Coronavirus prep

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  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Fear of injections can be an issue for some but its probably a relatively small number. There might be good news coming. Going into test in Southampton UK is a vaccine which can be freeze dried and given by way of compressed air. A small, hand held unit is held to the arm and a jet of air takes the dose through the skin, no pin prick, I believe there is nothing to feel.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,282 Member
    edited December 2021
    The only genuine reason not to get vaccinated is a medical contraindication - and I cant see why anyone would be reluctant to share that.

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  • SModa61
    SModa61 Posts: 3,098 Member
    The only genuine reason not to get vaccinated is a medical contraindication - and I cant see why anyone would be reluctant to share that.

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    ^ this is the first time I have seen that a post was edited by MFP.

    I am also seeing that the most recent post on this thread by @cwolfman13 comes up "Reply Not Found. The page you were looking for could not be found."

    Is MFP monitoring content more than I have previously noticed?
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    Fuzzipeg wrote: »
    Fear of injections can be an issue for some but its probably a relatively small number. There might be good news coming. Going into test in Southampton UK is a vaccine which can be freeze dried and given by way of compressed air. A small, hand held unit is held to the arm and a jet of air takes the dose through the skin, no pin prick, I believe there is nothing to feel.
    My husband has had compressed air shots in the Army and says they hurt like hell. It’s not the needle that hurts but the liquid being forced under your skin. They do it because it’s avoiding dirty needles, not because it doesn’t hurt.
  • missysippy930
    missysippy930 Posts: 2,577 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    The only genuine reason not to get vaccinated is a medical contraindication - and I cant see why anyone would be reluctant to share that.

    I agree with this, and with rheddmobile's post just above that no one here judges those who cannot be vaxxed for medical reasons.

    Also, as the person who noted that the regular posters here are all vaxxed, so don't need to be told to get vaxxed -- which I contend is true -- I also agree with 33gail33's post that at this point no one (the occasional poster, lurkers) who can medically be vaxxed and yet has chosen not to be vaxxed (and certainly in the US anyone not vaxxed is choosing that), is not going to be convinced by a post on a forum. Thus, it does feel a bit like a lecture to people to whom it does not apply (most of us here who got all our covid shots ASAP) -- and yes, I do tend to read lectures directed to no one in particular as directed to everyone in the thread, which is perhaps one of those interpretative quirks that Ann talks about, and my personal issue, but I will still be honest about my reaction.

    Beyond that, there's really no way to have a debate about the vax here without it getting political or otherwise contentious.

    I guess this is directed at me. It is not my intention to lecture anyone. Or imply that vaxxed people are being targeted in my comments. They aren't. MOST got vaccinated? So, I'm not entitled to post because it doesn't apply to vaccinated persons? Clearly, there are individuals that are reading this thread that are NOT vaccinated. I certainly did not make this a political issue, way above my pay grade. You don't need to be political to do the right thing. Many people are choosing to NOT be vaccinated in the US.
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    SModa61 wrote: »
    The only genuine reason not to get vaccinated is a medical contraindication - and I cant see why anyone would be reluctant to share that.

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    ^ this is the first time I have seen that a post was edited by MFP.

    I am also seeing that the most recent post on this thread by @cwolfman13 comes up "Reply Not Found. The page you were looking for could not be found."

    Is MFP monitoring content more than I have previously noticed?

    Typically it means someone was offended and flagged something.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    The only genuine reason not to get vaccinated is a medical contraindication - and I cant see why anyone would be reluctant to share that.

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    I'd certainly accept religious reasons as well, although I don't know which (if any) faiths prohibit vaccination. I do know that there are some with strong beliefs surrounding permissible medical treatments.
  • spiriteagle99
    spiriteagle99 Posts: 3,743 Member
    Seventh Day Adventists don't allow medical care, IIRC. Locally, I have heard that the Amish are very unwilling to seek medical treatment and have not been widely vaccinated. I don't know whether they have had serious Covid issues or not. Very few are obese, which makes a difference in the likelihood of serious illness.
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,282 Member
    As far as I know, we do not have Amish communities in Australia so I am unaware of their ideology on this.
    As well as not being obese, they are probably at less risk, and are less risk to others, by virtue of living in tightly closed communities?

    There is a seventh day adventist church in my town and we have certainly vaccinated, and given other medical treatments, to members of the church, including the leader ( pastor, minister, ?? Not sure which term they use)
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    edited December 2021
    kimny72 wrote: »
    So there was a large party in Norway where Omicron spread among exclusively vaccinated people with no trouble. It does seem to completely ignore the vaccine as far as infection is concerned. So far no one from the party is very ill, but since they are all younger healthy people that doesn’t tell us much about how serious the infections are yet, since statistically they would probably be fine, even unvaxxed, with previous variants.

    Remember that bear week celebration in Massachusetts over the summer where so many vaxxed people got Delta and everyone said that meant vaxxed people weren't protected? It turned out that while it's not 100%, the vaccines are preventing many infections. And no one knows why that super spreader happened.

    Yep, I remember that I saw that event as an anomoly and made the point that media should stop focusing so much on that and using it as an example to spread the message that vaccinated people are more likely to get severe illness than unvaccinated people (statistically true in that case). It's important not to make conclusions based on exceptions alone.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    Seventh Day Adventists don't allow medical care, IIRC. Locally, I have heard that the Amish are very unwilling to seek medical treatment and have not been widely vaccinated. I don't know whether they have had serious Covid issues or not. Very few are obese, which makes a difference in the likelihood of serious illness.

    I think I've heard that it's been an issue in the Mennonite communities, possibly Hutterite as well.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,225 Member
    Politifact looked at which US religions ban vaccination in some official way, and there aren't many religions that do that across the board. Details here:


    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/06/anthony-fauci/few-religions-ban-vaccination-counts-little-religi/

    They say, and this is my understanding also from reading CDC and related info on exemptions, that your official religion need not ban vaccination in order to claim religious exemption. It's about personal beliefs. For example, in some other cases, committed vegans have been allowed to claim exemption from employment-related vaccination requirements when the specific vaccines included animal-sourced products - no formal religion at all involved. (That was a pre-Covid case example.) Sincere personal belief seems to have been the standard, at least in past employment-related legal cases.

    (I don't have a link substantiating that part.)
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    Seventh Day Adventists don't allow medical care, IIRC. Locally, I have heard that the Amish are very unwilling to seek medical treatment and have not been widely vaccinated. I don't know whether they have had serious Covid issues or not. Very few are obese, which makes a difference in the likelihood of serious illness.

    As far as I know the Seventh Day Adventists don’t allow blood transfusions (they take this from the commandment to ‘abstain from blood’) but are fine with other medical care.

    Some religious people object on the grounds that the vaccines were tested using cell lines from aborted tissue, but so were many other drugs, so unless the person is consistent in refusing all those drugs (which include Tylenol) the objection is likely to be denied.
  • rheddmobile
    rheddmobile Posts: 6,840 Member
    Seventh Day Adventists don't allow medical care, IIRC. Locally, I have heard that the Amish are very unwilling to seek medical treatment and have not been widely vaccinated. I don't know whether they have had serious Covid issues or not. Very few are obese, which makes a difference in the likelihood of serious illness.

    As far as I know the Seventh Day Adventists don’t allow blood transfusions (they take this from the commandment to ‘abstain from blood’) but are fine with other medical care.

    Some religious people object on the grounds that the vaccines were tested using cell lines from aborted tissue, but so were many other drugs, so unless the person is consistent in refusing all those drugs (which include Tylenol) the objection is likely to be denied.


    I think you mean Jehovahs witnesses.

    Jehovah witnesses don't allow blood transfusions but do not object to medical treatment in general.

    You’re correct, my bad!

    I looked it up and according to the internet Seventh day adventists have no religious prohibitions against medical treatment.
  • Theoldguy1
    Theoldguy1 Posts: 2,496 Member
    edited December 2021
    sarah7591 wrote: »
    I certainly don't want anyone to get Covid but I do believe if you are not vaccinated it is just a matter of time until you get the virus. I am vaccinated and got the virus. Very mild and I had NO idea I had it so I could have spread it to others, which i feel badly about. I believe I got it from someone who was vaccinated. Personally i think it is awful not to get vaccinated as this continues to spread and kill.

    To be honest, I believe, even if one is vaccinated, unless they are living in a cocoon with no contact with others, they will get it. Now of course if vaxed much greater probability of less severe case.
  • ythannah
    ythannah Posts: 4,371 Member
    ReenieHJ wrote: »
    I'm liking this cocoon thing you speak of.

    Yeh, I've known both vaccinated and unvaccinated that have both gotten Covid. And their symptoms still vary so much; it's so hard to make sense of it all. But my good sense still is telling me to do as much as I can to protect myself and others. Even if it means I get stared at being one of the very few masked shoppers anymore. :(

    Luckily masks are still mandated here. In fact, Canada seems to be leaning toward recommending medical grade masks, even N95s, in the general population.

    At my workplace the latest direction is either a 3-layer cloth mask, mask with filter, or medical grade. They do supply the blue disposable medical masks but most of us choose to wear our own cloth masks.