Natural food better than vaccinations?

I immunized my children. That being said: my biological children (who are grown) had there shots spread out more then they do now. The theory now is that parents forget so give as many as you can when they do come to the doctors. I don't think this is as safe as spreading them out. I don't think they cause Autism, but they CAN in certain children trigger severe allergies if given too much at once. I also think we need to know what shots are being given. We should know what is being put in our children's bodies and weigh the risks and benefits. I personally think the benefits outweigh the risks for most immunizations. My foster sons doctor gave him the chicken pox vaccine then asked me to sign for it. I do not think the chicken pox vaccine is a good thing, because it only lasts 10 years and how many of these kids will remember a booster as adults or teens. I had chicken pox with my children while hubby was deployed to Somalia for the Army. I was VERY sick and the doctor told me it is much worse for adults. I also had Shingles a few years ago and the doctor said its more likely to get this if you had chicken pox as an adult. Just my opinion.

I agree somewhat - I hate that we now have a chickenpox vaccine. I had the chickenpox, survived, and supposedly don't need a booster. Unfortunately though, what you said is right - if they get chickenpox as an adult you're more likely to get shingles which is a very painful disease. Unfortunately, because every kid is now vaccinated against chickenpox, it will be close to impossible to have my kids contract this minor illness on their own and acquire natural immunity. So, I feel I have no choice but to immunize them to protect against getting it as an adult.

That being said - there is no way I would risk not giving my kids the vaccines for polio, MMR, whooping cough or a certain type of meningitis. These are real, serious and even deadly diseases. The risks of vaccines do not outweigh the benefits for me. And in the northeast here, we are seeing a resurgence of some of these formerly "eradicated" illnesses.

My husband is 31 he hadn't had chickenpox as a child so as a young adult he got the chickenpox vaccination (before I met him I am not 100% sure how old he was) anyway when I was pregnant with our first child 2007 he was 27 and he got shingles and they could not figure out why he got it .. and he has had it 3x since then and the last time we went to a walk in clinic since we were out of town when they hit him again and the dr. there told us it couldn't be shingles because he got the vaccination and that prevents shingles too well they scraped a sample off and we got a call a week later that it was indeed shingles ... oh and he has had shingles 4x total first time I was pregnant , second time we had a 8week old baby , third time we were in the hospital with our baby and his sleep apnea and the fourth time we had a 2 year old and a 3 month old .. each time my husband was still involved with our family we were cautious and we prevented our children from getting chickenpox now that they are both older if hubby happens to get shingles again we aren't going to be so careful I want my kids to get chickenpox its a normal childhood thing and I think it is best if they get it naturally !! My best friend was pregnant when she found out she had been neither vaccinated or had the disease and if she had gotten it the outcome would have been ALOT worse than if she had just gotten it as a child.

And just something else I have wondered about is chickenpox and the number of people who make it to adulthood without receiving a vaccination and without ever having chickenpox I would think that chickenpox would be the one disease you were LIKELY to get ... I haven't researched this so I have no clue why but just something I was thinking about

Right... but how are the kids going to get chicken pox "naturally" if all of the other kids in the country have been vaccinated now because that is the trend? They are not likely to be exposed to it.

I read the first post in this topic and cannot read further because I get so angry about this so called "debate" that my blood pressure rises incredibly high, I get pissed off, and I can't sleep.

Vaccines are a victim of their own success. It is so frustrating.

I have a sick child that isn't fortunate enough to receive all of the usual vaccines. She has a poor immune system and at the age of 1 is not allowed to get MMR because it is a live vaccine AND because she received certain blood products.

This forces me to rely on the stupidity of others to protect my child which puts me into mama bear mode and gets me angry.

Deaths/Illnesses I have seen personally that could have been preventable
1 aunt - polio. Suffered paralysis
1 uncle - polio. Deformations
1 baby - died. RSV
2 babies - died only 2 weeks after going home from NICU from pertussis (whooping cough)
1 sister in law - hospitalization due to chicken pox as an adult.

NONE of these could have been prevented by healthy eating or exercise.

That is all.

I think alot of children are exposed to chickenpox ... Adults that have shingles can give chickenpox to children and from what I was told (I have not done much research on this as I honestly dont care) a child that has been vaccinated against chickenpox who comes around my child could potentially infect my child with chickenpox ... as well as someone who received the shingles vaccination because I was warned by my pediatrician to keep my baby (2 weeks old) away from my husbands grandparents whenever they got the shingles vaccination for 10days.

I am just surprised that there are numerous 25+ year old's that haven't had the disease ... when that High School shut down for the chickenpox 2 years ago alot of the teachers and other staff members also got chickenpox and even though my child was in preschool with other children who got chickenpox ( there is atleast 2 a year that get it even though I am sure they are vaccinated) he never got chickenpox ...

Again I have done no research on this and dont want to argue this point because I honestly hope my children get chickenpox I just have always wondered about it .... Like I said there are atleast 2 children in my sons preschool that get chickenpox every year and I always get a letter when they do (the school sends one out) ... and there was a child in my sons sunday school class that had chickenpox its not unheard of around here but my children haven't gotten it yet ........... anyway it just honestly shocks me they havent

[/quote]I'd like to see clinical studies on adults who have had shingles yet were vaccinated. I'm more than sure that people that have been vaccinated that don't get shingles will be in much much larger numbers than those that have. Again no medicine is perfect, but benefit outweighs results.
It seems that you correlate what may happen in your life personally to your belief in vaccinations. IMO, that would be like saying crime is high because you were held up at gun point when in fact crime is actually down statistically. Doesn't mean that crime doesn't happen, it just means that doing some of the things we have done have reduced it. You could well say that spending more money on Police did nothing for you, but it has done lots for others. Just a perspective you may not have considered.
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I was told that it would be 15-20 years before they knew for sure that getting the chickenpox vaccination would prevent you from getting shingles but I am sure your right I was quite surprised he got shingles and the doctors were too .. I do not vaccinate my child against chickenpox just because it seems silly to me at this time however if they get to there teens and still haven't gotten chickenpox then I will vaccinate them because I understand how dangerous it can be as an adult. I do correlate what happens in my life personally to my chose not to vaccinate but I did my research and understand what I am choosing not to do and what the risks are and I have considered that perspective and I realize and I try to make it as clear as I can that my beliefs are that just mine I typically dont tell anyone my beliefs on vaccinations and when I get asked about it I just tell them to research it and talk to there doctor because I know I am not a doctor. I understand what your saying and I appreciate it honestly I do I really like to hear others thoughts ! I am constantly reading about vaccinations and listening to what others say since I know that I want to be as knowledgable as I can be and lets be honest at any time something could happen that makes me change my mind and vaccinate my children. And for me the benefits of vaccinations does not outweigh the risks to my son BUT my son has epilepsy and has a ton of allergies and sensitivites and I have not even found a dr. that would vaccinate him if I wanted them too (and I have decided to not vaccinate my younger son because we do not know if he will follow in his brothers footsteps with the allergies/sensitivites)

Yes, I do research vaccines I receive; as a molecular biology major, I took advanced virology and microbiology classes. I don't find anything objectionable in vaccines. Are you referring to attenuated virus strains which are used in vaccines? I don't find anything wrong with this.

Yes, I do research vaccines I receive; as a molecular biology major, I took advanced virology and microbiology classes. I don't find anything objectionable in vaccines. Are you referring to attenuated virus strains which are used in vaccines? I don't find anything wrong with this.

I personally dont care for some of the ingredients that are used but its my personal issue and I dont disagree with you all I want is for someone to read and know what they are putting in their body or their childs body. I dont feel you can make a informed decision if you dont know the ingredients ... sorry if that doesn't make sense I wasn't pointing out that you needed to read the ingredients I just was pointing out that I think parents should all read them so they know exactly what they are putting in their childs bodyy

So this morning while driving my wife to the airport, I was listening to a topic on vaccinations and how some people who are adamant that vaccinations have cause more issues with illness (like Autism) and that natural foods can cure such diseases as whooping cough. One female stated that vaccinations are nothing more than a way for the Pharmacy companies to make big money. And her stance was that if vaccinations would be banned that we would have cured diseases by eating natural foods.
Now while I will agree that GREAT nutrition can help with boosting the immune system, I will emphatically disagree that the approach that eating natural foods will protect any child from diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc.

Thoughts?

I agree with the woman that was discussing this. Building natural immunity is the most important.

This was written by a Dr.......... http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james.htm

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/doctors_against_vaccines.htm

I immunized my children. That being said: my biological children (who are grown) had there shots spread out more then they do now. The theory now is that parents forget so give as many as you can when they do come to the doctors. I don't think this is as safe as spreading them out. I don't think they cause Autism, but they CAN in certain children trigger severe allergies if given too much at once. I also think we need to know what shots are being given. We should know what is being put in our children's bodies and weigh the risks and benefits. I personally think the benefits outweigh the risks for most immunizations. My foster sons doctor gave him the chicken pox vaccine then asked me to sign for it. I do not think the chicken pox vaccine is a good thing, because it only lasts 10 years and how many of these kids will remember a booster as adults or teens. I had chicken pox with my children while hubby was deployed to Somalia for the Army. I was VERY sick and the doctor told me it is much worse for adults. I also had Shingles a few years ago and the doctor said its more likely to get this if you had chicken pox as an adult. Just my opinion.

You do not have to get the Chicken Pox vaccine (Varicella) every 10 years. This is not true. I never got chicken pox so I had the vaccine when I was 13 because they didn't want me to get it when I was older. Now everyone is vaccinated with it and it comes in two doses. No doctor has ever told me that I have to be revaccinated for it.