 week quarantine for unvaxxed positive tests is probably more than necessary. But better access to cheaper tests would sure help too.
And as someone whose been about as cautious about covid as anyone, I don't think twice about hearing someone in the office coughing. I'm vaccinated and they aren't coughing in my face, so I'm not too concerned.
Does your work have rules about employees with symptoms? Can you get tested to be sure?
Regardless, hope you feel well soon!
My work is kind of ridiculous in this regard. One of my employees has had to stay out of the office since last Thursday. She has had a negative COVID test and also a doctors note stating that she has seasonal allergies and the symptoms are X, Y, and Z. Those symptoms happen to mirror some of the COVID symptoms so regardless of the negative test and the doctors note and she is vaxed, she cannot return to the office until she is symptom free for 72 hours. I don't know anyone with seasonal allergies who is symptom free during their allergy season...at this rate she could be home into perpetuity. They need to change this policy if in fact we're going to move forward...you can't keep people home if a virus is going to be endemic just because the symptoms are similar...especially if it's documented that it isn't COVID as per a test and an actual doctors note.
She called me yesterday to tell me she's going to just go on vacation for a week to Michigan since her allergies aren't going away and she can't come to the office.16 -
Had Pfizer #3 today, now eagerly anticipating my transmogrification into a government-controlled zombie robot (GCZR) 🤖. Can anyone give me a timeline on that, from experience? Some people I know say that the fact I got #3 (well #1-2, anyway) shows I'm already a GCZR, but I was thinking it would feel different. So confusing! 🤣
But seriously:
It was interesting to see the small ways that the drive-through vax center (in an old indoor auto care site) has changed since March. Less regimentation, less traffic-directing, less traffic, shorter lines, no obvious National Guard participation, and more. The post-vax monitoring was mostly just an employee checking in to say we could self-time when to leave, and what to look out for symptom-wise. Just one staff person periodically walking to the newer cars in line to explain that, mostly, rather than a more attentive continuing patrol by a couple of folks back in March, and a back then a need to wait until flagged as OK to leave.
So far, no side effects. Woman who gave me the injection said most people seem to get side effects similar to the previous shot, if that - extra symptoms rare.18 -
tiptoethruthetulips wrote: »In Australia, $1million up for grabs, milliondollarvax campaign with the funds being donated by philanthropists. I'd be interested to know if the rate of vaccinations has a sharp increase in October.
I entered and so did some others I told but we were already all vax'd ages ago so it's just a bonus if we win anything. It's actually over 4 million. 1 million is the major prize at the end but lots of smaller ones before then every day I believe. I do hope it helps to get more vaccinations. It's not good enough here if we do ever get an outbreak. My city never had it spread in the community still ever. We are wearing mask for two weeks though as we had someone here with it fly in but so far in over a week all is good still. He was double vaccinated so looks like we dodged another bullet.9 -
Have seen some interesting questions regarding why US vax/testing mandates while impacting federal workers, workers with over 100 employees they do not cover welfare or SNAP recipients. Have not really found any good reason why this isn't on the table.
It's a shame, since in the US the lower income population makes up a large unvaxed demographic.4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Have seen some interesting questions regarding why US vax/testing mandates while impacting federal workers, workers with over 100 employees they do not cover welfare or SNAP recipients. Have not really found any good reason why this isn't on the table.
It's a shame, since in the US the lower income population makes up a large unvaxed demographic.
The mandate for companies with over 100 employees was done via OSHA, which does not cover welfare recipients.
The federal employee mandate was issued via executive order, applying only to the executive branch, which is why Congress, the legislative branch, is not subject to Presidential order either.
There are initiatives to reach the groups who are unvaccinated but willing.11 -
Well, my arrogant, conspiracy-theoried, anti-vax family ended up getting Covid. The preventative Ivermectin treatments they've been bragging about taking for months now failed to stop infection and failed to cure. Just found out my mom is in the hospital with Covid pneumonia. She's been sick for 10 days, and really bad for half that time, but they were too stubborn and proud to go in sooner. Nobody had the guts to tell me earlier - probably because of the disdain they showed me when I got vaxxed and received that evil microchip. Hoping for the best possible outcome. And yes, I'm pissed off!36
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@jenilla1 -- I'm so sorry to hear that. I wish her and you the best. That's sad to hear and I can't blame you being mad either.9
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kshama2001 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Have seen some interesting questions regarding why US vax/testing mandates while impacting federal workers, workers with over 100 employees they do not cover welfare or SNAP recipients. Have not really found any good reason why this isn't on the table.
It's a shame, since in the US the lower income population makes up a large unvaxed demographic.
The mandate for companies with over 100 employees was done via OSHA, which does not cover welfare recipients.
The federal employee mandate was issued via executive order, applying only to the executive branch, which is why Congress, the legislative branch, is not subject to Presidential order either.
There are initiatives to reach the groups who are unvaccinated but willing.
To me, it kind of feels like the executive branch is looking for pretty much any existing regulatory authority they have, that can be used to require vaccination or give a strong push to the unvaxinated hesitant.
Even if they have some relevant authority, I don't think welfare/SNAP would be the first go-to, simply because of how it would be received to make children's food/housing security dependent on the parents' vax status, in effect.11 -
Covid is spreading through the big cats at the local zoo. A snow leopard has died.
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