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How to try to eat healthy?

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  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 1,831 Member
    edited February 23
    May I suggest reframing the negatives as positives? It’s all perspective.

    Cruises don’t have to be about choosing to overeat, over drink - it can be about choosing healthy options. There are wellness cruises and fitness cruises… I personally love them. The food is also much higher quality.

    Even Princess cruises have “holistic holidays” at sea. Virgin Voyages has wellness at sea.. there are tons! I usually come back feeling and looking better then I started personally.

    On any cruise- you have a chef on board and you get to be the chief about making decisions. Instead of cake can you have fruit? Swap things out for a healthier choice.

    In most cruises: there is a pool typically for swimming, a spa, a gym, -/ use it as a 7 day health retreat rather than a smorgasbord.

    Instead of a booze cruise, choose one that’s more health minded and get the whole family in the act. Last one I went in had morning yoga on the deck.. use that to meditate instead of chemically blowing of steam.

    Get a room with a patio and enjoy the peaceful bliss of the ocean air and solitude.

    Being healthy doesn’t have to be just sitting home.. can you go for walks with headphones in to have some peace? Even if you start at 1 block… it’s a start.

    You can still dine out, go out for entertainment etc.. just make some healthy swaps.

    Instead of seeing only No’s / what are the yes’s ? What is in your control?

    What are the blessings in disguise?

    It’s getting warmer out… how about going on drives? National preserves ? It’s all about the view.

    Instead of seeing limitations, what blessings can you embrace and honor? Get the family Involved for a healthier lifestyle all around. Let the kids know there are healthier attitudes and options out there and the world is your oyster.
  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member
    I guess those are the things I don’t see. For example I have zero feelings on wellness and myself. I do not see exercise as something to do or want to do at this point as it’s a chore and painful.

    Example going for a walk at a park does nothing for me as entertainment and it never has. Not saying it’s not good for exercise but it’s a chore and not entertainment in my kind.

    The cruise thing was more for the next 2 years that if I have the surgery I won’t be able to eat. So that would be a waste of money. Not sure a cruise can make me puréed foods for all my meals and the cost of a cruise would be wasted on not enjoying what they offer.

    The surgery is a drastic change and full restrictions. This i do not know how to deal with.
  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 4,295 Member
    edited February 23
    Personal opinion only. Not trying to push my thoughts on you.
    If you think you can follow the post-surgery diet for the rest of your life, why can't you do it without the surgery for a few months to get a big head start, then rethink whether you want to do the surgery or not? I understand they don't usually schedule the surgery immediately. If it's going to take a few months, you have the time.
    My own personal experience with cruises. I've taken about 5. Lost weight every time. I loved the meals! But I can get pizza and greasy burgers and fries and chocolate cake at home. I can't get fish, exotic fruits cut in beautiful shapes, veggies prepared in a way I've never tried, all by professional chefs. If I'm not sure, I take a small amount, and if I don't like it, I don't eat it. There's so very much I do like, I'm not about to waste one iota of space in my tummy for something I don't like.
    Before I went to bed each night, I laid out clothes easy to slip on quickly and quietly and go. If I woke up before my roommate, I would go to the gym cause it's really the only thing open. I'm the farthest thing from a gym rat, so I would find an unpopular looking machine in the corner and pretend. Got more exercise walking to the gym than I did after I got there. But I usually found some friendly soul to talk to who was probably there for a reason similar to mine.
    Don't like the park, don't go! What do you like? Golf or bowling? Nintendo? (Am I showing my age and ignorance? I know nothing about those things. Don't care.) Tv? Movies? Do that. If it's something like TV, get some bands or light weights and play with them while watching. Get up during commercials and walk around your chair.
    Walking is a good antidepressant. Getting outside is a good antidepressant. Maybe step outside during commercials.
    Just a thought--possibility. I don't like to exercise. I was lucky enough to find a place where all the middle aged ladies met to gossip and share. Exercise was secondary. Most exercise I ever got in my life. I went every day. Looked forward eagerly to it. What can you find?

    In other words, change your attitude. Open your mind to possibilities you can live with. Try things. If something doesn't work for you, try something else.
  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 1,831 Member
    Yes, most cruise lines can prepare pureed foods for you if you notify them in advance that you require a special diet with pureed meals; simply contact the cruise line's special needs department to make the request and discuss your dietary needs.
    —-signed a traveler that requests very specific food choices. 😉

    There are also forums with travelers who have gastric sleeves, etc who travel frequently. Perhaps those support groups will help.

    Good luck! No matter which route you take, living miserably isn’t an option. I hope it gets better for you.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,113 Member
    @rl2010 it sounds like you’re a boredom eater.

    I found that forcing myself to get up and simply walk became less of a “force” each time I didn’t, until I looked forwarded to and finally craved my walks and other movement.

    Again, the choice is yours. Sit back, be bored, take the injections but change nothing else, and waste away.

    Is this what young you would have wanted older you to look forward to? Try an active cruise or vacation. One that requires even moderate walking to enjoy sights. You’ll get out of your comfort zone and see new things, instead of just another dinner plate.
  • avatiach
    avatiach Posts: 361 Member
    You might start by thinking what could substitute for alcohol. For “blowing off steam.” Playing games? Meditating? Walking even a short distance? Drinking a seltzer with lemon or lime?
  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member
    Could be but that has been our entertainment lately. We rarely eat home meals as I have lost the taste for it. Never comes out good. Used to love cooking/smoking on the BBQ, now I want to just give it away.

    These are all things that will change. Just going through the thoughts of what lies ahead. After sitting in traffic for 1.5 hours to get home I need an escape. So we typically jump in the car to a restaurant or order takeout.

    Just in a bad space and I know the 130 lbs extra I am carrying can’t be good but Got a few more Dr appointments to see if even weight loss will affect my health enough at this point.

    Surgery equals strict eating for a long time but may or may not workout.

    Shots equals better eating for a long time and on for life that may work out for a little weight loss.

    Eating low calorie and weighing/counting nutrients/calories. I am not sure I could sustain that.

    Back to low carb will result in weight loss but will come back once introducing carbs again. I am going to try this for now to see if anything improves while I wait a ridiculous amount to time to get the dr appointment.

    Exercise is the farthest from my mind as walking up 5 stairs or even getting dressed as me out of breath.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 35,532 Member
    edited February 24
    rl2010 wrote: »
    Could be but that has been our entertainment lately. We rarely eat home meals as I have lost the taste for it. Never comes out good. Used to love cooking/smoking on the BBQ, now I want to just give it away.

    These are all things that will change. Just going through the thoughts of what lies ahead. After sitting in traffic for 1.5 hours to get home I need an escape. So we typically jump in the car to a restaurant or order takeout.

    Healthy and reasonable-calorie restaurant or take-out options exist, though I admit it can take a little effort to identify them. One thing I've done over time is look at restaurant menus near me at home ahead of time, and find those options. Now I know where to go, and what to order, if I'm in a time crunch or short on energy. I also thought through some at-home options I could eat with little prep or effort, and keep the needed ingredients in the pantry/freezer. They aren't necessarily glorious gourmet fare, but they're not misery, either. They're things I enjoy eating well enough to rely on them when short on time/energy, too.
    Just in a bad space and I know the 130 lbs extra I am carrying can’t be good but Got a few more Dr appointments to see if even weight loss will affect my health enough at this point.

    I'd bet it will affect your health positively, because it has done that for so very many people here, including people who started with amounts of excess weight like where you find yourself. Further, those benefits usually start to kick in part way through weight loss, rather than having to wait all the way to goal weight. On top of that, the typical experience is that there are big quality of life improvements beyond the health improvements, and those start kicking in along the way, too. I strongly doubt that you're a special case where those good things wouldn't happen.
    Surgery equals strict eating for a long time but may or may not workout.

    Shots equals better eating for a long time and on for life that may work out for a little weight loss.

    Eating low calorie and weighing/counting nutrients/calories. I am not sure I could sustain that.

    Here's the thing: Any of those three options involves eating fewer calories than you have been. If you want the end result - with what IME are huge benefits that come from that - then you will need to change your habits. That's required.

    Loosely speaking, surgery reduces the size of your stomach, so potentially reduces appetite and certainly puts in you a place where overeating would have very negative consequences, for at least a long recovery period.

    Loosely speaking, the drugs reduce appetite, are reported to reduce "food noise" or psychological focus on or obsession with food and eating. That may help you eat fewer calories more easily, but eating fewer calories is still what causes weight loss.

    If you want to keep the weight off, you have to eat fewer calories, whether you count them or not. The surgery or the drugs may make it less essential to count the calories, but even without doing either of those things, calorie counting isn't essential. Eating fewer calories is. When I was a young adult, it wasn't practical to count calories. There weren't apps for that. (Yeah, I'm that old.) People lost weight anyway. They ate less, in calorie terms.

    I'm not trying to suggest which option you should do, I'm just pointing out that the bottom line is always the same: Changing habits. The different methods may make it temporarily or permanently easier, temporarily or permanently less pleasant, but it's going to require changing habits no matter what.

    Back to low carb will result in weight loss but will come back once introducing carbs again. I am going to try this for now to see if anything improves while I wait a ridiculous amount to time to get the dr appointment.

    Exercise is the farthest from my mind as walking up 5 stairs or even getting dressed as me out of breath.

    Consider something like standing up every half hour or so when watching TV or whatever you do when you sit, and marching in place until it starts to feel a very tiny little bit challenging. If that's 5 steps, that's fine. Repeat. In a week or so, make it 6 steps. And so on. Surprising things can happen from persistent, gradual effort.

    I understand why you would be thinking about the challenges ahead, sincerely. But as others have said, keeping your thoughts there is not helping you. That's more of a "why I can't" focus. Yes, change is hard, maybe even scary. But there are rewards. What small things can you change, things that are a small step in a positive direction? Can you focus there, at least part of the time? That's more of a "find my path to a better future" focus. It's worth the effort, IME, even though it's hard.

    Best wishes!
  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member

    I have sleep apnea and have the machine for 20 years.

    I have started keto to see if it helps while I want 3 months for the weight management doctor.

    I am not saying this is good but I still can’t envision what we would do besides sitting in the couch staring at the ceiling if we did not go out to what we do today. I am not into hiking or walking around. In the evening what is there to do? Just trying to see what enjoyment there would be. If starving myself and finding someone to cook a 2000 calories meal plan as most things I make taste like crap(hence why we go out). What is the goal. Just to struggle with no enjoyment but a couch? Sure no more vacations and dining out if I am underground. But right now there are no vacations as I can’t walk or breath well anymore. So the couch it is. That sounds like a great future. I have to change yes. But besides bland chicken breasts/salmon and salad (zero enjoyment) and now not even leaving the house. What is there to do?

  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member

    if I could. For walking around the neighborhood, the neighborhood has gone down hill. Making me more upset living here. So no enjoyment there. Family does not want to move so more stuck in the rut.

    This is all on me and no one else. I don’t how I got this way and thinking the way I do. I just can’t find something to get me to change permanently.

  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member

    let me share some foods I eat.

    Dining out


    chicken or veal or shrimp parm and pasta. (Breaded chicken where the flavors are in the breading/sauce and cheese)

    Buffalo wings


    steak when out as the super markets only sell choice meat that does not taste well home


    Cheeseburgers with the buns. Fries on occasion

    Mexican dishes (enchiladas, burritos). Never the same home.

    I like seafood. No one else here will eat it. Why I get it out in restaurants. I made salmon the other night. Not good


    home meals

    Pasta, occasional hamburger, chicken dishes rarely as I don’t like cardboard, sausage/peppers, ribs in the summer on the smoker,

  • TracyL963
    TracyL963 Posts: 124 Member
    edited March 7

    Walking pads are very quiet. Most aren't going to make you turn up the volume on the T.V. You can start on a slow speed. Then walk 10 minutes for every hour of T.V. Build from there.

    If the impact is too much, look into rebounding. They are mini trampolines that you can walk on. Quality will matter here. Years ago I bought a Gold's Gym model ($50) and it was way too stiff, not low impact at all. I like my Jump Sport. Work from walking in place, to bouncing, to jogging. Yes, it's going to take some time.

    Change is hard, but so is being overweight.

  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 4,295 Member

    Sausage/peppers, ribs are good in winter,too. Grill on occasional nice days in winter. Get a small inside grill. Good for you!

    You say you like sauces when you eat out. Have you asked people here for some good low-cal sauces? I can't help—not a saucy gal.

  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member

    when I cook at home it never comes out good. Another reason we go out or takeout all the time. I have tried and can not make chicken taste edible. Pasta is about the only thing as it’s hard to mess that up.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,477 Member

    Becoming more competent at cooking requires a thought process that requires understanding, planning, practice and reflection. Basically it's the pathway forward for everything we do in life and it's possible this is too much of an ask from you about your cooking, and from what you've said so far I believe your in for a bumpy ride, but do wish you good luck.😊

  • Corina1143
    Corina1143 Posts: 4,295 Member
    edited March 8

    Another thought for entertainment. Cooking classes? Here they have one for kids at the community center. Maybe decorated cookies? They have them at the local vo-tech for adults. This semester, bread and some Greek casserole? Look around.

  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 1,831 Member
    edited March 8

    re: what else is there to do besides dine out or drink- @rl2010

    Things to do in house: Read, take an online course, do home improvement projects, do family oriented projects? Have a game night? have recreational sex with partner? be creative.

    Either learn how to cook or get a meal delivery service.
    if you enjoy seafood and your family does not, then you eat it and enjoy.

    Is your family also obese? Do they have any desire to help you as their loved one? If you feel like you are stuck.. make a change today. Right now. Be the alpha male and change *kitten*.

    It sounds like you are thinking of what you can’t have and can’t do. You can still have steak.. just less of it. Start with portion control.

    ps - join one of the challenges here and get going. Tonight. Start doing something everyday for your health. Think about your kids. I buried 2 parents before their time- it sucks.

    here: do this challenge or any other challenge : https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/147719-march-ultimate-accountability-challenge

    be around people who are making a change. But start now.

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,597 Member

    If you cannot, on your own, both make and implement the decision to pull out of this and see what the changes you implement evolve to, then spend some of your eat out money to talk to a professional counselor

    A lot of what you mention crossed my mind when I was starting out.

    I was spending my time going from bed to computer to car to drive through to couch to bed. With a "happy" enough life. But with the realisation that I was looking at no different between then and retirement and continuing the same after retirement, if I even made it there.

    I decided that THAT was not good enough. Which was probably wise given what I now know about my health.

    If you're willingly changing things then nothing is a sacred cow. You are remaking yourself and re evaluating everything... so that you will end up with a life setup that will either promote or, at the very least,.will not hinder you maintaining your new lower weight.

    You don't need to know today how things will evolve. But you will either decide to seek change or you will resist it.

    You're resisting change and mourning your status quo right now. Which is understandable. But not helpful.

    A diet to lose weight against your will has a predictable outcome. A life change you seek to explore and enjoy? Not a closing of a chapter but an opening of new things to explore? There's a chance there!

    (No sacred cows means no sacred cows: food, entertainment, friends, work, house: not all at once. But nothing off limits to discuss and modify..some will work out and some will not)

    So here's your cheap pop psychology question: why don't you care enough about yourself to want to change? Selfish self preservation is sometimes a good thing!

    If you can't pull out of this dive on your own before you hit the ground, pls consider getting some help from a real life professional person.

    It is hard enough to manage weight when you want to… getting dragged into weight management kicking and screaming without a complete buy in is 🤷‍♂️

    As of four days ago I now officially (in person) knew one mid 40's gentleman who directly died because of his obesity.

    While eating dinner his eyes rolled and he made chocking sounds and fell to the floor. His recent regain of about 100lbs is thought to have contributed. Nobody present was able to maneuver him or perform meaningful CPR. Obituary is not up yet because no will/executor and nobody willing to engage a funeral home so far.

  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member

    thanks for the feedback. Trying to replace bad habits with better is what I think I need to do.example made dinner gone. Defrosted a piece of salmon for 2 days, patted it dry, sal, pepper and fresh dill weed. Got a frying pan with some canola oil to med-high temp, added the salmon for a few minutes build Colt started changing, added lemon slices on top and put a lid on the pan for 5 more minutes and lowered the heat. While it looked good. It had no flavor. This is what I deal with when we eat at home and want to go out instead. I get discouraged as if this is what I am supposed to enjoy it will never work.

  • rl2010
    rl2010 Posts: 32 Member
    edited March 9

    also, as since I have zero stamina due to breathing issues, exercise and even walking puts me out of breath. To force myself to walk more is not enjoyable. Therefore more discouragement. Maybe if I lost 90lbs I could exercise without being out of breath or back pains so much.

    Sleep apnea, fatty liver disease, 130lbs over weight, and now some pulmonary fibrosis, raised cholesterol, high triglycerides,


    yes most caused by my stupid way of living being an obese idiot that will not correct it.

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,477 Member

    If there was ever a person that has all the hallmarks for someone who should try a carnivore diet, your it. imo.

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,597 Member
    edited March 9

    Has anyone figured out how to edit inside quotes yet? The quoted passage pops in the post but I couldn't find a way to edit sections of it 🤷‍♂️

    @neanderthin how do you reconcile your advice: "if there was ever a person… who should try a carnivore diet, you're it. imo"

    with the OP's statement which says "while it looked good it had no flavor. This is what I deal with when we eat at home (which is why I) want to go out instead. I get discouraged (and) if this is what I am supposed to enjoy (then) it will never work."

    How does eating carnivore address the issue(s) they raise?

  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,477 Member
    edited March 9

    @PAV8888

    Yeah, your right, it can't be reconciled based on the evidence as it's laid out and suspect it won't be taken very seriously simply because the carnivore diet is right out there in left field as an intervention.

    My statement is based on my experience listening to persons that adapted the carnivore diet, which to date is around 120 people. They all, pretty much without exception tell how it literally transformed their lives and in many cases saved their lives and also based on what I know personally from my life changing experience with keto and also having a decent understanding of some of the hard science related to nutrition.

    They all again, almost without exception started by saying that they thought the whole idea of carnivore was completely ridiculous and would never ever try consuming just meat. These same people that actually did eventually come back to give it a try tell how it took them months to a few years to actually come back and take it more seriously and they did that because they literally were experiencing a life and lifestyle that was actually killing them and basically had a hard time just getting out of bed and some actually couldn't.

    When someone (OP) is that cocooned and living in a world of UPF's and fast foods where any whole food doesn't taste good that is in a seriously dark place, health wise.

    I believe the litmus test should be, a charbroiled med rare ribeye, and if a person can turn that down, the world is coming to an end. 😂

    Also, I can't get the quote thing to work properly either as well as the main page where it shows the last comment in many categories are from May in 2024 and when I go to that category that comment isn't even there, very strange.

  • avatiach
    avatiach Posts: 361 Member

    Who says you have to really enjoy the food you are eating? If you don’t really enjoy it you will probably just eat less of it.

    I will say, again, I think if you cut out alcohol you would be cutting out quite a few calories every week.

  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 10,182 Member

    Get yourself a cookbook. Not one of the American classics, because the food tends to be rather bland. Find yourself a book that teaches you how to use spices. Yeah, salmon with dill and salt can be bland. It can also be rather tasty if you make it miso glaced or with a bit of teriyaki. Or with a barbecue sauce, or lots of other things. Also, you're probably used to hyperpalatable food because that's what you mostly seem to be eating. If you prepare your own food more often you will get used to eating it, and suddenly you might notice that salmon has actually a quite strong taste.

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,113 Member
    edited March 9

    two observations.

    Your salmon looks lovely and flavorful, and beautifully plated. Any chance you’ve had covid or other heath complications, medications, etc that could precipitate loss of taste?


    Second, and I don’t mean this negatively or hurtfully, you sound as if you might be suffering from depression. In fact, you sound a lot like I did before my own large loss. Trapped, drowning, unmotivated, and I utterly agree with the phrase “mourning the loss of my (then current) lifestyle”.

    I sought help once, with a therapist, who was so goggle eyed at my account of extended family issues I unloaded (my family was tailor made for Springer), I was frankly embarrassed and didn’t go back. But I will say, unloading those issues verbally, seeing his very visible reaction, helped me a great deal towards realizing it wasn’t me that was crazy, it was the circumstances surrounding me making me feel that way.


    After that one session, I resolved to change things, and eliminate some unsolvable family problems - I hadn’t brought them on so why should I feel responsible?- out of my life.

    That freed me up to start focusing on myself for a change.

    You don’t have to get meds or commit to extensive therapy. For me, that one session with a third party, uninvolved listener was enough. I got nowhere dumping on extended family, obvs, since they were the problem. I had no friends to dump on because family had sucked all of me into their vacuum of craziness.

    I’m getting similar vibes from you.

    I wish I could show you how it is on the other side, when things are no longer drowning in nothingness.

  • SafariGalNYC
    SafariGalNYC Posts: 1,831 Member
    edited March 9

    @rl2010 a beautiful plate! Fresh dill and lemon! 🍋
    when you say this has no taste - you seem to be used to hyper palatable, processed (low quality?) restaurant takeout/food with a ton of salt and oil, preservatives, etc etc , - give yourself a moment to savor the fresh dill, savor the lemon.. savor the fish. Quality over quantity.

    A beautiful piece of fish, and you are like wah, life is horrible… I have to sustain myself on this fish I can afford, that I have a home to cook it in-

    super first world crying dude.

    Try mindful eating.

    Ps- Yay for a healthy moment for you!

    pps. Stop complaining and count your blessings. You aren’t in Auschwitz. You aren’t dodging bullets in a war torn region, you are crying about missing chicken parm.

    For *kitten* sake.

  • yakkystuff
    yakkystuff Posts: 136 Member
    edited March 9

    Have read through, and... there comes a point where we choose to change, or not… despite a bad case of dislikes and i don't wannas...

    It is about us, for us... no one can make us stop drinking, smoking, overeating or spitting in the street. It is something we choose or not.

    And, choose many times, every time we choose to smoke or not, take a drink or not, eat food prepared in healthful better ways or not... after we eat that meal, we get to eat another meal again later...

    I would rather spend my time on vacation and at parties... too bad, so sad, i have to go to work...

    I think the last thing is... if you really want ideas to try, ask... people are happy to share their strategies... Seems to be some people here who have tackled losing over 100 pounds and kept it off... what you are contemplating doing.

    Can't imagine it was 'easy' for anyone and they changed the foods and quantity and exercise actions in their lives.

    Or not. It's pretty simple. Start doing, or not.