how do you stay motivated with a large goal
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Do you think your overly strict plan is sustainable for maintenence @revinso?
Because as soon as you stop doing what you're doing you will gain the weight back if you don't learn to moderate rather than restrict.
Like others have said - I think it's important to listen to others that are already at maintenance and take their ideas and advice on board.
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springlering62 wrote: »I tried to keep my mouth zipped, but I can’t.
Maybe a totally harsh militant attitude works for you. I was pretty inflexible when I started, too. I bet every one of us was pretty “gung ho, let’s do this”
at the start.
But I soon found that life pretty much sucked without good food and celebrations, and good food and celebrations generally come with calories.
So I let regulated and controlled amounts back in, and occasionally give myself the grace to just have at it for a day or two, too.
Welcome, Doughnut Sundays!!!
In absolute fairness I wasn't gung-ho at the outset.
I am incredibly, hugely, to the point of rigidity, anti-rigidity and find 'go big or go home' attitudes in life in general toxic as heck. This is because I AM OBSESSIVE AS HOLY HECK so I had to be slow and easy and, uh, pretty gung-ho and rigid about not being gung-ho and rigid.
Basically I learned how much that doesn't work for me and my mental health too, I just happened to be lucky and learn it before I even approached weight loss. Learned it with dog sports, actually. You ever try to be 'all or nothing' and 'perfectionist' with a dog as your sports partner? Bad plan. Good lesson, but BAD PLAN.6 -
There is lots of good advice in the answer above, but for me...
Q. How do you eat an elephant?
A. In small chunks.
30lb down is a great start. So I'm in the UK and I use stones as markers, but you could use 10lb chunks instead.
You just need to keep doing what you have been doing and make 40lb your next mini-goal.
Trust me you will start to spot differences, you will feel more mobile, you will feel the clothes loosen. You are doing the right things.
The best advise is not to panic, you don't have to be perfect, you don't have to get it right every day.
Just do what you can keep doing over again. I could stop drinking a couple of beers at a weekend, but I dont want to. I could stop eating carbs and no sweets, but I dont want to, but as long as I stop mindless eating and make better choices most of the time all will go the right way.12 -
fatfish420 wrote: »by large goal I don't necessarily mean difficult but one that is going to be a long journey. In my case my goal weight when I started was to lose 180lbs I have lost just over 30 so far but nothing feels like it has changed. I am still wearing the same clothes and I can still get out of breath doing simple tasks. So I want to know from those who are either on long journeys or have reached their goal how do you stay motivated when the results while numerically significant don't show anywhere else.
I’ve been steadily losing 85 pounds from a high of 330 in July 2019, but started MFP in 2015 and had a couple loss-regain cycles before I figured out what worked for me.
Like others have said, I’ve learned to focus on habits, small habits like weighing myself and logging that into Fitbit, logging my food, weighing my food, and stacking in exercise as I’m able (I have an autoimmune muscle disease that limits my exercise at times).
My health sends me curveballs on the regular, so I have my habits set up with “basics,” “easy,” and “goals” in my mind. On my best of days, I strive for my goal habits. On rough patches, I rest back and slide by on my “easy habits.” When *kitten* really hits the fan, I go back to my “basic” habits (and usually bump back to maintenance calories too) and just try to get through whatever’s going on, remembering that my real goal in life is to maintain whatever weight I’ve lost, to not regain.
“Motivation” isn’t something you should need. If it’s something you’re searching for, it’s a sign that your plan isn’t set up right for you. Maybe your deficit is too steep. Maybe you have an erroneous idea that some foods are bad or off limits, or your diet is too restrictive in another way. Maybe you’re trying to start too many habits at once. Maybe you just need to adjust your mindset in another way. Regardless, “motivation” is fleeting and won’t carry you through any type of tough time or stress; you can’t set up a sustainable plan based upon such a flimsy foundation.
The great thing about habit-based weight loss is that you can choose to add-in and adjust habits as you go along. Start slow and grow as they seem easy. Pare back, but don’t quit altogether, if things seem to be too hard. If you hit a plateau, or just want to ramp up the speed of loss, you can choose to level up your game a notch or two. If you get sick of it all and want a break, you can choose to scale back to the minimums you need for maintenance. These choices are conscious. You’re fully in charge.
Making your goals based upon your habits gives you something you can actually control the outcomes of, too. You can control “I’ll log 95% of my meals this week.” You can’t control “I’ll lose 3 pounds this week.” You cannot control the scale, you’ll drive yourself nuts trying to for any length of time. Plus, once you hit maintenance (the real goal, right?) the scale is no longer as much of outcome goal, not one that you’ll get a boost from. “Yay! I still weigh 158!!” Doesnt give the same boost as losing. So, training yourself to focus on habit-based goals now is a long-term advantage.6 -
I disagree with a lot of the experience here. I think it is necessary to be very disciplined in order to succeed. I simply do not want to be fat. I have worked out home made meals, accurately calorie calculated, in sufficient variety to keep me interested, and I stick to those: no excuses. "Treats" are just lapses, and I simply stopped eating bread, cakes, added sugar, fruit juices, biscuits, sweets etc from day one. Zero alcohol from day one. Very limited potatoes and pasta within the meal plan, and no more than once a week. No manufactured food - I make everything and weigh everything. Moderate exercise 5 days out of 7. Daily weighing first thing. Weekly blood sugar and blood pressure checks and waist and neck and bicep measurement checks. I stay very hydrated, with cold water. There is no point just losing water in a diet. Body mass scales (very cheap now) help with a rough check on this.
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This method works, however IMO, it’s not sustainable in maintaining. I have lasted about 4 years at best, but was playing very competitive basketball in Miami. In my mid forties my body starting breaking down I couldn’t sustain my activity and level of play, and I gained weight back. This time in my early 50s I’m at maintenance after losing 60 lbs, however I have a goal of playing professional Pickleball, without this motivation I would not be able to continue with this approach. Listen to successful people, live is short…..are you really going to give up sugar, a casual drink, or a slice of pizza until your 6 feet under ground. Not a way to live, IMO!
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coryhart4389 wrote: »I disagree with a lot of the experience here. I think it is necessary to be very disciplined in order to succeed. I simply do not want to be fat. I have worked out home made meals, accurately calorie calculated, in sufficient variety to keep me interested, and I stick to those: no excuses. "Treats" are just lapses, and I simply stopped eating bread, cakes, added sugar, fruit juices, biscuits, sweets etc from day one. Zero alcohol from day one. Very limited potatoes and pasta within the meal plan, and no more than once a week. No manufactured food - I make everything and weigh everything. Moderate exercise 5 days out of 7. Daily weighing first thing. Weekly blood sugar and blood pressure checks and waist and neck and bicep measurement checks. I stay very hydrated, with cold water. There is no point just losing water in a diet. Body mass scales (very cheap now) help with a rough check on this.
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This method works, however IMO, it’s not sustainable in maintaining. I have lasted about 4 years at best, but was playing very competitive basketball in Miami. In my mid forties my body starting breaking down I couldn’t sustain my activity and level of play, and I gained weight back. This time in my early 50s I’m at maintenance after losing 60 lbs, however I have a goal of playing professional Pickleball, without this motivation I would not be able to continue with this approach. Listen to successful people, live is short…..are you really going to give up sugar, a casual drink, or a slice of pizza until your 6 feet under ground. Not a way to live, IMO!
And this is the crux of it for me.
I've said before that I would rather still be obese than never eat another cookie - and I mean it - but it isn't literally the cookie (or the pizza, or a beer or whatever thing). What is IS however is the recognition that food and sharing it is steeped into our species as... a BIG part of bonding and experiences for us as a whole species. Yeah, the foods vary by culture but the act of sharing food is a very, very HUMAN thing.
What I'm not going to give up is meeting my friends once a month to grab a burger. I'm not going to give up making a batch of Christmas cookies with my now grown children. I'm not going to refuse the food my elderly mother makes me the few times a year I see her, because it's got lots of butter and calories. I'm not going to not make s'mores around a campfire on our summer cabin rental.
I will BALANCE those things - skip the fries with the burger, send most of the cookies to work with the kids or husband, make a salad for us to share along with the food she made for me, up my activity when I'm at the cabin - with other options but get all strict and totally stop them or make my weight management plan rely on excluding myself from those sorts of things?
OH HECK NO.
Being a good weight adds a lot to my quality of life. I ride, I run, I paddleboard, I play all sorts of sports with dogs. That was the idea.
What was not the idea was reducing my quality of life and my time with people I love by making what I eat all the time some restrictive experience that leads to me not being totally present with people I love because I'm preoccupied by how many calories I'm consuming or burning during these relative limited periods of time.3 -
I didn't have a ton to lose, but lost 40 Lbs over the course of about 9 months. I actually never had a particular number in mind as a goal weight or Lbs to lose...I figured I'd just know when I got there. I didn't really focus a lot on the scale but rather focused on things like incorporating more exercise into my life and getting better nutrition, etc. My primary concerns were health related as I had a lot of bad bloodwork and was seeing my Dr. every 3 months over the course of that first year. My primary objective and motivation was to see improvement on that front for every visit. In doing the things I needed to do to improve my health, weight loss happened.
I also realized early on that just getting some weight off wasn't going to be the end of anything. If I wanted to maintain my health I would need to continue to do the same things I was doing while losing weight in maintenance. I more or less maintained my weight from April 2013 right up until the pandemic hit. Unfortunately I lost site of a lot of things and put on 20 Lbs since March of 2020. My physical in August also confirmed that my blood work, while not as bad as it was initially is starting to not look great. I have an appointment for a new GP at the end of January, so at minimum I want to see an improvement bloodwork wise, so I've been back in the bike saddle and in the weight room regularly again and eating better. I've lost a couple of Lbs but really going to be watching my diet more closely starting next week. I figure it'll take me a good 4-5 months to get back to where I was weight wise, but I'm hopeful that I can get my health markers in order faster.4 -
So this happened at lunch. Along with a beef taco salad. And I STILL come in with 200 calories to spare and thats after logging my estimated dinner. My diary is open, as promised.
And I lost 1.5 pounds this past week. 6 pounds over the past month.
SO.... you most certainly CAN eat out and drink (in moderation), and eat chocolate and carbs (those I do every day) and still lose weight and/or maintain.
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Doughnut Sundays. Yes, that dinner plate sized apple fritter dwarfs that really big fluffer nutter doughnut.
I enjoyed both and still came in under for the day. I have Doughnut Sundays built into my psyche- and my pre logged diary- every Sunday for months now.
* wow! Having a tough time getting used to the new format though!
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Would that be a singing dog I see there, Callsit?
our worst best one was a frog that croaked Christmas carols
😍
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I'm eating a Reese's cup for dinner.
It's fine though I hit my protein and fat targets already and saved the calories. It's fine. (Guac + tuna with tortilla chips for easy lunch. Do that. 10/10 highly recommend)
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i want a peanut butter cup for dinner LOL
it just wouldnt fill me up for long :/
hate the new format
@springlering62 it is the singing dog (do you follow me on IG? its on there) bestie and I are ... modifying the penguins to be CHICKENS! so it will be holly jolly and her chicks!
we have way too much time on our hands, apparently LOL
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LMAO no, i hadn't seen that incarnation of 'Billy' errrr 'Alexa' 😂
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Sorry to leap on too, but this is for the "lurkers". I've been here a long time and have read many many posts. I really wish this poster long term success, but have seen so many burn out with this attitude. They are usually back after several years because they regained everything. You CAN lose weight with moderation and changing your habits. Don't worry if you're losing slower than "Speedy Gonzales". Just keep going, don't give up, learn portion sizes FOR YOU (not eyeing how much others can eat), and try to do some movement (walking is free, and can be tailored to suit most people). Remember that other people, enjoying themselves with food, do not want to hear or see your martyrdom. Keep what you are doing to yourself. Plan for an enjoyable evening with friends and family by planning ahead what you can afford to eat, take half home, or splurge for that special occasion without guilt, but the next day get back to good habits.
Yes, this is long term, it never ends, and is for the rest of your life. The people I see succeed on MFP are like the posters above. If you're starting out --read their stories.
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Hi guys. I don't check in every day, so just caught up. Some of the reaction to my slightly provocative post was expected. In my case, as I am the house cook and shopper, I don't see a problem with maintaining weight when I get to my target. Part of the reason for this is that for most of my life I was not overweight, and only put weight on through gluttony to be frank when a serious accident forced me to stop competitive rowing for a couple of years but I did not cut the portion sizes back.
So I will just go back to what I did before - same foods and exercise. I am not really a cake and sweets person, and I hardly ever make things like pizza, so I do not feel I will lose out - I am eating the foods I like right now, just less. However, my biggest motivator is my brother. He is 5 years younger than me, eventually reached 28 stone (though he denied that) and had a catastrophic stroke. I have never been anywhere near his weight (and I am quite a bit taller) but the path to obesity is a scary one for me because of him.
The reason I posted was largely because of my experience in the health group I go to where there is a clear pattern of long term failure cycles, and a tendency not to set proper targets and stick to them. Almost all of the participants make excuses for their frequent lapses. They expect to fail and many of them do. For some reason I find this very frustrating. To me weight loss and fitness building is a straightforward scientific thing. The coaches know perfectly well pretty much from day 1 who will achieve their targets, but the process is non-interventionist, so it is educational rather than prescriptive and people are not forced (or shamed) to follow any regime.
My leisure background in competitive amateur sport - rowing and then equestrian sports then motorcycle sports, meant that my weight and fitness was a factor that I always had to monitor. I'll be fine, but the experience of being forced to lose weight, look at calorie counting and monitor nutrition, has been very interesting as I have never had the need to do this before to any significant degree. The psychology of it is in many ways even more interesting.4 -
I agree with others...it's not about motivation, it's about habits. I'll further it by saying: make the habits easy for you (meaning: change your environment). The more difficult something is, the harder it is to make it stick. We become overweight because the habits we have created lead to weight gain. An example of environment change: if you put your fruit/veggies where you can't see them and grab them, but leave cookies in an easy to see place, what are you going to grab? Overtime, that becomes a habit. Put a bowl of fruit on the counter and eventually, that becomes the habit. Little things added up make a BIG difference (like 1% changes...things so simple that they don't look like they'll make a difference). Essentially, make your life more healthy, and the changes will follow. It won't be overnight, just like gaining weight doesn't happen overnight, but eventually, it just will be...does that make sense?0
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I'm about six months in and down just over 50 pounds. (Halfway there!) There are always those times where it feels like I'm not moving forward and the scale bounces around. It gets frustrating.
What's worked for me is:
Logging every day - Whether I'm under my calorie goal or not, I try to be as honest as I can. I err on the side of higher calorie entries if I can't figure out the right one. I love hamburgers, so I build them into my eating plan.
Weighing every day - Even when the scale says I gained weight after I had a big meal. What's important to me is am I losing overall. What's amazing about MFP is that with every entry, we are creating a historical record that we can look back on to study when things were going well and when we've struggled. There is so much information at our fingertips.
Reading the forums - There is so much knowledge and experience here from people who are and have traveled this journey. Everyone's path is a little different and mine will be my own. There is not one way. We each need to decide what works for us. Our bodies react differently to certain foods, exercise, etc.
Trusting the process - In the past when I've been frustrated, I quit. This time, if I'm stuck, I just trust if I keep going and double check that I'm logging accurately, the weight will come off.
Exercise - Exercise started with just earning extra calories so I could eat a little more above my calorie goals. I wanted to try to find an exercise I enjoyed, so I scheduled a private swim lesson just to make sure I understood how to do the different strokes, primarily freestyle and breaststroke, and then started going to the pool. Now I'm hooked. I can track my lap times, etc. on my Apple Watch and can see the progress. My speed has increased, I can do freestyle for a longer period without stopping. It's a competition with myself. My sister and I also hike once a week and that has drastically improved as my fitness level has increased. I don't worry about how I look, I'm just proud of myself for getting out there...even in a swimsuit.
Get the crap out of the house - If the food is in my house, I'll eat it. If I want dessert, I really think about what I want and go buy one serving. Last week it was carrot cake. I know where I can get the best carrot cake and I spend extra money to make sure that if I eat those calories, it's to die for!! I have it easier than most people. It's just me and my critters here at the house, so I don't need to have extra food choices.
Progress photos - My sister and I take progress photos every week when we hike. Sometimes I can't see any difference, other times, I'm amazed. I also measure myself every few weeks. I'm not very good at measuring the same places, but overall I'm seeing a loss.
You can do this! Just stay focused and it will come. I've also joined several challenges where I report daily or weekly. This community is awesome. You will find some fabulous new friends here with the added support that comes with it and information that will be priceless in your journey. And...as you've already seen, you can ask for help and our fellow MFPers will step up to the plate sharing what worked for them. You are almost guaranteed to find valuable nuggets of information that will keep you inspired.5 -
Some good thoughts there Coblujay. Photos are a nice idea, so I will copy that. Regarding exercise, I found the exercise part of MFP too difficult to make work for me, and it seems to be a means of giving me permission to eat more. So I do the exercise (in my case rowing machine and weights 5 days a week) plus whatever physical work I do at home, and ignore it for calorie purposes. The effect is to increase my deficit obviously, but as long as I feel OK I treat this as fine.
Getting the crap out of the house is also ideal. I can't do that as my wife does like her cakes and biscuits, so I just have to live with that. My solution so far is to drink water or eat an apple if I feel like a snack or if she has sweets or something. Wish there was some other inspiring gap filler I could think of.0 -
The big problem with ignoring the exercise is that at some point you are going to want to stop losing weight. If you don't know what your actual burn from exercise is, that's going to be a problem. You'd do well to figure it out now, and account for it - even if it's just doing the math backward to figure out how much it's giving you and to keep a consistent deficit WITH EXERCISE INCLUDED.
Because again, you're not doing something short term. This is a forever thing. Which means you're GOING to need to be able to figure out how to eat to maintain your weight and fuel yourself when you're ready to STOP loss.
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