Weight loss experiment with possibly unrealistic expectations lol

Dan__Cote wrote: »

Shyt. Most of that loss was muscle. No more fasting days on this reduced calorie diet. Gaining previously obtained muscle isn't that difficult though. After this is over, I'll do a heavy negative routine and the muscle will shoot back up. The fibers are there, they just atrophied a bit.

Experiment, see what works and what doesn't, and adjust accordingly. Don't just take the advice that has been regurgitated time and time again by the, "experts." Most of it is a lie.Experiment, yourself.
It is true, however, that there is no, one-size-fits-all answer to weight loss. Perseverance, dedication, and will-power are the only constants.

On a positive note; Upper abs are popping and my lower abs are getting flatter. 👌.

Time for some fasted cardio.

what are these lies you speak of?

ninerbuff wrote: »

5.5lbs of fat loss is a calorie use of FAT ONLY of 19, 250. You're the same height as me and just a little heavier. That's an average of 2700+ calories deficit a day. So unless you didn't eat a week, it didn't happen. However you're getting your numbers, is quite inaccurate.


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This thread has been most entertaining. Almost thinking a trolling situation.

Dude: venting is fine and if you're doing that... that's perfectly ok. Something tells me, though, that you truly think it is ok to push till you reach "goal". And i'll honestly tell you something: I think you (as do many other people) WILL reach "goal" on *kitten*, vinegar, and pure willpower as long as that is even remotely possible within say six to nine months.

But goal weight is NOT the goal.

Goal weight while making yourself sick (which is sometimes a corollary of getting to goal on willpower) is also not the goal. But, even more importantly, by itself goal weight is not the goal unless you think you are getting a prize for tattooing a number on your forehead.

You said it yourself that HEALTH is your goal.

Where the *kitten* are your google scholar articles that suggest, remotely, that your 24 years of increasing and decreasing and increasing your weight, in a nice roller coaster, AS YOU DECIDED**, is remotely health promoting?

**as you decided: think of a teenage boy yearning for targets of "affection" -- lots of level headed sober decision making taking place there while hormones are in control, right?

Oh, I am not doubting one bit that there are very real reasons to do a controlled bulk. But isn't it beautiful when the timing of the bulk dovetails nicely with the rebound regain your hormones are pushing on you?

Is health your goal? Maybe it is time to TRY to get out of the loss-regain treadmill instead of trying to prove to everyone including yourself how well you will do on it.

The same, by the way, applies to @GrumpyHubby. Congrats to him for the new baby by the way. But what is there to say to his "Deflated" post? All the stuff about weight loss strategies that make sense was already covered in various threads with him just about two or three years ago--and he wasn't willing to consider any of it at that time.

But, there really is nothing new to say to him! All he has to do is go back to his old threads and re-read what people were discussing with him back then, and see whether there is a different path he may want to follow this go-around. Since he is already discussing his goals in association with specific dates... well--date related goals were already discussed in his previous go around.

For 24 years, according to you, you've been dialing in your weight as you wanted. Yet you did not choose to target simple 24 years of maintenance of a weight that is healthy for you.

Give it a try. It is challenging in a way more different way than wildly shooting for the moon hoping to land on some snow covered peak somewhere.

Can't say that I've been 24 years at a healthy weight, and there is a non zero chance I may never hit that mark... but I'm a good eight years into it. It's quite nice and I consider the effort to stay there to be a very good investment. Truly? Wish I had tried it sooner.

If it's done incorrectly or if the person is on steroids. For natural lifters the proper way is to have a small surplus and if the fat begins to gain much traction, diet it back off and come back with lower surplus calories next time. And no, if you're coming off a cut and you're lean and wanting to add muscle, maintenance calories won't work There is no reason to put on much fat if you know what you're doing.

Newer lifters are under the impression that more food equals more muscle and that isn't the case, it doesn't take much over maintenance. They watch these youtube videos of pro bodybuilders on ridiculous amounts of test eating 6-7,000 calories a day and think that's how its done.

Cutting and bulking when done properly is done with finesse and not the stereotypical crazy amount of fat gain then a horrendously terrible cutting diet. Most people attempting recomps would do better with a proper, correct muscle building and fatloss program.