How to kill "being hungry feeling"?

russellholtslander1 wrote: »

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I have stated my plan, which MANY people use to get rid of cravings/hunger completely.. so unless you have ANY plan to do so, and actually help the OP, have a nice day.

Besides endorsing others had given on the thread, I literally posted a link to the plan I used to lose almost 1/3 of my body weight, and stay at a healthy weight for 6+ years since that loss, after 30ish previous years of overweight/obesity.

That link I posted above, the OP of which I typed with my very own fingers, includes this:

"Let carbs fall where they may, unless there's a problem. . . . . If cravings or hunger persist, experiment with low carb, to see if that helps."

If the OP here wants to try low carb or keto, I'd absolutely encourage that.

Low carb eating isn't something I personally prefer to do, but I think it can be a great thing, even the perfect thing, for some others, such as yourself. I'm not an enemy of low carb (or keto, or carnivore), just not personally a follower. I have no rancor toward you personally, either - I just think you're overstating the case for your preferred way of eating. Heck, if someone here said they wanted to try zero carb (or near zero), I'd probably suggest your thread about your experiences doing that.

When people are told "this will work", but it doesn't work for them, that's a factor that can encourage people to feel like they are failures, give up. Personally, I think personalization is very important, and that people differ. If someone tries some thing(s) to feel sated, and those things work, great. If they don't work, I'd encourage that person not to feel like a failure, but simply to try another approach, starting with things others have said worked for them. I think most people can find improvement, though maybe not all. The problem still isn't the person, it's the methods being inadequate.

Low carb is a perfectly reasonable thing to try, and I agree that someone should give it a fair chance. I wouldn't try to tell someone exactly how to do that, because I lack expertise. (I did try it, in the distant past. It was uncongenial, for me.)

You have a nice day, too!

How many calories are you eating, is it possible you're eating too little? If you're eating enough, remember how you used to eat. What did you eat that helped you feel full? If you can't remember, go back a step and simply eat how you used to eat and track everything to learn more about what when, and how much helps you stay sated. You may be able to replicate your filling food with minor tweaks to make it lower in calories, or may be surprised that some foods that you thought were "bad" are not that high in calories in your usual amounts (that's pizza and ice cream in my case). It's normal to be hungry before meals (and even for a bit after a meal, if your satiety signals are delayed), but it's not normal to be always hungry.

Don't take whatever you hear as a rule, even if "it's backed by the experience of many". Your own personal experience is all that matters. I don't care how many people say low carb helps them feel full, it does not for me. I tried and I gained because I was always hungry and the kinds of food that tend to fill me up are usually high in starch+volume. Low carb is the opposite of that combination.

There are rules of thumb you can try out to see how they pan out in your own experience:
- Some people find volume filling
- Some people find that adding fat to their meal helps them feel more full
- Some people thrive on low carb while others thrive on high starch
- Some people do better on many small meals, others like 3 square meals, while some may feel best eating one or two larger meals
- Some people feel hungrier when they do certain types of exercise
- Protein generally helps with hunger, especially when combined with what you usually find filling
- Sometimes when a food is mentally satisfying/unsatisfying, it affects how you perceive hunger and satiety

wunderking... the reason it sounds awful is you are making a straw man argument.

It would be like me saying I could never be a vegan, because I couldn't sit down and eat 6 heads of lettuce every day.

If I had to guess, low carb is just as successful as any other diet. Why? Because unlike ignorant people, who talk about something they have NO idea about, low carb is a delicious diet, which is normal food.

Today, I will have 3 eggs cooked in butter for breakfast. You COULD add some veggies, such as peppers or mushrooms. My lunch is 8 ozs. of chuck roast. You can add vegetables, like a potato, carrot, celery, onion. Dinner is a salad.. 3 cups of greens, 5 Tbsp. olive oil & vinegar dressing, a 1/4 cup of shredded cheddar, and 1/2 a large tomato.

My servings of meat are 4-8 ozs, and I add some fat, and veggies, and snack on cheeses, and macadamia nuts.

Most people on low carb are not sticking to " no carbs ". Personally, I tend to stick to 20 NET carbs or less, but if you go back and read, I didn't suggest most people would need to eat like me. I eat this way to help with health problems from eating high carb for decades. Namely congestive heart failure, and diabetes. This has gotten me off Insulin, and my meds, and helped me lose 130 lbs.

If a person loses weight, on your diet.. great, but what the OP asked is if you could recommend a diet, which gets rid of cravings, which is what we usually have, when we think we are hungry, despite eating just a few hours ago, on the recommended diet. Which is why we have an obesity epidemic.. people eat, and 3-4 hours later, they have cravings.

What I suggested in past posts, is to cut carbs UNTIL those cravings go away.. this could be 100 grams of carbs, if you cut the sugary carbs.. plenty of vegetables, nuts, seeds, cheeses, fruit, legumes, and even some starchy veggies, if your cravings go away. Yes, if that doesn't work, you might have to drop to 80, or 60 grams, and maybe cut out some starchy vegetables, and be careful about which fruits you eat, but low carb is not anything like you describe.

Last night I ate 5 ozs of N.Y Strip steak, cooked in a Tbsp. lard, and 1.5 cups broccoli boiled, then added 2 Tbsp. salted butter on top. Does that sound like 2 lbs. or pork? I had 3 eggs w/ butter, and 2 ozs. macadamia nuts, and 2 ozs. of extra sharp cheddar for lunch.

Your problem is you think low carb is high protein.. I think you are thinking of Carnivore.

There is low carb, which can describe any significant reduction in carbs, then Keto is a subset.. under 25-30 carbs, and Carnivore is a subset of Keto.. animal products only.. they do not even consume things like olive oil, certainly NO fruits & vegetables.

Currently, I am on Keto, and have done Carnivore, but I was not recommending people eat like ME.. I was suggesting they do low carb. With high FAT, not high protein. I eat about 1650 calories, and 70-100 grams of protein. My protein is actually under 20% most days, which is right around what the govt. recommends. The difference is, I eat fat which gets rid of cravings, instead of carbs, which cause cravings.

We cut fat in the 1970's, and manufacturers replaced it with sugar, so the food was edible. Since then, we have had an epidemic of obesity, diabetes, cancer, and heart disease. People are always " hungry ".

So, if you don't have any cravings.. then go ahead and tell the OP what you suggest, and let people try that out, and see if they get rid of cravings... you still have not described anything, except suggesting a " balanced " diet.

Well, guess what, I eat a diet with variety, and food I like in it, TOO, and I lost just as much weight. The difference is, I don't feel hungry between meals, and you haven't said if you ever get hungry between meals, and have to eat snacks to get to the next.. which is kind of what the OP was wondering about.. how to get rid of that.

So if you don't have a diet which ends cravings, then you really have NOTHING to offer the OP.. I'm happy you have some diet which works, but which you can't describe, other than to say, when you were hungry, even if you had blown your diet already, you would continue overeating, and not deprive yourself.

I'm not sure if you lost 65 and are at maintenance, or lost 124.. either way, congrats, but while it worked in the end, you had cravings. Most people don't succeed when they have cravings.. they overeat, and become obese, and get diseases, which is why the OP was asking how to get RID of them.. since you have NOT gotten rid of cravings, or haven't said that you did, how is your example even relevant?

What you are suggesting is have more willpower, and be good more than you are bad, as if it is the OP's fault, that the diet the govt. recommends causes cravings, overeating, obesity, cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc.

When a dietary change causes obesity & sickness for 50 years, maybe what we should do, is admit we were wrong, and reverse what we recommended.. low fat, high carb has been a disaster. The increased problems which led to the current diet recommendations, are based on lies by Ancel Keys.. rigged science, and crappy studies paid for by people who wanted you eating this way, which blamed high fat for the increase in disease, instead of sugar, and refined carbs, which started making us sick, when we started increasing them, in the 1890's on.. as we increased them, we got sicker, until Congress acted, and being idiotic politicians, they decided that the food farmers could grow cheapest, were the best foods, and sickness accelerated. We not only need to undo the past 50 years, but the 80 years before that, and go back to fatty meats, and vegetables cooked in butter & lard, and limited carbs, like fruit in season, instead of all year round.

Look at old pictures of your relatives, and see how skinny they were. My parents worked on farms, and didn't eat snacks.. we only do that because our diet causes cravings. My father was 145 lbs. when he graduated. If you look at graduations today, the kids are mostly overweight, many obese.

It would be nice if you told us how you haven't had any cravings eating the way you do, and what you eat to accomplish this.. which would actually help the OP, instead of just attacking me, for suggesting something that actually DID get rid of cravings.

If you have a diet which ALSO does this.. GREAT!! That gives people options, but if you have NO diet plan which can get rid of cravings, why are you against something that does, and why are you making up lies about what low carb is, and what meals look like?

You seem like you are very afraid others might try something which works, and causes them to succeed.