Hypothyroidism
MandieBeeeeee
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I was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s hypothyroidism a few years ago and I take medication for it (which helps a lot). However, I gradually started gaining weight in recent years and found it difficult to lose it no matter what I did.
I read that HIIT training is actually bad because it raises cortisol levels, which in turn, tells the body to store fats and retain water….and I was doing HIIT and weight training when I gained the most weight (and not in a good way)
Doesn’t anyone know more about this subject? Is there a better way to exercise without raising cortisol levels?
I read that HIIT training is actually bad because it raises cortisol levels, which in turn, tells the body to store fats and retain water….and I was doing HIIT and weight training when I gained the most weight (and not in a good way)
Doesn’t anyone know more about this subject? Is there a better way to exercise without raising cortisol levels?
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I've been successfully under treatment for hypothyroidism for nearly thirty years. I am able to lose and/or maintain my weight successfully too, so if your medication is properly dosed then I would assume your issue is eating too much. The cortisol production from exercise isn't the problem unless you're eating too much. All of us who exercise have this cortisol production - in fact exercise helps regulate daily cortisol levels.
How long have you been logging food and eating at a deficit?
If you are having an issue with weight gain, I'd bet my pumpkin pie it's the food - not the healthy cortisol release from exercise.3 -
Agreed. I am hypothyroid as well and have been taking meds for 20 years. In my mid-50s I lost over 50 lbs. and have kept it off, in large part by a consistent and fairly strenuous exercise routine as well as logging everything I eat on a daily basis.2
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Me, three, experientially. My (severe, but properly medicated) hypothyroidism didn't prevent weight loss, and a reasonably active exercise life didn't cause complications.
I do think all HIIT all the time is a sub-ideal plan, but not because of cortisol. It's not how elite athletes train, and they have the best possible advice from highly qualified trainers and dietitians about fitness, performance, and health. Why would us regular duffers do differently than they do?
For sure, HIIT is trendy and over-hyped now. It can play a small part in overall solid training program. But it also increases injury risk, can be likely to trigger over-fatigue and under-recovery, and more. Over-fatigue and under-recovery can hinder strength/ performance improvement plus bleed calorie burn out of daily life activity (because we drag through the day and rest more, basically).
Has it been established through repeated blood tests that you actually have persistent high cortisol, or is this just based on what you read in some article somewhere?
IMU, it is true that someone with one autoimmune condition is somewhat more likely to have other autoimmune conditions. Some of those, like Cushing's syndrome, can cause persistent high cortisol.
There are other health conditions that can cause persistent high cortisol, but that's to be sorted out by seeing medical professionals and having blood tests, not by reading articles. (Extra true if the article happens to be on a site marketing supplement/diet/exercise program "solutions", or the site of a fringe-y advocacy organization.)
Some research suggests that people with Hashi's may tend to have elevated cortisol, but I'm not sure that's been definitively proven, or is necessarily universal among those with Hashi's.
IMU, all of the "persistent high cortisol" health conditions are fairly rare, so low odds you have them, but not impossible.
Those are questions for doctors, ideally endocrinologists, not random idiots like me on the internet.
Exercise - like other forms of stress, even useful stress - tends to raise cortisol. In a generally healthy person (including those of us who are hypothyroid & properly medicated), when that person follows a sensible training plan with adequate recovery for their fitness level, that cortisol increase is temporary (maybe 30-60 minutes for something like HIIT).
Stress of all types is cumulative. If you're in a calorie deficit, have a stressful daily life, exercise (especially to excess with under recovery), aren't getting ideal nutrition, etc., those things can keep cortisol elevated a little higher or longer, maybe.
In common cases, the reasons for gradual weight gain are some combination of:
* lower daily life activity levels as we age (which can be subtle but surprisingly high impact),
* reduced muscle mass (if we don't challenge strength routinely, muscle mass tends to decrease over time), and
* eating too much (in calorie terms, which can also be subtle, especially if not tracking fairly carefully).
You don't give us many details, which makes it hard to give you specific suggestions. You haven't said how much weight gain over what time period, what specific type or how much HIIT (frequency and duration) in that time period, how many calories you're eating (and how you know), what your job and other daily chores are, how old you are, what weight/height, etc.
In theory, eating a mere 100 calories on average daily more than we burn will trigger 10 pounds of weight gain in a year. That's like a tablespoon of mayo or equivalent daily. (It can also be from a rich, somewhat indulgent meal one a week or so.)
Same effect from averaging 100 calories less movement (exercise or normal life stuff) daily, or some equivalent combination of eating a bit more plus moving a bit less. This stuff can be surprisingly subtle.
Just as context, I'm severely hypothyroid (properly medicated), female, now age 69, menopausal (of course), 5'5", lower 130s pounds, fair mucks mass for my demographic exercising pretty vigorously 4-6 days most weeks, near sedentary outside of intentional exercise. I lost around 50 pounds here at age 59-60 after previous decades of creeping overweight/obesity, the last dozen years of which I was already athletically active, even competing (not always unsuccessfully in age group comps). I got coaching certifications in my sport, so I know a bit about exercise plans and fitness development from that, plus personal study and experience.
I've maintained my weight in a healthy range since that loss. Despite being hypothroid, I require hundreds of calories more daily than MFP or my good brand/model fitness tracker estimate. That's rare in anyone, but it can happen even for us hypos. IIRC, @cmriverside above also requires more calories than estimated. Not sure where @spiriteagle99 falls on that spectrum.
If you think you have persistently high cortisol, please see a doctor, ideally an endocrinologist, for testing and diagnosis. Some of the rare conditions that can cause it are serious.
Otherwise (or simultaneously):
* make and follow a good exercise plan suitable for your fitness level (if you enjoy exercise),
* boost your daily life activity within reason,
* manage your total stress level to the extent possible,
* get a calorie estimate for moderate weight loss for your current size and activity level (including exercise either by logging exercise or by averaging it into activity level),
* shoot for decent nutrition if you aren't already,
* stay close to that calorie level on average for 4-6 weeks (say +/- 50 calories), or for least one full menstrual cycle if you have those.
After that time period, your actual real-world results, averaged over the whole time period, will give you better insight about whether and how much to adjust calorie intake to get the effect you want. For weight loss alone and per se, medical attention is only necessary if you're calorie needs seem to be dramatically less than a good calculator (like MFP) estimates.
Best wishes!
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I've maintained my weight in a healthy range since that loss. Despite being hypothroid, I require hundreds of calories more daily than MFP or my good brand/model fitness tracker estimate. That's rare in anyone, but it can happen even for us hypos. IIRC, @cmriverside above also requires more calories than estimated. Not sure where @spiriteagle99 falls on that spectrum.
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Yes to the statement made here.
Properly medicated with levothyroxine for three decades. I'm female, 5'7" 140 pounds, age 70. I lost 80ish pounds in 2007-08 and have maintained since.
Online calorie calculators suggest I eat 1700 calories (including exercise) to maintain my current weight, and in reality I need to eat 2100-2400 every day. Some days even more, up to around 2800 once or twice a week. I walk on hilly terrain 3-5 days a week for 90 minutes. Otherwise I'm pretty sedentary - retired, small condo with very little necessary physical upkeep.
Everyone has to work out their calories by logging food and exercise and their body weight over a month or two. Calculators are estimates.
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I also burn more calories than expected at my age (67). I do about 2 hours a day of exercise: walking the dog, running, biking, etc. The rest of my lifestyle is sedentary. MFP and Garmin both say my net calories should be 1400 plus exercise. I actually need about 1800 plus exercise calories to maintain my weight (123 lbs.)2
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Yeah, same here. With one caveat: My meds need to be spot on. Many doctors say that your levels are fine, while you feel miserable. There's no need to be miserable, and good levels can mean an awful lot: just barely fine, not fine but not off by a lot, fine but not fine for you. Thus if you think you're not fine discuss with your doctor and get your dosage adjusted. Again, there's no reason to not feel ok while having hashi.2
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I forgot to mention that there's a really good thread here about hypothyroidism and weight management:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10767046/hypothyroidism-and-weight-management
It was started by a guy who's a scientist in the hypothyroidism field, himself hypothyroid (surgically removed, IIRC), who lost weight himself via calorie counting. I don't think he's hanging around here anymore, but he made some good contributions while he was.
Yes, there are multiple types and causes of hypothyroidism, among which Hashi's is only one. I think the thread may offer some solidly science-based insights nonetheless.
In general, there's a lot of rabid nonsense on the web about hypothyroidism (and a zillion other topics), most of the silliness from marketers who claim they have some "secret" cure if you give them $$$$, or alt-health fringe groups. I'd recommend staying away from that kind of thing, or at least checking their claims against peer-reviewed research results, perhaps especially well-designed, nuanced meta-analyses.1 -
I gave myself hypothyroidism when I was about 14 or 15 due to my restriction and disordered eating. I tried HIIT workouts, high intensity sports, etc. Wasn't losing any weight which caused me to feel every worse. The mixture of unhealthy eating habits and overworking my body destroyed my hormones and thyroid. Eventually I went to the doctor and they said I had hypothyroidism and that the best way to heal it was to get on medication, and change my lifestyle.
Completely changed my life out that. It's what pushed me towards recovery.
I started eating 3-5 meals a day, not restricting entire food groups or micros/macros, and ate between 1600-2000 calories a day. Lost more weight than I did when I was restrictive and working out intensely.
Eat more, and do low intensity workouts. Instead of weight training, try cardio. Walking, speed walking, or jogging can be really good for your overall metabolism.
Focus on healing your metabolism rather than losing weight. You'll get better results0 -
courtneylove6 wrote: »I gave myself hypothyroidism when I was about 14 or 15 due to my restriction and disordered eating. I tried HIIT workouts, high intensity sports, etc. Wasn't losing any weight which caused me to feel every worse. The mixture of unhealthy eating habits and overworking my body destroyed my hormones and thyroid. Eventually I went to the doctor and they said I had hypothyroidism and that the best way to heal it was to get on medication, and change my lifestyle.
Completely changed my life out that. It's what pushed me towards recovery.
I started eating 3-5 meals a day, not restricting entire food groups or micros/macros, and ate between 1600-2000 calories a day. Lost more weight than I did when I was restrictive and working out intensely.
Eat more, and do low intensity workouts. Instead of weight training, try cardio. Walking, speed walking, or jogging can be really good for your overall metabolism.
Focus on healing your metabolism rather than losing weight. You'll get better results
I'm saying this with all love. You didn't give yourself hypothyroidism. Unless you exposed yourself to nuclear radiation. I promise. Hypothyroidism just doesn't work like that. It's not created or even triggered by our lifestyles. It's one of those diseases that just happen due to our genetics. Regardless of lifestyle. Nor can it be helped with lifestyle, unfortunately. It simply requires medication. And yes, with medication you can lose weight and live just like anyone else.0 -
While a history of eating disorders is correlated with a higher incidence of thyroid disorders, it is far from the only correlation or cause.
Recovering from an eating disorder is always a good thing, of course, no matter the type of disorder, as far as I know.
I'm severely hypothyroid, never had a serious eating disorder, though I did creep up into the class 1 obese BMI range over decades of adult life. (Class 1 obese is the lowest-weight section of the technical definition of obesity.) I wouldn't characterize that as an eating disorder, at least in my case, though it does imply a form of disordered eating. In my case, it was hedonic behavior because food is pleasurable, not anything more psychologically complex. I understand that that isn't true for everyone. (Obesity is also correlated with hypothyroidism.)
I may have a genetic trigger for hypothyroidism: My father, who was not generally obese (briefly overweight as part of adjusting to retired life) was also hypothyroid. It's less common among men.
I don't have Hashi's, but it does tend to run in families, so a genetic component is considered probable, though IMU the exact genetics haven't been identified yet.
Hypothyroidism is also correlated with having had radiation therapy to the neck or chest. I had had such therapy shortly before being diagnosed as hypothyroid.
Hashi's - and other auto-immune conditions - is also correlated with radiation exposure, either radiation therapy or exposures in other ways such as exposure somehow in daily life.
There are other conditions correlated with thyroid conditions beyond those, of course, including possibly some other environmental factors.
What's my point? I think it's always good to focus on health, even when weight loss is part of the picture. But whether to eat more or eat less (when maintaining a calorie deficit to lose weight), whether to do cardio or strength training or both at the time . . . that's somewhat individual. So is the question of whether someone's metabolism is meaningfully impaired in some way.
For some, eating more may lead to losing weight more slowly - that's actually more common. For some, dropping strength training in favor of cardio alone may be more harmful than useful.
I think these are all good things to consider. OP may have a history of eating disorders, or not. Certainly, such a history may be somewhat over-represented on a site like MFP. But it's not universal.
The best things to do with hypothyroidism in the picture can differ among individuals, and probably the same is true of the Hashi's form. Our medical team is the place to go to sort that out, IMO, beyond the generalities that apply to most everyone.0
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