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elisa123gal
elisa123gal Posts: 4,394 Member

Do any of you have thoughts, feedback or experience with this?

..After years of reading about health, diet, and fitness; I have to say I was surprised by this one.

My husband who has been on a weight loss journey came home from his appointment with his dietician yesterday and told me he has lost nine pounds of fat and GAINED 3 LBS of muscle in the past few months. They weigh him on some device that has tracked all of this since the beginning.

I was happy to learn this. I had zero idea a person could gain muscle without resistance training and gain muscle while losing weight! I've always read that muscle gain was impossible while losing weight.. and that to build muscle one had to eat protein AND lift weights.

He is living proof, as he doesn't do a bit of exercise, but has become more active since losing 60 pounds.

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  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 2,029 Member

    You do have to lift weights. Think what's more likely... that's he's a biological miracle capable of the biologically impossible... or that the machine was inaccurate. There is no machine, by the way, that can truly accurately show fat and muscle percentages, though DEXA can come close. You can also mess up dexa results just by drinking water... so.... hate to be the bearer of bad news, but he most likely didn't.

  • age_is_just_a_number
    age_is_just_a_number Posts: 1,044 Member

    I think it is is in your last statement "has become more active since losing 60 pounds". If he is more active, then he is using his muscles more than he used to.

    It is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. I read an article about this a few years ago on Legion Athletics site, but I can't find it right now. If I recall correctly, it is considerably more difficult to build muscle than it is to lose fat. Like you, I'm surprised there would be muscle gain without resistance training, but perhaps he's doing a sufficient amount more than he used to to gain some muscle.

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 36,996 Member

    A lot hangs on what type of device they used. Some medical offices are using bioelectrical impedance devices, functionally similar to the bioelectrical impedance analysis (BIA) scales people have at home. They have a fairly wide error range, and can be distorted by things like hydration levels. Any body composition test has an error range, but different methods have different probable accuracy.

    Muscle gain isn't impossible during weight loss, but it's much less likely during loss, much less likely when older, etc. If/when it happens during weight loss, it would be slow. Loosely, we'd expect that the faster the fat loss, the less likely muscle gain, and the slower any muscle mass gain that does happen.

    Three pounds muscle gain in a few months? Maybe. How many months? Depending on the number of months, 9 pounds of fat loss could be fast loss (if 2 months) or slow loss (if more like 6 months).

    Weight lifting or other obvious resistance training isn't the only way to gain muscle. Any progressively strength-challenging exercise can cause muscle gain, but resistance training generally and weight lifting specifically are going to be faster and more efficient ways to trigger it. I gained muscle rowing, but it was very slow to happen, happened at constant body weight, and I don't have an estimate of how many pounds of muscle were added.

  • sollyn23l2
    sollyn23l2 Posts: 2,029 Member

    At the end of the day, he's making improvements to his health. Big ones. And that's what matters!

  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 15,351 Member

    +1 for home happiness.

    +1 for definition of muscle and machine inaccuracy.

    Example issue:
    Is muscle +3 % meaning that:
    The absolute value of something called "muscle" went from 100lbs to 103lbs.

    Or is muscle +3% meaning the percentage of what is defined as muscle mass used to be, say, 65% and it is now say, 68%?

    And in that subtext what is that muscle percentage coming from? Is it just non fat mass as a percentage of total weight? Is it non fat mass and non skeletal mass out of total weight? Is it non fat mass and non skeletal mass and not water mass out of total weight? Is it some % of something out of total weight minus some other things? What is it?

    Not to mention: machine… inaccurate…

    And the games go on! :-)

    By the way any which way you look it: if the dude is making progress, getting to be more active, and he is feeling good about it… WAY TO GO DUDE!

  • springlering62
    springlering62 Posts: 9,730 Member
    edited June 26

    thinking math-ly, if his weight has gone down so considerably, even if muscle mass remained same (assuming acccurate device) that would mean muscle % would have gone up in correlation, right?

    I start at 240 with 20lbs muscle (pulling these numbers out of my hind end btw). That’s .0833 % muscle mass.

    I lose 60 pounds, remaining at the same 20 lbs muscle. Current weight 180. My current muscle mass is .11.

    I haven’t added any muscle, but now muscle is a larger % of my whole?


    it’s awesome he’s lost 60. Congratulate him, and encourage him to move more. It’ll certainly be easier now!

  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 36,996 Member
    edited June 26

    There's no question that your husband has made gains, @elisa123gal: The only question is what combination those gains are of fat loss, health improvement, muscle increase, fitness improvement, self actualization, goal achievement.

    Does it even matter? It's all great stuff!

    Kudos to him.

  • Retroguy2000
    Retroguy2000 Posts: 2,087 Member

    Like everyone else, I'm a little dubious about the measurement device accuracy. This is a common issue, not specific to your husband.

    Down six pounds in "past few months" suggests a minor calorie deficit. Say that's three months, that's an average deficit of 230 per day. A deficit under about 500 is beneficial to retaining muscle mass while also doing frequent lifting and maintaining high protein (1g per pound lean body mass, or close to 1g per pound bw unless you're obese). A beginner can also make rapid muscle gains from lifting. It is possible to gain muscle in a small deficit, especially as a beginner lifter. Without lifting at all? I'm skeptical. Maybe he has been active enough that most of the weight lost is fat, plus maybe some machine error skews the results. Either way, it sounds like he's on the right track. I would definitely encourage lifting.

  • tulips_and_tea
    tulips_and_tea Posts: 5,791 Member

    Is this the first time he's had this measurement done? Do you know how often the dietician will do this same assessment? Because the pattern of results may be interesting. Yes, water and other things can skew the reading but may be more helpful if this is done regularly and then you and he can compare the results.

    Otherwise, like everyone else has said, he's making great progress, so just keep it up!