thoughts on ozempic and the like

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,308 Member
    Yeah but I don't think the receptors in every single cell that we've generated over the last 2 million years were waiting around for a drug to make us healthy. :#
  • MsCzar
    MsCzar Posts: 1,074 Member
    I seem to be in the ~13% non-responder category. :'(
    Been on Wegovy since May and have not seen any of the incredible results so often touted.
  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 3,959 Member
    Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
    It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
    Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
    Just thoughts.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,816 Member
    Corina1143 wrote: »
    Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
    It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
    Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
    Just thoughts.

    There are foods that tend to increase natural GLP-1 production in the body. The effect doesn't last as long in the body as the drugs do, but it's complicated.

    If that's the mechanism we're talking about, then water, milk, clear soup, or protein powder (with nothing else significant in it) probably wouldn't have that effect. Like I said, it's complicated, but as a loose generalization, the foods that increase natural GLP-1 tend to be high in certain fiber types or contain certain types of fats. Transit time matters from the standpoint of how long the effect lasts, I think.

    I'd be cautious, because I think the research is still evolving, and there's lots of woo-woo on the web about the subject.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,308 Member
    edited December 2024
    Corina1143 wrote: »
    Have you seen the new Nestle's Boost that is supposed to do the same thing as wegovy, zepbound, etc?
    It's 125 ml, about 1/2 cup, 10 grams protein, low sugar. At $10.99 a 4-pack, it's about $247/30 days 3 meals a day. Much cheaper than drugs?
    Suggested you drink 1 container 30 minutes before each meal. Would 1/2 cup water or milk or clear soup lower your appetite as much? Would 10 grams worth of protein made with your favorite protein drink?
    Just thoughts.

    What Nestle is actually saying is that consuming their formulation can help manage blood sugar levels for people with diabetes and use the terminology like "Glucose Control", "HELP MANAGE BLOOD SUGAR", "DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH DIABETES."

    Well, that is no doubt a health claim which needs to have FDA approval, which they do not. There's actually a class action lawsuit against Nestle for their misleading claims and that the products do not control glucose levels as advertised, it's actually a silly presupposition and quite arrogant in believing they could actually get away with making claims like this, in my opinion of course.

    For example their boost formula has 16g's of protein, 4g's of carbs, all sugars, and 9g's of fat totaling 190 calories
    4 ounces of boneless skinless chicken breast is 26g's or protein, no carbs, 2g's of fat for a total of 125 calories. Even beef flank steak will have around the same calories as Boost with 23 g's of protein and about 10g's of fat

    The chicken breast will elicit a smaller glucose response and therefore be more effective than any random let alone formulated protein drink, so will the steak.

    Here's the total ingredient list for Nestlé Boost Glucose Control:

    Water, Milk Protein Concentrate, Tapioca Dextrin, Canola Oil, and Less Than 2% of:

    Fructose
    Soy Protein Isolate
    Cocoa Processed with Alkali
    Calcium Caseinate
    Sodium Caseinate
    Fructooligosaccharides

    Vitamins and Minerals (Calcium Phosphate, Sodium Ascorbate, Choline Bitartrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Ascorbic Acid, DL-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ferric Pyrophosphate, Zinc Sulfate, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin A Palmitate, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Copper Sulfate, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Potassium Iodide, Vitamin K1, Sodium Selenite, Biotin, Vitamin D3, Sodium Molybdate, Vitamin B12)

    As well as Partially Hydrolyzed Guar Gum, Salt, Cellulose Gel and Gum, Soy Lecithin, Sucralose, Carrageenan, Natural and Artificial Flavor




  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 3,959 Member
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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,308 Member
    edited December 2024
    Semaglutide is the active ingredient in the medication of wegovy and it's actually a synthetic analog of GLP-1, meaning it's designed to resemble GLP-1 closely in the body and whey protein isolates are not that but simply a nutrient when consumed with food will slow digestion, period, but so do vegetables and fat. The gap between whey protein isolates or chicken breast is a canyon compared to an actual synthetic analog of a GLP-1 agonist, not the same thing at all.

    Saying it "Promotes GLP-1 natural response to a meal" is disingenuous and taking advantage by way of marketing and imo shameful simply because they know better, that is, what Nestles is doing is supplying the foods that are contributing to the health crisis and then reformulate those same foods to offer a health solution, a cure to obesity, crazy stuff really unless of course, your a shareholder of Nestle. :)
  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 3,959 Member
    So @neanderthin, what you are basically saying is
    Nestle is following the lead of big Pharma and government agencies who take $ from specific interest groups to promote their products? Or ?
  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 3,959 Member
    I'm not interested in taking these products at this point.
    Just interested in Nestle's claims. Not even picking on Nestle in particular.
    I can't find a protein bar, jerky, or any high protein snack that would be quick and easy to run in and pick up when I'm out and about and get hungry that isn't full of more chemicals than food. I usually settle for a Larabar. Closer to a candy bar than a protein bar, but healthier than anything else I see.

    Why?

    Back to the new Boost. I did the figures. IF you thought it would work like the drugs (big IF!), then Isopure whey isolate in the same portions would cost $64.66/mo at my local Walmart. Of course you would have to supply the flavor and that would add cost and calories. Doesn't matter, cause I agree it won't work the same as the drugs.
    However, I do think the whey isolate instead of the Boost would produce the same result at a considerable $ saving.
    And it's an interesting idea. People have been saying for a long time that a glass of water before meals lowers appetite. Protein lowers appetite for many people. Many people supplement protein intake. Just thoughts.
  • Ericajohnson85
    Ericajohnson85 Posts: 1 Member
    edited December 2024
    A couple years ago I was facing the same thoughts and was really contemplating if I should use the "quick fix", so I truly understand what you're going through. However, I decided not to do it and for me it was the right choice, because the satisfaction of having put in the work and doing it by yourself was great. My self-esteem increased immensely.
  • Adventurista
    Adventurista Posts: 1,986 Member
    edited December 2024
    I continue to believe this is currently a legal option and choice to consider with the doctor.

    There are other medical reasons being explored such as possibly for Kidney disease. I have a bit of trouble following the science argument for all the possible benefits and harms, so fall back to if it is legal, then a choice until it is not.

    And, surprised to stumble across the shot as a topic of a Dr Phil show this week. Had 4 guests (2 parents with their child) a doctor and a body positivity influencer as well.

    Interesting discussion. Audience surveyed if older kids should be treated with shot for obesity. I think 58% did not think kids should be on shot, and 40% something thought maybe ok. I found the 40+% rather shocking.

    Of note too were some shocking social media trends with watching people gorge on food, and separately the spread of the body positivity movement attitudes when it crosses/has evolved into harmful stuff like glamorising obesity.
  • dearjulie1
    dearjulie1 Posts: 6 Member
    My doctor is on these meds. She's short and probably needs to lose 50-60 pounds. I asked about the side effects, particularly the possible permanent effects on the Vagus nerve and about gastroparesis. Her answer was that each person needed to make a risk/benefit calculation, and the people she was prescribing it to were those with immediate health risks due to their weight. She refuses to prescribe it for what she called "vanity."

    So, even if I needed to lose a lot of weight, I wouldn't take it. Too many unknowns and too much potential for negative side effects. But for those with immediate health risks, they need to do a risk analysis.
  • ShowPoodleGirl
    ShowPoodleGirl Posts: 23 Member
    My brother is taking it, at the lowest dose, and he finds it very helpful. It simply makes him crave food less.
    I'm doing it 'the old fashioned way' and I'm hoping not to go on it. I'm doing great currently. I'm 4 months in, really enjoying the gym, and not struggling with my eating, but also not being restrictive in a way that doesn't let me enjoy things like the holidays. However, I have done great in my weight loss plans before for months at a time and then fallen off track and not managed to get myself back on track again. So I feel like if I start to fall off track, I may consider taking ozempic to try to get me back on track then hopefully come off it fairly quickly again. I haven't done a deep dive into researching the med yet, so that may change my mind, but it is a fall back plan that I have considered to get me over a hump if need be.

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