Coronavirus prep
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So few more conversations since I first learned of my MIL.
Though she tested positive today, she was starting to feel sick Monday night. My reading just now says contagious 1 - 2 days prior to symptoms and DH left saturday morning, 2.5 days before her symptoms. From internet, omicron is supposed to show about 3 days after exposure. My other SIL (not the one with 2nd round covid) says that in her experience as director of a school, they are seeing symptoms show right on schedule 5 days after a known exposure. This evening my husband is at 5.5 from leaving his mother and slightly more than 5 days from his flight home. While he could be asymptomatic, I'll continue to monitor me as I am around people needing protecting. I have done tests two days ago (due to seeing my parents) and then again this evening as I have to drive my mother in the morning. So far, both tests were negative.
As for the free tests, when I logged on (Jan 18) it stated that shipping begins at the end of January. But I am curious how long will it take to distribute that number of shipments? Will people be still receiving theirs in April or longer? While the free tests are nice, I think they would have been a greater value to the community if distributed in December or before. But of course, hindsight is 20/20. Lastly, I wonder about receiving mine. I leave my current address on Feb 4. Will they forward shipped kits, or not?
FWIW, my BIL didn't test positive until the third day after he started having symptoms.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »T Cell "fatigue" or the phenomenon of multiple vaccinations and this issue is something the media picked up and SURPRISE - got wrong.
According to TWiV, that was something that was an issue with (I think) HIV.
Don't even go down that road. That narrative is faulty in regards to SARS-Cov2. I think it was last week's TWiV that just discussed this.
So I found the two sentence "discussion" from the TWiV folks about T Cell "exhaustion" and it's at 16:31 on this feed/discussion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILkdI4opLtI
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rheddmobile wrote: »So, Meatloaf died of Covid. News is saying he was an anti-vaxxer. I’m sad now.
The article I read said he was against the vaccine mandates. Was something mentioned about him not being vaccinated as well?
The article I read (UK press) was more nuanced. It included a direct quote from an interview where he acknowledged that he did fear Covid, it seemed to be more the political aspects of lockdowns and mandates that he scorned.
Given that he apparently had quite serious asthma, if he wasn't vaccinated he was crazy.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, Meatloaf died of Covid. News is saying he was an anti-vaxxer. I’m sad now.
The article I read said he was against the vaccine mandates. Was something mentioned about him not being vaccinated as well?
Kind of ironically relevant?
https://youtu.be/yytlmLtk_lY 2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Austria just mandated vaccines for all adults over 18. $700 (converted to US$) fines for non compliance.
I could get behind this for the US, if it was "for all adults over 50".
With that restriction it would likely pass SCOTUS review since it targets the people most at risk and who are overloading/disrupting our healthcare system1 -
Well, community transmission of Omicron in New Zealand has begun... Watch this space.
We have a pretty good rate of vaccination, but 5-11 yr olds have only just recently started, and a large chunk are still to get their boosters.
From tonight we are stepping up to red in our traffic light system with more mask use, vaccine passes (which are in use already), group size limits etc.8 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Austria just mandated vaccines for all adults over 18. $700 (converted to US$) fines for non compliance.
I could get behind this for the US, if it was "for all adults over 50".
With that restriction it would likely pass SCOTUS review since it targets the people most at risk and who are overloading/disrupting our healthcare system
I disagree with that - I dont believe in tax penalising people for things beyond their control
Vaccination choice, smoking etc is within your control
Your age is not.8 -
paperpudding wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Austria just mandated vaccines for all adults over 18. $700 (converted to US$) fines for non compliance.
I could get behind this for the US, if it was "for all adults over 50".
With that restriction it would likely pass SCOTUS review since it targets the people most at risk and who are overloading/disrupting our healthcare system
I disagree with that - I dont believe in tax penalising people for things beyond their control
Vaccination choice, smoking etc is within your control
Your age is not.
Italy went to requiring over 40's to vaccinate several weeks ago. This was done because intensive care was chock full of novaxx over 40. Omicron is moving like a runaway train through Italy--highest numbers ever of positives, BUT our intensive care numbers are now going down. Our vaccinated population is over 80%. I will report in on our numbers next week.
We've just had COVID in our family. The 3 and 4 yr olds brought it home from nursery school. My son and DIL both got fairly sick (they had reservations made for their boosters, but got COVID 3 days before--it takes almost 2 months to get your booster after an online reservation), so were unfortunate. BAD headache and head cold were their symptoms. My DIL got it the worst, with a fever for 3 days, my son had a one day fever.
My husband, who got his booster in Nov, had a head cold for 2 days, and chills, but passed through it rapidly (he's 68).
My 2nd son had a head cold coming on and he is to have his booster today. He did a COVID test yesterday and was negative so will get the booster.
I and my 3rd son have had no symptoms. I just had my booster 3 weeks ago.
So we passed through COVID fairly well. I'm hearing of lots of people we know that are getting it. We have all been so careful. But this is so contagious.17 -
They had to close our local elementary school on Friday, due to staffing issues related to Omicron.
I hardly go anywhere or do anything but my dd and I are trying to plan for a flight cross country in May and I sure hope things are better by then.4 -
They had to close our local elementary school on Friday, due to staffing issues related to Omicron.
I hardly go anywhere or do anything but my dd and I are trying to plan for a flight cross country in May and I sure hope things are better by then.
My niece is getting married in May across the country (second attempt since COVID bumped her original plans). With this omicron surge and all, I was asking my sister, who is a west coast oncologist, how she was feeling about her daughter's wedding and associated plans. She stated some public data that refers to location peaks and drops in COVID positivity, hospitalizations, and deaths. If I am remembering correctly, she stated that the anticipated drop would be such that by the wedding (Memorial day weekend) is expected to be lower than the low point of last summer. Apologies if I have details wrong, I did not take written notes like I prefer (I think I was driving when she called). I do clearly remember that she was expecting the wedding to be a relatively safe time.5 -
paperpudding wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Austria just mandated vaccines for all adults over 18. $700 (converted to US$) fines for non compliance.
I could get behind this for the US, if it was "for all adults over 50".
With that restriction it would likely pass SCOTUS review since it targets the people most at risk and who are overloading/disrupting our healthcare system
I disagree with that - I dont believe in tax penalising people for things beyond their control
Vaccination choice, smoking etc is within your control
Your age is not.
There is a clear health outcome connection between age and vaccination status. Targeting people 50+ is being smart about the whole pandemic, unlike how it has been handled.
And our goal should be to shift the scales by focusing attention on prevention for that age group. Any penalties should be modest rather than retaliatory (I don't support the $700 fine mentioned). We just need to reduce the pressure on the healthcare system, not get every single 'old person' vaxxed.
This approach also takes the wind out of the sales of many anti-vaxx arguments that hinge off of increased risk to younger people from side effects with their low chance of hospitalization or death.3 -
After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Wishing you a speedy recovery and I hope your kids do manage to avoid it. I am hearing of household where that is the case (my younger sister is a case in point). With the way it seems everyone is catching COVID, I figure my turn will come soon.
On another note, I hope you don't mind me teasing you, but if you have been avoiding COVID for three years, then we need to put your clairvoyance to good use! (I get to cheat, my almost 2 year old grandson was born Jan 31, 2020, just as COVID was becoming a "thing".)
(Sorry I'm just replying to this!)
From the beginning of the pandemic to the fall of this year, we've just been very careful: always doing take-out, avoiding crowds, being consistent with mask wearing. My daughter also insisted when everything shut down for us to take the dog on long hikes every day at a park near our house, which I think went a long way physically and emotionally.
Once everyone was vaccinated, we started to ease up a little: my husband and I would go out to eat as long as it wasn't too crowded, and then we were all going out. My daughter (the one who likes hikes) wanted to return to the gym ASAP, so we started going back regularly. A couple of weeks ago, we were on the treadmills and and one hacking boi decides to plop himself in the treadmill right next to mine, even though there were empty treadmills all over the place to safely distance. I can't swear to it, but I think that's what did it.
Good news, I recovered fairly quickly--by this past Sunday, I was able to run a couple of miles with no issues. My youngest daughter gets her booster on Saturday, and then we'll all be up to date.
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After almost three years of being *so* gods-damn careful, I've got Omnicron. I'm vaxxed and boosted; I have mild symptoms and just tired all the time. My workplace mandates isolation for five days, complete masking for five when reporting to work; no negative test required. I hope my kids (also vaxxed, one boosted) can manage to avoid this.
Wishing you a speedy recovery and I hope your kids do manage to avoid it. I am hearing of household where that is the case (my younger sister is a case in point). With the way it seems everyone is catching COVID, I figure my turn will come soon.
On another note, I hope you don't mind me teasing you, but if you have been avoiding COVID for three years, then we need to put your clairvoyance to good use! (I get to cheat, my almost 2 year old grandson was born Jan 31, 2020, just as COVID was becoming a "thing".)
(Sorry I'm just replying to this!)
From the beginning of the pandemic to the fall of this year, we've just been very careful: always doing take-out, avoiding crowds, being consistent with mask wearing. My daughter also insisted when everything shut down for us to take the dog on long hikes every day at a park near our house, which I think went a long way physically and emotionally.
Once everyone was vaccinated, we started to ease up a little: my husband and I would go out to eat as long as it wasn't too crowded, and then we were all going out. My daughter (the one who likes hikes) wanted to return to the gym ASAP, so we started going back regularly. A couple of weeks ago, we were on the treadmills and and one hacking boi decides to plop himself in the treadmill right next to mine, even though there were empty treadmills all over the place to safely distance. I can't swear to it, but I think that's what did it.
Good news, I recovered fairly quickly--by this past Sunday, I was able to run a couple of miles with no issues. My youngest daughter gets her booster on Saturday, and then we'll all be up to date.
sounds like good news
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Not sure why they are even giving 4th shot boosters here. A prominent doctor here said that he has yet to admit a triple vaxx'd person into the ICU.
But it's like they need to do SOMETHING so lets roll out 4th shots - with absolutely no evidence that we even need them.
Unfortunately the media has become obsessed with the idea of "waning antibodies" leading to public outcry for more boosters to keep antibodies high. Virologists say that it is perfectly normal for antibody levels to drop several months after vaccination, what's important is that your immune system develops T-cells to "remember" the virus so you can make more antibodies whenever you need to. TWIV was recently looking at a study showing wonderfully high T-cells activity around 8 months after vaxx I think, about as long as there is good data available for right now.
I think the other problem is not enough people are vaxxed, leading to high levels of virus circulating, leaving high risk people continually vulnerable to infection. They think a 4th shot might be necessary for those people especially, since they can't risk being even momentarily infected.
My layman's understanding is antibodies are best at keeping you from getting infected in the first place, while T-cells jump into action once you are infected. If everyone was vaxxed it would greatly limit spread, protecting vulnerable people from encountering the virus in the first place. But since it's not, they may need to keep their antibody levels high to protect them. Not sure if I'm explaining that right!
Anyway, TWIV and many (but not all) of the specialists they have on don't think further boosters would be necessary for most people, barring some wacky doomsday variant. Low vaxx levels are certainly complicating things though!13 -
Not sure why they are even giving 4th shot boosters here. A prominent doctor here said that he has yet to admit a triple vaxx'd person into the ICU.
But it's like they need to do SOMETHING so lets roll out 4th shots - with absolutely no evidence that we even need them.
Unfortunately the media has become obsessed with the idea of "waning antibodies" leading to public outcry for more boosters to keep antibodies high. Virologists say that it is perfectly normal for antibody levels to drop several months after vaccination, what's important is that your immune system develops T-cells to "remember" the virus so you can make more antibodies whenever you need to. TWIV was recently looking at a study showing wonderfully high T-cells activity around 8 months after vaxx I think, about as long as there is good data available for right now.
I think the other problem is not enough people are vaxxed, leading to high levels of virus circulating, leaving high risk people continually vulnerable to infection. They think a 4th shot might be necessary for those people especially, since they can't risk being even momentarily infected.
My layman's understanding is antibodies are best at keeping you from getting infected in the first place, while T-cells jump into action once you are infected. If everyone was vaxxed it would greatly limit spread, protecting vulnerable people from encountering the virus in the first place. But since it's not, they may need to keep their antibody levels high to protect them. Not sure if I'm explaining that right!
Anyway, TWIV and many (but not all) of the specialists they have on don't think further boosters would be necessary for most people, barring some wacky doomsday variant. Low vaxx levels are certainly complicating things though!
That is how I understand it too. My mom's retirement home just emailed that they are rolling out 4th shots this week, even though they just got through an outbreak with no major issues.
Oh well I'll let them give her another shot, I guess it won't hurt her - just seems unnecessary.
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I am truly hoping dose #4 is not necessary for the majority of us. My physical was yesterday, and my PCP commented on how I have yet to do the chicken pox vaccine. My preference is to keep my vaccinations separated and I was looking for a window away from the COVID and Flu vaccines. When i said to my PCP that I was aiming for May 2022 for dose one (once I get back from florida), her comment back was how COVID dose #4 is coming. argh....... I don't think I am going to be elbowing my way to the front of the line for another booster, but I will also not be stupid if it is clear that a 4th dose is the right action.6
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I'll play it by ear for future doses. Up until the last two years I didn't get flu shots because I've never had the flu but I decided to just in case. And also in the back of my head I thought I might start getting them as I got older (I'm 62) since my immune system would likely become less robust. I assume once this particular Covid wave is over that the spring/summer/fall months will not be too bad so maybe by next fall another Covid booster would be in order.
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paperpudding wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »Austria just mandated vaccines for all adults over 18. $700 (converted to US$) fines for non compliance.
I could get behind this for the US, if it was "for all adults over 50".
With that restriction it would likely pass SCOTUS review since it targets the people most at risk and who are overloading/disrupting our healthcare system
I disagree with that - I dont believe in tax penalising people for things beyond their control
Vaccination choice, smoking etc is within your control
Your age is not.
There is a clear health outcome connection between age and vaccination status. Targeting people 50+ is being smart about the whole pandemic, unlike how it has been handled.
And our goal should be to shift the scales by focusing attention on prevention for that age group. Any penalties should be modest rather than retaliatory (I don't support the $700 fine mentioned). We just need to reduce the pressure on the healthcare system, not get every single 'old person' vaxxed.
This approach also takes the wind out of the sales of many anti-vaxx arguments that hinge off of increased risk to younger people from side effects with their low chance of hospitalization or death.
Yes of course there is a clear connection between age and covid risk.
Targeting people over 50 for priority vaccines ( when there was limited supply) makes sense - tax penalties for people for factors beyond their control like age, does not
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Somewhat unrelated topic. Finally ventured to a larger grocery store this morning because my local small one often does not have what I need lately. Well, guess what, I think the large one was even worse. I had to make compromises, or leave without, 50% of my list. IMO anyone saying the grocery stores are not impacted lately, and thus we the customers, is not doing any grocery shopping themselves. 2
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Somewhat unrelated topic. Finally ventured to a larger grocery store this morning because my local small one often does not have what I need lately. Well, guess what, I think the large one was even worse. I had to make compromises, or leave without, 50% of my list. IMO anyone saying the grocery stores are not impacted lately, and thus we the customers, is not doing any grocery shopping themselves.
Probably depends on where you are. I'm not having any issues with the grocery store and shelves are full here. Every once in awhile a particular item will be short, but it's usually something weird like Lunchables or something. Or like back in December there was a run on chicken nuggets for some reason. We've really only encountered it with some processed food the kids eat for a quick dinner or lunch.6 -
Not sure why they are even giving 4th shot boosters here. A prominent doctor here said that he has yet to admit a triple vaxx'd person into the ICU.
But it's like they need to do SOMETHING so lets roll out 4th shots - with absolutely no evidence that we even need them.
Unfortunately the media has become obsessed with the idea of "waning antibodies" leading to public outcry for more boosters to keep antibodies high. Virologists say that it is perfectly normal for antibody levels to drop several months after vaccination, what's important is that your immune system develops T-cells to "remember" the virus so you can make more antibodies whenever you need to. TWIV was recently looking at a study showing wonderfully high T-cells activity around 8 months after vaxx I think, about as long as there is good data available for right now.
I think the other problem is not enough people are vaxxed, leading to high levels of virus circulating, leaving high risk people continually vulnerable to infection. They think a 4th shot might be necessary for those people especially, since they can't risk being even momentarily infected.
My layman's understanding is antibodies are best at keeping you from getting infected in the first place, while T-cells jump into action once you are infected. If everyone was vaxxed it would greatly limit spread, protecting vulnerable people from encountering the virus in the first place. But since it's not, they may need to keep their antibody levels high to protect them. Not sure if I'm explaining that right!
Anyway, TWIV and many (but not all) of the specialists they have on don't think further boosters would be necessary for most people, barring some wacky doomsday variant. Low vaxx levels are certainly complicating things though!
Great information and explanation!4 -
Where I live the grocery shelves are frequently bare these days. I've had to skip chicken for dinner because there was none, also pork chops, canned tomatoes, and ice cream. Fresh fruit and vegetables are usually okay, but meat is an issue.4
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Let's see, no green onions. Bottled juices were almost empty. Cat food, good luck. half and half stock up if I can find. Cracker isle, half gone. Pasta, one brand was stripped and others picked over. The rice I like was "out of stock". Mexican across from it was strangely empty, but nothing i needed today. Dairy picked over, or what was there was past sell by date, which I chose to buy since it was what I want and am comfortable with the risk. I skipped the ice cream isle, and if you know me, you know why. I did try and find frozen corn for tomorrow's dinner, and there was hardly a bag of any type of frozen vegetable. I eventually found a premium price bag of corn tucked way in the back.
@cwolfman13 Where are you located that you have it so good? I am north of boston at the moment.5 -
Things seem plenty in stock on the grocery shelves here in NYC.3
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I'm in central VA and usually have no grocery issues honestly. There have been a couple of days I've walked into Food Lion and there's tons of empty shelves and my assumption has been that they were short staffed and hadn't been able to pack out their deliveries yet. I know my parents have had problems finding roasting chickens and mozzarella cheese for months for some reason.
If the issue is a combo of covid call outs locally, covid issues for suppliers and truckers, more general staffing issues for the store, AND weather, I'd bet there'd be big differences in different places. Sorry to hear some of you are seeing this!6 -
Not sure why they are even giving 4th shot boosters here. A prominent doctor here said that he has yet to admit a triple vaxx'd person into the ICU.
But it's like they need to do SOMETHING so lets roll out 4th shots - with absolutely no evidence that we even need them.
Unfortunately the media has become obsessed with the idea of "waning antibodies" leading to public outcry for more boosters to keep antibodies high. Virologists say that it is perfectly normal for antibody levels to drop several months after vaccination, what's important is that your immune system develops T-cells to "remember" the virus so you can make more antibodies whenever you need to. TWIV was recently looking at a study showing wonderfully high T-cells activity around 8 months after vaxx I think, about as long as there is good data available for right now.
I think the other problem is not enough people are vaxxed, leading to high levels of virus circulating, leaving high risk people continually vulnerable to infection. They think a 4th shot might be necessary for those people especially, since they can't risk being even momentarily infected.
My layman's understanding is antibodies are best at keeping you from getting infected in the first place, while T-cells jump into action once you are infected. If everyone was vaxxed it would greatly limit spread, protecting vulnerable people from encountering the virus in the first place. But since it's not, they may need to keep their antibody levels high to protect them. Not sure if I'm explaining that right!
Anyway, TWIV and many (but not all) of the specialists they have on don't think further boosters would be necessary for most people, barring some wacky doomsday variant. Low vaxx levels are certainly complicating things though!
Great information and explanation!
Thanks With the time I've put into studying virus related science the last couple of years, I should print myself out an honorary degree lol! 15 -
Before lockdowns hit, I bought huge amounts of stuff I thought would keep a while. I just didn't know if grocery delivery would be an option or how good it would be. It was like playing a game of jenga freezer if you wanted anything in there. It turns out, grocery delivery was a readily available option, but inventory was hit or miss. This was mid-2020. I remember meat was especially hit or miss. A lot of the time there was no chicken, so I kept a whole chicken in the freezer in case there was a week there was nothing to buy.
Kind of seems that that again. Last 2 weeks out of 3 there were no whole chickens in my store. Kind of pondering whether I should go back to keeping an extra week worth of chicken and eggs on hand to deal with availability issues.
Ironically, @SModa61 apologized for taking the discussion off topic, but that is exactly the thread's initial focus.
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Welp, dh woke up with cold symptoms this morning and I asked him if he was going to take a self test. His reply was 'nah, it's just a cold'. But to humor me he did it anyways and it was positive.
He went bowling Sunday and thinks that's probably where he picked it up. He's only gone there and the bottle redemption place to get his cigarettes. But I know he doesn't mask up for those kinds of places.
Hopefully he'll be fine. I assume I can't see my sister for awhile? I can self test but need to wait until symptoms appear?
It's all so confusing, just wish it would end.12 -
Sorry to hear this, @ReenieHJ . Glad his symptoms are minor so far. If I'm keeping up with the CDC's latest...
- vaccinated people do not have to quarantine after a known exposure
- Omicron is currently 99+% of cases in the US, and incubation is thought to be 3 days on average
- Seeing your sister depends on her risk tolerance and how many RATs you have.
- - if you test negative, you are likely not contagious right at that moment and it's probably safe to see her, so if you have enough tests, just test before seeing her.
- - if you are limited on RATs, you can wait 3 days to test
DH should isolate 5 days. If asymptomatic at 5 days, he can stop isolating but should mask and distance another 5 days. Alternatively, if his RAT is negative at 5 days, he is probably no longer contagious and doesn't have to be as conscientious about masking/distancing. ETA: if he is RAT positive at 5 days, he should isolate another 5 days and retest with same priviso as initial test.4
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