Coronavirus prep
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EXACTLY why my husband has barely gotten out of the house since this all began. His dementia isn’t bad enough (yet) for him to be institutionalized. But he absolutely can not remember to wash his hands, or not scratch his nose, etc. He sometimes has to have help getting his mask on properly, also.
I will do everything in my power to keep him safe. Everything.
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My almost 84 yo mother has some memory issues but is not into dementia yet. However, she has been consistently terrible at wearing her mask correctly, i.e., over her nose (and sometimes mouth.)
She is vaccinated; I have to sign her up for her booster.
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I'm some years behind you in the aging parent health issue timeline. My partner's parents passed away in 2014 and 2017.
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It's like the TWIV people are monitoring this thread 😊, this study was referenced in the last clinical update episode:
"Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99)."
Certainly not the be all and end all, but another piece in the puzzle,
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Just wanna throw this spanner into the works….
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So, are the deer spending lots of time indoors in the vicinity of sick people, or closer than 6 feet outdoors (obviously unmasked, duh) for greater than 15 minutes? I understand how caged minks get infected, but not so much the wild animals.
If I were inclined to believe conspiracy theories, I'd believe the anti-hunting people were spreading propaganda.
It appears that is unlikely, if the meat is considered safe. But this article reminded me that people put deer in "zoos." I know the little free public zoo a few miles from me has deer contained by a chain-link fence, where, yes, they probably do get close enough to humans to catch the disease, and there's no reason wild deer wouldn't approach near enough to catch the disease from the caged animals. So, that explains a reasonable source of transmission to wild deer that would satisfy me.
I'm glad the meat isn't unsafe, in case we need to resort to hunting to feed ourselves in the ongoing apocalypse.
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All you need is one deer to catch it from a human and then spread it to the other deer, not each and every deer to catch it from a human.
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All you need is one deer to catch it from a human and then spread it to the other deer, not each and every deer to catch it from a human.
Exactly.
And then it spreads back to the human population from one infected dear.
Either hunting. Or a zoo. Or like we have here, wild deer so utterly unfazed by humans that they are literally everywhere in town.
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I checked, and the comment I made after my link is showing up for me. Is it not visible to the rest of you?0
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MargaretYakoda wrote: »All you need is one deer to catch it from a human and then spread it to the other deer, not each and every deer to catch it from a human.
Exactly.
And then it spreads back to the human population from one infected dear.
Either hunting. Or a zoo. Or like we have here, wild deer so utterly unfazed by humans that they are literally everywhere in town.
I can't speak to research practices in the US but I do know that here the wildlife conservation people are continually catching and tagging animals to study them, which involves direct contact.
There have been zoo animals that have tested positive for the virus, and the general population is generally kept well away from any physical contact with them.2 -
Re: animal populations. I have been thinking for some time that populations of feral cats can probably act as a reservoir for covid, since we know cats can get it. There’s apparently “no evidence of transmission to humans” but that mainly means no one has studied it yet. The last thing we need is a panic with people killing all the cats. But it might be good to know if adopting a stray could potentially give you Covid, so they can be tested first.
I also wonder about raccoons. They are very rarely studied for various reasons - they can get rabies and native wildlife laws make it illegal to keep them in captivity in many places - but they live near to humans, and if ever a creature existed which was likely to catch something from a human, they are it. I mean, they eat our trash. So the question is, can they even catch Covid? Do they act as a reservoir for it?0 -
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Yes, congrats. An entire page of the CDC saying they haven’t studied this yet. “We haven’t seen any evidence” is not the same as evidence one way or the other.
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Does that not mean, till someone produces an animal actually with covid, there will be no "evidence" of them having having covid. A case of a pet having covid should be reported to the statutory authorities by the vet.
So the very next time your pet has been exposed like yourself to a person with full on active covid, watch its behaviours and demeanas for 14 days keeping it in isolation, to see if it develops symptoms, as you would had you been contacted by "track and trace" for yourself, then do a lateral flow test on it. (My cat would hate it but if needs must.) If the pet is positive for covid, contact your vet and ask for help, then ask them to inform your authorities.
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Does that not mean, till someone produces an animal actually with covid, there will be no "evidence" of them having having covid. A case of a pet having covid should be reported to the statutory authorities by the vet.
So the very next time your pet has been exposed like yourself to a person with full on active covid, watch its behaviours and demeanas for 14 days keeping it in isolation, to see if it develops symptoms, as you would had you been contacted by "track and trace" for yourself, then do a lateral flow test on it. (My cat would hate it but if needs must.) If the pet is positive for covid, contact your vet and ask for help, then ask them to inform your authorities.
I've no idea how you could test an avian pet thought
There absolutely is evidence that domestic cats and dogs get covid, as well as many types of zoo animals. What the CDC is saying is there’s no evidence of humans catching it from pets. Which, considering that about 65% of cases here have an unknown source, isn’t saying much. Our contact tracing is extremely lacking and we don’t know jack about where cases come from in this country.
BTW cats apparently mostly cough and wheeze for a couple of weeks, in case you do ever wonder about yours.2 -
There is a veterinary version of the COVID vaccine available that zoos are using to vaccinate some of their animals...mostly cats and primates, since they seem to be vulnerable to COVID.
I don't know if they are available for pets.3 -
Argh. My 77 yo sister cleans for someone once a week. The last time she was there was last Monday. The woman's dh came down with Covid Tuesday, the wife came down with it Wednesday. She just notified my sister this morning(Sunday) This couple was not vaccinated and none of them wore a mask when they were with each other. My sister is thankfully fully vaccinated and boostered as well. But now she's terrified and for myself, I'm kinda angry about this couple never offering the info to my sister or wearing a mask or anything. And my sister is kicking herself about everything.
I guess my point is this, even if you're going to be around only 1-2 people, please wear a mask!!! This elderly couple has a bad case of Covid. And I hope they'll be okay. But dang it all to Hades.
I'd like to think if my sister was going to get it, she'd've gotten symptoms by now? I suggested she get a test tomorrow just for her own peace of mind. Egads, how many people did my sister come in contact with in the past 5-6 days without having a clue she could be carrying anything.
Oh and WTH happened to the state notifying contacts? Has that gone kaput as well?17 -
Argh. My 77 yo sister cleans for someone once a week. The last time she was there was last Monday. The woman's dh came down with Covid Tuesday, the wife came down with it Wednesday. She just notified my sister this morning(Sunday) This couple was not vaccinated and none of them wore a mask when they were with each other. My sister is thankfully fully vaccinated and boostered as well. But now she's terrified and for myself, I'm kinda angry about this couple never offering the info to my sister or wearing a mask or anything. And my sister is kicking herself about everything.
I guess my point is this, even if you're going to be around only 1-2 people, please wear a mask!!! This elderly couple has a bad case of Covid. And I hope they'll be okay. But dang it all to Hades.
I'd like to think if my sister was going to get it, she'd've gotten symptoms by now? I suggested she get a test tomorrow just for her own peace of mind. Egads, how many people did my sister come in contact with in the past 5-6 days without having a clue she could be carrying anything.
Oh and WTH happened to the state notifying contacts? Has that gone kaput as well?
FWIW delta usually shows symptoms more quickly than the original virus - often within a couple of days and usually within five. So with every passing day your sister is more likely to be in the clear.7 -
I was not really serious. I'm not worried about my cat, she hardly ever goes out in the garden yet alone beyond our hedges, for the most part we are behaving as if we are still in lockdown so she is not likely to get it from us. Beg your pardon for being provocative.
BTW Our UK role out of the boosters is impossible. When the medical practices were doing the original role out everyone had the possibility of getting a vaccine reasonably close to home, couples could go together, it was systematic and only after those older or with health issues were covered were the gates opened to all. With the boosters the local doctors are not involved and there are few vaccination centres and the occasional chemists. The last we saw was we'd have to travel 30 miles. I've better things to do with my time than sit in traffic getting to places with higher concentrations of covid.
Now three weeks since we were invited to play this massive gamble taking our chances at 6 months post vaccination not only can younger people book when they are 5 months past second vaccination but now in the space of three weeks its going to become a free for all but only if you are prepared to travel. If they really want one to have the vaccine they, the powers that be should make it easy to do. We've gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. They are complaining not enough of us are taking up the offer! I conclude they don't want us to have it. Its madness. The exception seems to be Bradford, there places were less than three miles apart, but that was as a crow8 -
MargaretYakoda wrote: »Just wanna throw this spanner into the works….
They are thinning the herd every morning and every evening around here so they may clear out the ones that's diseased and eat them.0 -
LOL, I'm feeling it.
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I was not really serious. I'm not worried about my cat, she hardly ever goes out in the garden yet alone beyond our hedges, for the most part we are behaving as if we are still in lockdown so she is not likely to get it from us. Beg your pardon for being provocative.
BTW Our UK role out of the boosters is impossible. When the medical practices were doing the original role out everyone had the possibility of getting a vaccine reasonably close to home, couples could go together, it was systematic and only after those older or with health issues were covered were the gates opened to all. With the boosters the local doctors are not involved and there are few vaccination centres and the occasional chemists. The last we saw was we'd have to travel 30 miles. I've better things to do with my time than sit in traffic getting to places with higher concentrations of covid.
Now three weeks since we were invited to play this massive gamble taking our chances at 6 months post vaccination not only can younger people book when they are 5 months past second vaccination but now in the space of three weeks its going to become a free for all but only if you are prepared to travel. If they really want one to have the vaccine they, the powers that be should make it easy to do. We've gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. They are complaining not enough of us are taking up the offer! I conclude they don't want us to have it. Its madness. The exception seems to be Bradford, there places were less than three miles apart, but that was as a crow
See, here I travel 30 miles to my grocery store, so that doesn’t sound unreasonable!5 -
rheddmobile wrote: »I was not really serious. I'm not worried about my cat, she hardly ever goes out in the garden yet alone beyond our hedges, for the most part we are behaving as if we are still in lockdown so she is not likely to get it from us. Beg your pardon for being provocative.
BTW Our UK role out of the boosters is impossible. When the medical practices were doing the original role out everyone had the possibility of getting a vaccine reasonably close to home, couples could go together, it was systematic and only after those older or with health issues were covered were the gates opened to all. With the boosters the local doctors are not involved and there are few vaccination centres and the occasional chemists. The last we saw was we'd have to travel 30 miles. I've better things to do with my time than sit in traffic getting to places with higher concentrations of covid.
Now three weeks since we were invited to play this massive gamble taking our chances at 6 months post vaccination not only can younger people book when they are 5 months past second vaccination but now in the space of three weeks its going to become a free for all but only if you are prepared to travel. If they really want one to have the vaccine they, the powers that be should make it easy to do. We've gone from the sublime to the ridiculous. They are complaining not enough of us are taking up the offer! I conclude they don't want us to have it. Its madness. The exception seems to be Bradford, there places were less than three miles apart, but that was as a crow
See, here I travel 30 miles to my grocery store, so that doesn’t sound unreasonable!
Here the boosters are at every drug store, and I am walking distance to multiple drug stores. Perhaps just a city vs not thing.7 -
Kiddos got their first doses last Thursday. I got my booster this past Monday. No issues all the way around. Kids were totally fine and my booster was just like my first two doses...zero side effects. Arm was a bit sore that evening, but I always get my jabs in my right arm as it is my dominant and moving it around all the time seems to make that soreness disappear pretty quickly.11
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I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.9 -
Rheddmobile
OK, you live in the US. I live in the UK. We do not drive the distances you do. Our country, the 4 Countries which make up the UK in total area are probably smaller than most of your States!
I've always liked to keep my carbon footprint low. In my youth and through to my 40's I thought nothing of cycling 100+ miles (UK, incase they are different) a week. Having a car, later than most did not mean I liked increasing my carbon foot print but to work it was essential. I've planted trees where ever I've lived. We now I'm lucky enough to have planted a small wood at the bottom of the garden, envied by a neighbour. Long ago I'd learned, a speed of 45/50 gave best mileage/less carbon emissions on open roads. In the town I never revved my engine at lights, nor relied on my brakes, nor hung on the tail of the car in front. I grew up in an time of, make do and mend too. The desperate state some islands are in because of Climate Change, remember the conference last week? Says we should only do "essential" carbon releasing activities only. Locally our council are carrying out miles road works to enable cyclists to get from A to B on major roads making "essential" travel time consuming.
I was able to have my vaccine through a group of local medical practices, I doubt any of us on the "phone list" drove more than 5 miles round trip, the place was easy to find on maps, if you'd no previous knowledge. This did not inconvenience me from maintaining my child care commitments to keep my fulltime Healthcare Assistant granddaughter in work, even through the worst of the lockdown restrictions when only one minding set up was permitted and now. I'm enabling her to do the work I did, so I'm still supporting our healthcare system! I'm in my 70's and I don't think its too much to ask to be able to have the booster on the doorstep, so to speak, the same as the original vaccinations. If they are that keen on us getting these vaccines it should be made more easy for those who have been considered to be "in need" by virtue of age.
Yesterday I discovered my slightly older neighbour, was able to have her vaccine at the same place the original vaccines were given, she had been offered an appointment by phone from her medical practice as we'd been the first time round. This was because she is with a neighbouring Medical Practice which has now been able to start offering the service. Probably because provision through this present system is such a shambles and they want to do better than what has been on offer. I wish ours had been equally considerate to do similarly.
The way our system is working is a total shambles, now all comers able to get vaccines before those who are deemed to be at "Risk" have been able to find a slot. It seems we have to spend every hour of the day and night searching for an appointment, one premises says they have vaccine but you can't access them, that part of the system is Jammed. I can't imagine every little, old and disabled driver heading off through wind and rain into dark afternoons. I forget that's me, (my doctors are amazed with the degree of arthritis I have in my knees, I can still stand and walk and be normal!) Then to be harried by crazy younger drivers tailgating them all the way, then when they arrive in the new to them town, they have to find their way to the premises.
Who knows what health events could be triggered in these elderly by others bad driving. The standard of driving in our area has gone down hill radically in the time of COVID. I know because I drive before 08-00, different times of day and after 17-00, often with two young children in the car. I am often a nervous wreck by the the time I get home after it all. Before you comment, I should drive to the restrictions, I do and I drive carefully, when stuck in a line of traffic I leave space across minor road junctions and let other drivers enter the highway.
All I would like is to be treated as I was 7 months ago. thank you.6 -
I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.
Thank you for this post. I was wondering this morning what the current TWIV discussion about boosters is in light of the anticipated change in booster recommendation this weekend. Do they seem to think boosters are a good idea for healthy people under 65?
ETA: In every discussion I have seen, virologists stress vaccinating the unvaccinated would have a much greater impact on public health than boosting the vaccinated, and hence that is where efforts should be placed. I get that. Roger. I'm just asking as a 50-something vaccinated person, not the director of public health resources. When I get the booster is solidly decoupled from any unvaccinated person changing their mind.1 -
I was in touch with a parent of our local school this afternoon; in her dd's 3rd grade class 50% of her classmates are out after having tested positive.
It feels like 1 or both of her dds are home every other week being quarantined. I cannot imagine being a parent right now of young ones in school.
My sister's friends who have Covid this week had antibody infusions. They're in their 80's and hadn't gotten vaccinated. They've been pretty sick but think the infusions are helping; though they're feeling terribly weak.
Thankfully, my sister's been fully vaccinated and tested negative after her exposure to them. The other 3 women who were exposed at the same time, have all been vaccinated and also tested negative.11 -
I got the J&J so I have an appt this Friday with the health dept to get my booster. I'm getting Pfizer because it is the most available here in central Virginia for some reason.
Just listened to the last couple of TWIV clinical updates with Dr Griffin and figured I'd report some random points that stuck with me.
He reiterated that none of the currently available antibody tests should be used as a measure of immunity, and is disappointed some sources are doing so. There is no data to suggest that antibody level is indicative of immunity level. Immunity is a complicated process and goes beyond simple antibody levels.
He mentioned that initial studies suggested that long covid incidence is reduced by more than 50% in vaccinated covid infections, and that anecdotally front-line clinicians report almost no long covid cases in vaccinated people with break through infections. Since they still don't know what the root cause of long covid is, this is fabulous news if it holds up!
He also mentioned there's been more clinical attention paid to lingering brain fog in covid cases. There is mounting evidence that this isn't just a subjective "feeling" but it is legit cognitive deficit. It looks like it's more prevalent among young to middle-aged women (who not coincidentally tend to have hard to pin down symptoms like this down played by doctors).
In general, the TWIV virologists are still unconvinced immunity is "waning" and think it's quite possible continuing spikes and the low levels of recorded breakthrough cases come down to the fact that there are still too many unvaccinated hosts keeping covid-19 particles circulating easily in communities. Specifically in the US, not even the leading states in vaxx rates are high enough (esp when you factor in children) to be anywhere near herd immunity or whatever weird hybrid level of immunity we will eventually stumble into.
Thank you for this post. I was wondering this morning what the current TWIV discussion about boosters is in light of the anticipated change in booster recommendation this weekend. Do they seem to think boosters are a good idea for healthy people under 65?
ETA: In every discussion I have seen, virologists stress vaccinating the unvaccinated would have a much greater impact on public health than boosting the vaccinated, and hence that is where efforts should be placed. I get that. Roger. I'm just asking as a 50-something vaccinated person, not the director of public health resources. When I get the booster is solidly decoupled from any unvaccinated person changing their mind.
My impression, which relies on my memory and attention span lol, is that they are unsure whether folks who aren't high risk need a third shot. They def agree with what you heard, but aren't sure blocking booster access would help get more shots to other places. It sounds to me like they think that if everyone had two shots, only the very high risk would need a third. But since regular vaxxed folks may be surrounded by unvaxxed folks, maybe a third shot for anyone who wants it isn't a bad idea, and it won't hurt. They do think J&J people should get a second shot, though they are still better off with one shot than unvaxxed.
Unfortunately not really a clear answer, but that's where they are to the best of my memory :drinker:5
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