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Metabolism help please!?

Sloth_Life
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Hi everyone! First time posting here. I am in desperate need of some advice. For years I have struggled with my weight. I have spent so long on super calorie restrictive/ very low refined carbs that my body really just got used to that being the norm. If I ate more the 500-700 calories per day or anything different than like chicken breast, keto bread, and eggs, fruit and veggies etc, I would rapidly gain weight. I've done research, and it said to eat the amount of calories you're supposed to eat regularly in order to fix your metabolism. (I eat healthy, have for years, so luckily that's not an issue as well.) So I tried that, and I just keep gaining weight, no matter what I do. My only goal is to honestly just be able to eat a normal healthy diet like other people without the weight gain. And to lose the 10lbs that I've gained when I was trying to learn how to fix this mess. So 137. If I lose more, cool, but it's not a need. I am 36yr old female, 147.9lbs and 5'4". I am eating about 1350 calories as of now, not sure if this is too much, just right, or too little. I just know I am tired of eating healthy and gaining weight lol. Any advice is so welcome please, I could really use some insight on this. Thank you!
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Sloth_Life wrote: »Hi everyone! First time posting here. I am in desperate need of some advice. For years I have struggled with my weight. I have spent so long on super calorie restrictive/ very low refined carbs that my body really just got used to that being the norm. If I ate more the 500-700 calories per day or anything different than like chicken breast, keto bread, and eggs, fruit and veggies etc, I would rapidly gain weight. I've done research, and it said to eat the amount of calories you're supposed to eat regularly in order to fix your metabolism. (I eat healthy, have for years, so luckily that's not an issue as well.) So I tried that, and I just keep gaining weight, no matter what I do. My only goal is to honestly just be able to eat a normal healthy diet like other people without the weight gain. And to lose the 10lbs that I've gained when I was trying to learn how to fix this mess. So 137. If I lose more, cool, but it's not a need. I am 36yr old female, 147.9lbs and 5'4". I am eating about 1350 calories as of now, not sure if this is too much, just right, or too little. I just know I am tired of eating healthy and gaining weight lol. Any advice is so welcome please, I could really use some insight on this. Thank you!
Eating super low calories can reduce calorie needs in future below predicted levels, yes. Losing weight repeatedly that way will tend to do the same. Therefore, you could possibly - not definitely - require fewer calories than MFP, another calorie calculator, or even a fitness tracker suggest. It's highly, highly unlikely that your weight-maintenance calories are as low as 500-700 calories. Even if you are severely hypothyroid without knowing it, it would be very, very unlikely to drive your calorie needs that low. (But if you haven't had blood tests for that or other issues, and believe you need only that few calories to hold weight steady, it would be a good idea to talk with your doctor, because that calorie level is so very low.)
With your demographics, we'd expect an average woman to burn about 1700 calories daily, if her life involved little/no exercise, a desk job, and some moderate walking to get daily life chores done. (I don't know if that describes your life, since you didn't say anything about job, home chores, or exercise. I got that estimate here: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/)
For that average person who IS as described just above, eating 1350 calories would be expected to lose about 3 pounds a month. If you truly have a history of under-eating, it could be somewhat slower for you. For sure, knowing whether it's true for you - or whether any estimate is true for you - would require sticking with it for 4-6 weeks, or if you have menstrual cycles, at least one whole cycle so you can compare body weight at the same relative point in at least 2 different cycles.
It takes that long for a sensible weight loss rate to show reasonably clearly in average weekly weight change; shorter time span results tend to be distorted by perfectly normal water retention and food-waste fluctuations of multiple pounds from one day to the next.
You wrote "If I ate more the 500-700 calories per day or anything different than like chicken breast, keto bread, and eggs, fruit and veggies etc, I would rapidly gain weight." I'm wondering what kind of time span we're talking about there. There are a variety of ways to eat healthy. Depending on which veggies/fruits you're talking about, I wonder whether you were going from quite a low carb eating style to one with more carbs.
Simply increasing food intake tends to add some scale weight from additional food waste in the digestive tract. That and/or increasing carbs especially tends to increase scale weight immediately for reasons that have zero to do with fat regain. Instead, it's the increased waste in the digestive tract, plus increased water needed to digest the extra carbohydrates, since carbs require more water to digest/metabolize.
There's nothing wrong with eating low carb, but there's also nothing wrong with sensible increase in carbs . . . "sensible" taking into account what food sources we're talking about, calorie level, plus any relevant health conditions the person may have that could require careful management of carbs (such as diabetes or insulin resistance).
Too often, we see people here add calories to aim toward weight maintenance who see that quick - even overnight - multi-pound scale jump from water/waste, think it's fat gain, then cut calories severely again to avoid that "gain". That's not a path of thriving. I don't know whether that's part of the scenario for you, because you don't say anything about the timeline involved.
When you increase calories, high odds there'll be a scale jump. It may be temporary, or in some cases could be a new normal if the waste/water levels stay up a bit. But at the right calorie level, it isn't fat. It's important IMO to expect that jump, and wait it out at the new calorie level for that same 4-6 weeks/one cycle timespan to see what happens to the average weekly trend, not just that short-term jump. If a too-high calorie increase is the problem - which one can estimate based on recent weight loss rate before the calorie increase - that's not likely to show up on the scale overnight, but be more like fat weight creeping on slowly over a week or few.
Often, those of us who have been in maintenance for a while suggest that someone newly going to maintenance set a maintenance weight range of a few pounds. That's because steady weight is really weight that meanders up and down a little because of normal water/waste fluctuations. We'd then suggest the person lose down to the lower end of that range before increasing calories. We also say to expect the scale jump, and not stress about it, but hang in there for the month or so to see averages.
If someone is very stressed by that scale jump, the drama may be minimized somewhat by adding back calories quite slowly, such as 50-100 calories per day for a week or so, then another small increment, until reaching what one estimates to be maintenance calories. There may still be a tiny scale jump each time when adding calories, but smaller. Someone who overshoots maintenance calories by 100 daily can expect it to take somewhat over a month to gain a pound of fat, so the risk isn't huge from doing that. Approaching goal after loss, most of us know how to lose a pound, right?
We might be able to give you more nuanced advice if we knew what kind of timelines you were talking about here, and other details. For example, you mention gaining 10 pounds: Over what time period? With what size of calorie increase, ideally saying what were the before and after average calorie levels?
I think you can work your way through this, but it could take some continuing patience and perseverance, realistically.
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I promise you that your metabolism isn’t broken. It takes more than 1000 calories per day to run your organs, brain, blood circulation, breathing and everything else that keeps you alive. Have you noticed that several of those don’t work anymore and you’re in fact dead or in intensive care? If not then all is fine.3
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I would also add that it's perfectly normal to gain weight when you're going from low carb to eating carbs again: carbs require water, so your weight gain is more than likely (partially) water weight.
Eating more food also means more food waste in your digestive tract, which will also increase your scale weight.3 -
How are you calculating your calorie totals? Can you open your diary so we can see what entries you are selecting?
Also keep in mind that weight gain does not always equal fat gain.2 -
It sounds to me as if you need to speak to your doctor and a nutritionist. I think being able to sit face to face with someone to talk about healthy eating would be of a benefit to you. If you were only eating 500-700 calories a day, then you were likely lacking the proper nutrition for your body and should be checked out.
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@AnnPT77
Thank you so much for your help. : ) And everyone else too. As far as timelines go, I've been experimenting with trying to add calories for years and it always does this. BUT- never have I been brave enough to stick with it for at least 6 weeks. At this point, I've started this round about 4 weeks ago now, and I've gained 10 lbs. I was eating about 1350 calories a day, and I raised it up rather quickly about over the course of a week and a half, it was kinda painful lol.. I had a few days where I gave up a did weight watchers, because I only tend to eat about 700 calories with that, with lots of points left over, because I was worried about the weight gain. But it's looking like the weight gain is normal. I am just scared I'm not gonna be able to get it back off. Mainly because I don't have a plan for how to get it back off after I gain it. Lol. The 500-700 calories just keeps me at a stagnant weight. And so far the 1350 was making me gain. So- I will keep eating 1350 for 6 weeks roughly, and see how that goes, and then what would be a good plan after that? Am I supposed to stay at 1350 for 6 weeks and that will help my metabolism balance out? Or were you saying to raise it up to the 1700 slowly? Then later I can try dropping any gained weight? Any tips on where would be a safe level of calories for that? I'm sorry for all the questions, you seem so knowledgeable about this stuff, and I just really appreciate it. Thank you very much for your help! Have a great day!0 -
no one has mentioned the type of calories that you’re eating. The only way I was able to lose weight after many years was lifting weights and eating more protein. I ate more calories than I’ve ever eaten in my life and lost 26 pounds. I think it’s because of the muscle I have gained.1
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Balanced Macros is magic0
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If I ate more the 500-700 calories per day or anything different than like chicken breast, keto bread, and eggs, fruit and veggies etc, I would rapidly gain weight.
I suggest you get in contact with a registered dietitian, endocrinologist or a PCP and discuss your situation. imo1 -
Do you track and log your calories here? If so, you may want to open your diary to see if you are having some very common logging issues, because as you said, "The 500-700 calories just keeps me at a stagnant weight. And so far the 1350 was making me gain." But that just isn't possible. You'd be severely underweight if you consistently consumed only 500-700 daily for long periods of time.1
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Sloth_Life wrote: »@AnnPT77
Thank you so much for your help. : ) And everyone else too. As far as timelines go, I've been experimenting with trying to add calories for years and it always does this. BUT- never have I been brave enough to stick with it for at least 6 weeks. At this point, I've started this round about 4 weeks ago now, and I've gained 10 lbs. I was eating about 1350 calories a day, and I raised it up rather quickly about over the course of a week and a half, it was kinda painful lol.. I had a few days where I gave up a did weight watchers, because I only tend to eat about 700 calories with that, with lots of points left over, because I was worried about the weight gain. But it's looking like the weight gain is normal. I am just scared I'm not gonna be able to get it back off. Mainly because I don't have a plan for how to get it back off after I gain it. Lol. The 500-700 calories just keeps me at a stagnant weight. And so far the 1350 was making me gain. So- I will keep eating 1350 for 6 weeks roughly, and see how that goes, and then what would be a good plan after that? Am I supposed to stay at 1350 for 6 weeks and that will help my metabolism balance out? Or were you saying to raise it up to the 1700 slowly? Then later I can try dropping any gained weight? Any tips on where would be a safe level of calories for that? I'm sorry for all the questions, you seem so knowledgeable about this stuff, and I just really appreciate it. Thank you very much for your help! Have a great day!
I'd suggest you stay with the 1350 calories long term, maybe more than the 4-6 weeks, at this point. I'd suggest you see your doctor for blood tests and other tests for relevant health conditions. Take your absolutely correct, complete food logs to show the doctor. Have the most recent several weeks with you, and make sure they're complete, including any moments - if there are any - where you eat more than usual for any reason, no matter how you feel about that reason.
Reinforcing advice above, ask your doctor for a referral to a registered dietitian (RD) or consult one on your own if your doctor won't refer you. The right term differs by country, and I'm not sure where you are. In the US, it's "registered dietitian" because those are the people with relevant college degrees and professional codes of conduct. In the US, "nutritionists" can be any bozo, with zero education or credentials, in some states. (Some states do have standards/licensing, but you still want an RD who may also have nutritionist licensing, in those states. RD is the important part.) In other countries, you want a person with post-secondary degrees in a subject like human nutrition, and if available credentials from a professional certification organization and licensing.
To gain 10 pounds of fat in a month, you'd need to eat around 35000 calories above weight-maintenance calories, or on average 1166 excess calories daily. If that happened while eating 1350 calories, it would imply maintenance calories of approximately 184 calories per day. Honestly, that isn't plausible, and it isn't consistent with your having stabilized weight on 500-700 calories. The arithmetic is always approximate when it comes to calories, but that isn't even close.
A sedentary, 80-year-old woman who weighed 80 pounds and was 4'7" tall would be expected to need about 1000 calories daily to maintain her weight. You're younger, taller, heavier, probably more active, but saying you're weight stable on more like half those calories.
Something very unusual is going on. I think you're going to need professional help to sort it out. I'd recommend starting with the professionals mentioned above. I'd like to be able to help you, but I can't. I'm sorry.
I wish you the best in finding a solution, sincerely.
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I second seeking help from a dietician. Look for one who is very familiar with MFP.
My original dietician is the one who told me to use MFP.
I did a dietician visit, with her replacement, for the first time in several years about a month ago. The new one was so familiar with NFP, she asked me for my phone, scrolled back in my diary a few days, looked at 7-day averages, trends, and immediately made several suggestions.
Dietician time is precious. If you can find a dietician who shares the same platform, whichever one you end up on, they have a huge head start in providing sound advice.
I’ve been to two gyms that provided dietician services at a discount, and my health insuror offers free phone counseling with staff dieticians, too.
So look outside the expected insurance box for service that might be discounted or free.
Time is precious, so have a list of questions prepared in advance and be prepared to take notes to take as much advantage as you can of that 30 or 60 minutes.
My husband happened to sit in on that last one because he’d just wrapped up a workout, didn’t want to set in the lobby, and was curious anyway.
I was surprised he chimed in with questions of his own “I’ve seen her to this or that, is that ok? Can she improve? Should she cut out this and so?” I was actually grateful for his input. I got a lot more out of the visit than I’d expected because of it.2 -
teardropterry wrote: »no one has mentioned the type of calories that you’re eating. The only way I was able to lose weight after many years was lifting weights and eating more protein. I ate more calories than I’ve ever eaten in my life and lost 26 pounds. I think it’s because of the muscle I have gained.
Think about the numbers in the OP. In general, protein and lifting is great advice, but I'm pretty sure the situation described in the post is beyond that.
Gaining muscle is a great thing, but a pound of muscle is estimated to burn only about 4 calories more per day at rest than a pound of fat (which is also metabolically active). I strongly suspect that when we have more muscle rather than more fat, we automatically move more, because moving becomes easier and more fun. We can potentially burn more calories that way, possibly hundreds more daily.
I have more muscle mass than average for my demographic, but a higher calorie requirement than average . . . kind of the same idea you're talking about. Therefore, I definitely agree with the general "protein and lifting" recommendation as valuable for many women, especially aging women. I've given that advice many times, even though I don't much lift myself. It's good advice. It would even be a good thing for the OP to do, while pursuing professional advice.
Unfortunately, I don't think that's the core issue for the person who started this thread, even though it can be a key issue for many women.0
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