"Low Carbs, Eat Fat & Fast"
oldmanbythegulf
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I'm focusing in on "low carbs, eat fat & fast". My Doctors & my 110 lb, 20 yr old Nutritionist does not seem to be interested??? Is it all You Tube hype just to get clicks???
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm focusing in on "low carbs, eat fat & fast". My Doctors & my 110 lb, 20 yr old Nutritionist does not seem to be interested??? Is it all You Tube hype just to get clicks???
If this is what you mean, yes, sounds like a fad.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/keto-fat-fast
...A fat fast is a high-fat, low-calorie diet that typically lasts 2–5 days.
During this time it’s recommended to eat 1,000–1,200 calories per day, 80–90% of which should come from fat.
Though not technically a fast, this approach mimics the biological effects of abstaining from food by putting your body into the biological state of ketosis
...Given that very little is known about the safety or efficacy of fat fasting, it’s not often used in evidence-based nutrition therapy.
In fact, a fat fast is typically only used by people who are already following a ketogenic diet and experiencing a weight loss plateau that has been ongoing for several weeks.
Some people also use fat fasting to get back into ketosis after a cheat day, though this is unnecessary. If you have a cheat day, the best course of action is to return to your regular dietary pattern.
In general, the extreme restriction of a fat fast is unnecessary for most people. What’s more, for some people, including those on medications or with a health condition, it could be risky.1 -
There is no secret to fatloss. It's a product of a consistent weekly calorie deficit over time. The type of eating program you choose doesn't matter.7
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm focusing in on "low carbs, eat fat & fast". My Doctors & my 110 lb, 20 yr old Nutritionist does not seem to be interested??? Is it all You Tube hype just to get clicks???
YouTube hype to get clicks seems like a good bet,1 -
I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.4
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.
Lol ok
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.
Alas, that is not necessarily correct. For the people who feel satiated by fat, a high fat diet may indeed help them create a calorie deficit. However, people can also maintain or gain weight on keto, just like any other way of eating.
Any way of eating that leads to weight loss does it the same way:
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FADoldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.
Do you know where you are? This is ground zero, as they say. Why most of the population in the world doesn't need to count calories to maintain or lose weight is an anomaly here and will never make sense for most of them. imo. Cheers1 -
Actually, I think most of us understand perfectly well that one can lose weight by methods other than calorie counting.
And of course most of the world's population doesn't have an abundance of food to need to control consumption - I think we all understand it is a first world problem5 -
Above points addressed: (1) I don't think this is a "fat fast". (2) Perhaps the truth gets clicks on You Tube, too. (3) "Calorie deficit" may be a common factor in most diets BUT aren't there other differences. (4) A young and/or healthy body may not "yet" reason the same or consider things that the older and/or unhealthy body does, like insulin resistance, fatty liver, etc. (5) The nutrition, health, medical and Doctor norms of the last 50 yrs seem to be coming apart at the seams in this information age. Google it. (6) My ears and mind remain open but with reason. I've read over and am considering each of your opinions, and future opinions, thank you so much.1
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Above points addressed: (1) I don't think this is a "fat fast". (2) Perhaps the truth gets clicks on You Tube, too. (3) "Calorie deficit" may be a common factor in most diets BUT aren't there other differences. (4) A young and/or healthy body may not "yet" reason the same or consider things that the older and/or unhealthy body does, like insulin resistance, fatty liver, etc. (5) The nutrition, health, medical and Doctor norms of the last 50 yrs seem to be coming apart at the seams in this information age. Google it. (6) My ears and mind remain open but with reason. I've read over and am considering each of your opinions, and future opinions, thank you so much.
A calorie deficit is the only way you can lose weight. It's a deficiency of energy...a calorie is a unit of energy. When you have a deficiency of energy, your backup generator (body fat) kicks on to make up the difference. How you achieve the deficit is up to you. Keto isn't some kind of magic...go eat a surplus of calories on keto and see what happens.
I've never been remotely keto and lost weight pretty easily and I can lose or maintain weight without counting calories. If keto works for you it's fine, go for it. I would personally be miserable and it would therefore be completely unsustainable long term. It works for a lot of people though...just like any other diet works for a lot of people.5 -
I hope your nutritionist is a registered dietitian.
Most registered dietitians are probably skeptical about unusual, YouTube-promoted diet trends. They usual recommend unglamorous things like eating mostly whole foods, adequate protein, plenty of veggies/fruits, and some variation on balanced macros. (That could vary for someone who has a health condition requiring a special diet of some kind.)
Some people prefer low carb, higher fat, and fasting. As long as you get enough protein, fiber, and micronutrients (ideally from food), you'll probably do fine.
In a generic population-wide sense, it's pretty obvious that "low carb, eat fat, and fast" isn't a universally necessary strategy in order to lose weight. Many people here who've had success losing weight (and keeping it off) have used different strategies than that. (I did.) But yeah, some people have used strategies like that.
If those strategies help you lose weight at a reasonable pace more easily, and don't create compliance or sustainability obstacles for you in one way or another, that's great. You'll find that out by trying it.
I'm a big believer that the best route is whatever makes it easier for the individual, and is compatible with reasonable odds of continuing good health. That strategy may be that, for you - how would we know?
Just generically: High odds of anything on YouTube being clickbait, because that's how they make money, right? Some of it will be valid, some won't. I think it's a good idea to consult multiple sources, and explicitly seek critics of the particular strategy, not just other advocates of the same thing.3 -
90% of YouTube “doctors” are quacks and desperate for clicks.oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Above points addressed: (1) I don't think this is a "fat fast". (2) Perhaps the truth gets clicks on You Tube, too. (3) "Calorie deficit" may be a common factor in most diets BUT aren't there other differences. (4) A young and/or healthy body may not "yet" reason the same or consider things that the older and/or unhealthy body does, like insulin resistance, fatty liver, etc. (5) The nutrition, health, medical and Doctor norms of the last 50 yrs seem to be coming apart at the seams in this information age. Google it. (6) My ears and mind remain open but with reason. I've read over and am considering each of your opinions, and future opinions, thank you so much.
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Above points addressed: (1) I don't think this is a "fat fast". (2) Perhaps the truth gets clicks on You Tube, too. (3) "Calorie deficit" may be a common factor in most diets BUT aren't there other differences. (4) A young and/or healthy body may not "yet" reason the same or consider things that the older and/or unhealthy body does, like insulin resistance, fatty liver, etc. (5) The nutrition, health, medical and Doctor norms of the last 50 yrs seem to be coming apart at the seams in this information age. Google it. (6) My ears and mind remain open but with reason. I've read over and am considering each of your opinions, and future opinions, thank you so much.
#3: For weight loss, calorie deficit is the direct determinant. That said, food choices can affect energy level or appetite/cravings. If energy drops so we burn fewer calories (in daily life stuff or exercise), or our appetite spikes so we can't stick with calorie goal, that will have an indirect effect on weight loss. The direct effect is still calories.
In addition, human bodies are dynamic: Calorie intake affects calorie expenditure. Simplistic example: If we under-eat or get seriously sub-par nutrition, we'll possibly get weak or fatigued, rest more, burn fewer calories via daily life or exercise than if we had more reasonable calories/nutrition.
For health, nutrition, body composition, satiation and that sort of thing, food choice for sure can matter. We need a certain minimum of the "essential macronutrients", fat and protein. We need a certain minimum of "essential micronutrients", too. There are other types or aspects of food that can be beneficial, too: Beneficial phytochemicals, probiotics, prebiotics, etc.
Humans have quite a diverse history. We're adaptive omnivores. If we get the basic essential nutrients, we usually have some wiggle room for personal food choices based on taste, affordability, and other subjective factors. (If we cut calories stupid far, that may not be true, but I assume you wouldn't do that.)
#4: There are a few things that vary with age or health conditions, but a lot of the basics are the same. I'm 67, have or have had various things going on health-wise (many now resolved since weight loss). IMU, for example, it's somewhat more important for older folks to get ample protein and spread it through the day, because we absorb it less well on average. There are micronutrients that we may need a bit more of for similar reasons.
I'm not going to delve into special diets for health conditions, but sure, some of those benefit from dietary variation. If your nutritionist is a registered dietitian, she may have useful input specific to your personal health conditions and diet.
For older folks like me, just as for younger ones, typically the single best thing we can do to improve some of those health conditions is to reach a healthy weight by any practical, reasonably health-compatible route. Beyond that, overall generic good nutrition, plus some cardiovascular/strength activity, are big contributors to health.
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The nutrition, health, medical and Doctor norms of the last 50 yrs seem to be coming apart at the seams in this information age. Google it.
Sure, information in all areas is constantly increasing - nutrition and medical things obviously included in this.
But coming apart at the seams? - I don't think so.
Basics of good nutrition and basic medical advice haven't changed - despite Youtubers coming up with
New! Amazing! clickbait hacks.6 -
Could people's difference of opinion on nutrition or anything else be as simple as exposure to information through (easy relaxed viewing access to unlimited home internet on a laptop and 32" monitor with plenty of viewing time) VS (strenuous strained access to a small limited smartphone and limited mobile format), keeping in mind, of course, the information could be controlled, bought and payed for by the "meat industry" or "medical industry", OR NOT. (My drive is to lose my belly, healthier kidneys, liver, heart, live fitter, longer). I've formed my "eating plan" direction from You Tube: Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr. Robert Lustig, Dr. Eric Berg, Dr. Pradip Jamnadas, Bob Briggs and dozens of other internet searches. I've just started, on this site, tracking my meals, (Monday: 440 total calories, 65g carbs, 12g fat)(Tues: 635 total calories, 87g carbs, 19g fat), apatite fully satisfied. Right now, I plan on continuing to refine my eating lifestyle toward "low carb, eat fat, fast if apatite is satisfied. Time will tell. Happy trails folks.0
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Wow, 440 calories on Monday and 635 on Tuesday - whatever your appetite may be, you are just starving yourself.
I prefer to lose (mostly) fat mass instead of sacrificing my muscle mass and risking my health.7 -
So your question " Is it all You Tube hype just to get clicks???" wasnt really a question, it was a lead in to telling us your better informed system as gathered through Youtube??
and now thread isnt going quite as you planned, as nobody seems very impressed with all your superior knowledge
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An example of "a little information is dangerous"7
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Could people's difference of opinion on nutrition or anything else be as simple as exposure to information through (easy relaxed viewing access to unlimited home internet on a laptop and 32" monitor with plenty of viewing time) VS (strenuous strained access to a small limited smartphone and limited mobile format), keeping in mind, of course, the information could be controlled, bought and payed for by the "meat industry" or "medical industry", OR NOT.
So the theory is that people who disagree with you do it partly because they have smaller monitors?
Interesting.
I can't speak for others, but in my case, I'm pretty sure I'm not shilling for Big Meat. I haven't eaten meat since 1974.(My drive is to lose my belly, healthier kidneys, liver, heart, live fitter, longer). I've formed my "eating plan" direction from You Tube: Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr. Robert Lustig, Dr. Eric Berg, Dr. Pradip Jamnadas, Bob Briggs and dozens of other internet searches. I've just started, on this site, tracking my meals, (Monday: 440 total calories, 65g carbs, 12g fat)(Tues: 635 total calories, 87g carbs, 19g fat), apatite fully satisfied. Right now, I plan on continuing to refine my eating lifestyle toward "low carb, eat fat, fast if apatite is satisfied. Time will tell. Happy trails folks.
Not remotely healthy, calorie level alone.
Leaves calorie room for only 18g and 29g of protein, respectively. Woefully inadequate, especially for an aging person.
Though I'm guessing without knowing your size, that likely isn't even adequate fat intake, ironically. (It wouldn't be adequate for an average sized adult.)
Good luck, sincerely.5 -
Ann. Dr Robert Lustig states both LowCarbHighFat or Vegan/Veg are both ok other than Vegan/Veg miss one nutrient/mineral (I forgot which one) from marine/fish and the supplement is fish oil from wild caught or eat the fish. But, Ann, since 1974, you're doing ok, good. Your calorie/protein comment to me feels good, I did , I guess better on my one meal yesterday (while staying hunger satisfied), higher calories and, I guess, a better ratio between carbs, protein and fat. Thanks, I'm learning and evolving this eating plan more each day. I'm open minded, skeptical, evaluating with my passive reasoning, about information from any direction.1
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Could people's difference of opinion on nutrition or anything else be as simple as exposure to information through (easy relaxed viewing access to unlimited home internet on a laptop and 32" monitor with plenty of viewing time) VS (strenuous strained access to a small limited smartphone and limited mobile format), keeping in mind, of course, the information could be controlled, bought and payed for by the "meat industry" or "medical industry", OR NOT. (My drive is to lose my belly, healthier kidneys, liver, heart, live fitter, longer). I've formed my "eating plan" direction from You Tube: Dr. Sten Ekberg, Dr. Robert Lustig, Dr. Eric Berg, Dr. Pradip Jamnadas, Bob Briggs and dozens of other internet searches. I've just started, on this site, tracking my meals, (Monday: 440 total calories, 65g carbs, 12g fat)(Tues: 635 total calories, 87g carbs, 19g fat), apatite fully satisfied. Right now, I plan on continuing to refine my eating lifestyle toward "low carb, eat fat, fast if apatite is satisfied. Time will tell. Happy trails folks.
I liked Dr. Eric Berg until I found out the information he gave on intermittent fasting wasn't true.0 -
Brigit02, can you explain what fasting info is untrue and I will watch out for. Thanks for the heads-up.0
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oldmanbythegulf wrote: »Ann. Dr Robert Lustig states both LowCarbHighFat or Vegan/Veg are both ok other than Vegan/Veg miss one nutrient/mineral (I forgot which one) from marine/fish and the supplement is fish oil from wild caught or eat the fish. But, Ann, since 1974, you're doing ok, good. Your calorie/protein comment to me feels good, I did , I guess better on my one meal yesterday (while staying hunger satisfied), higher calories and, I guess, a better ratio between carbs, protein and fat. Thanks, I'm learning and evolving this eating plan more each day. I'm open minded, skeptical, evaluating with my passive reasoning, about information from any direction.
If you found out Lustig is a quack, would you still hold his opinion highly?
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Hello ninerbuff. If it was proven or just reasonably presented that Dr. Robert Lustig or anyone else was incorrect in all or some of their teaching, then of course, yes, it would effect my opinion. But, your above comment doesn't prove or reasonably present that Dr. Lustig is a quack. I'm open to diet info from you also. BTW, an exercise question. Should I loose my big belly with diet before I add ab exercises to my gym regiment?1
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Your doctor and your nutritionist seem to me to be gently suggesting you spend your energies elsewhere - other people on this site are trying to inform of the logic behind this advice.
(And to answer your latest question - do abs or any other exercises at any weight or stomach size - but just go gently if you are out of shape. Start small, build up. Listen to your body saying it is time to stop. Pushing too hard - with exercise or weight loss - is not a good idea.)
Go well…and treat your body with kindness.4 -
oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm focusing in on "low carbs, eat fat & fast". My Doctors & my 110 lb, 20 yr old Nutritionist does not seem to be interested??? Is it all You Tube hype just to get clicks???
@oldmanbythegulf, it just kills me that so many professionals in healthcare seem to be totally uninformed about metabolic syndrome or insulin resistance. The diet industry has pretty much embraced the concept that refined sugars and processed foods are things to stay away from as much as possible. Unfortunately, many people who make a living from those desperate to lose weight make wild claims like how easy it is lose 20 lbs in a week. Then double down and promise that those suddenly lost pounds will never be regained. So much of it is just as you described: Hype. No all of it though. You'll have to determine what works for you and what doesn't
Or, perhaps your doctor is concerned about you reporting, "(Monday: 440 total calories, 65g carbs, 12g fat)(Tues: 635 total calories, 87g carbs, 19g fat)." I doubt that any Nutritionist is going to be O.K. with that way of eating for any length of time either. Depending on your amount of body fat you can not maintain that low of energy intake for long without doing yourself harm. No matter what your body size is, that way of eating is not going to work for you long term. I applaud you for searching for a meal plan that will work for you on your journey to a healthier you. You seem open enough to adapt and make changes as needed. Keep at it and I am sure you will do just fine.
You have mentioned belly fat and fatty liver. As others have said, there is no specific remedy to target either one other than to lose fat levels by expending more energy than you take in through consumption. You do have to pay attention though that you are getting enough vitamins and minerals, along with sufficient calories to keep up your energy level. As your body composition changes, so will it's needs. Accurate calorie counting and food logging is very helpful in telling you what is working and what isn't.
As for the YouTube influencers discussed in this thread, I am most familiar with Dr. Lustig. His early lectures, when he was still a full time professor, were easier to believe in. He was one of the first Academics to press the case against processed foods and refined sugars. Now that he has his books to sell and a growing following I can't help but wonder. His message hasn't changed all that much, and I shouldn't condemn him for trying to make money with his advice, but I don't care much for Influencers. His statements that refined sugar is addictive and poison our bodies is in direct opposition to mainstream dietary advice. His claims that CICO is not completely true is another point of contention. See some of the threads in MFP's Debate Club section. Their have been no valid arguments to debunk his claims - and I have looked for them. He is not a quack in my book.1 -
oldmanbythegulf wrote: »I'm talking about lifetime eating habits of depriving your body of carbs and it will then adapt to eating it's own fat. Allow your apatite to determine when you eat. No apatite, don't eat. When you eat, chose a fatty meat, real butter, cheese, eggs, veg. etc. (focus on low carbs). The fat will cause you to feel satisfied longer, sometimes all day, even "one meal a day". Fasting isn't necessary but, 8/16 hrs or 24 hrs or even longer, could be helpful, as your body become fat and ketone adapted for energy instead of carbs, blood sugar, glucose, therefore your insulin resistance reverses to insulin sensitive, producing less insulin, which is good and may even help diabetes cases. Don't count calories. Condition your body to eat all those calories from your body fat. No sugar, very low carbs, fats will control your apatite longer, eat "only" when you're hungry, your overall health will begin to improve. Search this on You Tube. I hope it's correct.
It's working wonders for me, in all aspects of my life.
The young'uns don't get it.
LOW sugar WORKS.1 -
Just because a way of eating works for you doesnt meant other people don't get it or it is good for everyone.
Not sure how you are measuring 'it works' - but , for me, there was no need to go low sugar. I don't eat excessive amounts of it but I dont demonise or avoid it either - within context of appropriate calories and overall nutrition.
My way of eating works for me.
I'm not young either. 4
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