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  • Iamfit4life
    Iamfit4life Posts: 3,095 Member
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    You weren't wrong.
  • BeautyisBeingU
    BeautyisBeingU Posts: 88 Member
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    yes, not because of anything you did or said. But because you work for an HOA. ;)

    LOL
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
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    I know it isn't Christ's date of birth. I know more than the average bear about how it came to be on that date, but that part is not at issue. Christmas has become more and more secular.

    But I find it very puzzling that some from the secular crowd are finding it offensive that religion is (STILL!) a part of this religious celebration.


    I'm very live-and-let-live, and an important part of who I want to be is someone who is respectful of that which others hold sacred. Evicting Jesus from Christmas doesn't seem respectful towards those who hold it sacred.

    I understand your point, but having a non-religious children's party isn't "evicting Jesus from Christmas". I have been to lots of Christmas parties and none of them had a "Happy Birthday Jesus" cake.

    I've also never seen a Happy Birthday Jesus cake. If we are having a non-religious childrens party, super duper! A cake about Jesus would not be appropriate, for sure.

    The point I'm making is I find it very weird when people still wish to call it "Christmas," then go out of their way to make sure there are NO religious references in the hoopla. That seems very weird to me. The comparison I make is the 4th of July. If I went around telling people that all the American flags are offensive because the holiday is about FIREWORKS! That would be similarly bizarre, to my way of thinking.

    I know. I see your point. Maybe I'm biased because when I was a child, my dad's company always put on a Christmas party for the children of employees, and there was never anything religious about it, so a secular party for what is a huge religious holiday seems somehow normal to me.

    Like I said, I do see what you're saying. If there is no Christ then it isn't really a Christmas party. It's a holiday party.
  • BeautyisBeingU
    BeautyisBeingU Posts: 88 Member
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    As its spokesperson, I would always fall back on whatever the group's official policy is. Do you have one on this particular issue?

    If not, then she could have called it a Christmas party, right? And she could have used any cake she wanted. She would then have had to deal with the consequences (i.e. the parents' reactions.) Then it would have been her problem. Sounds like she was looking to cause a fuss. Why would anyone even ask about a cake?

    You brought this argument on yourself if there are no written guidelines in your Condo's CCRs or bylaws. You can now address this at the next meeting.

    I wish it was the simple but when dealing condo association one bad move can have an owner try to recall the board to be removed.
  • livnlite
    livnlite Posts: 520
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.

    Would it be fitting to disallow an Easter Egg hunt for the kiddies at Easter because Easter is a Christian based holiday?

    I'm thinking, if the masses want to remove all suggestive iconic reprsentations of Christmas or or even Easter .. they should rename those holidays with something like .. "Jumpintodebt2buypresents" Day or "Eattoomanychocolateeggsandspew" Day.
  • Tiggerrick
    Tiggerrick Posts: 1,078 Member
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    I've also never seen a Happy Birthday Jesus cake. If we are having a non-religious childrens party, super duper! A cake about Jesus would not be appropriate, for sure.

    The point I'm making is I find it very weird when people still wish to call it "Christmas," then go out of their way to make sure there are NO religious references in the hoopla. That seems very weird to me. The comparison I make is the 4th of July. If I went around telling people that all the American flags are offensive because the holiday is about FIREWORKS! That would be similarly bizarre, to my way of thinking.
    The word Christmas originated as a compound meaning "Christ's Mass".
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.

    PRESENTS!
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.
    PRESENTS!
    WARM FUZZIES!
  • Contrarian
    Contrarian Posts: 8,138 Member
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.
    PRESENTS!
    WARM FUZZIES!

    SANTA!
  • LuckyLeprechaun
    LuckyLeprechaun Posts: 6,296 Member
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    I've also never seen a Happy Birthday Jesus cake. If we are having a non-religious childrens party, super duper! A cake about Jesus would not be appropriate, for sure.

    The point I'm making is I find it very weird when people still wish to call it "Christmas," then go out of their way to make sure there are NO religious references in the hoopla. That seems very weird to me. The comparison I make is the 4th of July. If I went around telling people that all the American flags are offensive because the holiday is about FIREWORKS! That would be similarly bizarre, to my way of thinking.
    The word Christmas originated as a compound meaning "Christ's Mass".
    precisely!

    Merry Christmas, everybody, and Happy Solstice too :)
  • newmommy2cash
    newmommy2cash Posts: 118
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    You were absolutely not wrong. Clearly she had more of an ulterior motive than it being about the children.
  • HeelsAndBoxingGloves
    HeelsAndBoxingGloves Posts: 916 Member
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.

    Would it be fitting to disallow an Easter Egg hunt for the kiddies at Easter because Easter is a Christian based holiday?

    I'm thinking, if the masses want to remove all suggestive iconic reprsentations of Christmas or or even Easter .. they should rename those holidays with something like .. "Jumpintodebt2buypresents" Day or "Eattoomanychocolateeggsandspew" Day.

    I love the new names you came up with!!! :laugh:
  • cobracars
    cobracars Posts: 949 Member
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    I suggest at least a two hour party..

    Draw straws to select which order the different styles will be represented, so no one cries "how come they were first?" etc.

    The evening could go like this...and everyone would be enriched somehow..

    7:00 - 7:30 - Hannukah

    7:30 - 8:00 - Kwanza

    8:00 - 8:30 - Christmas

    8:30 - 9:00 - Festivus....for the rest of us! :drinker:


    Or chuck it all and just call it ChristmaKwanzukah :bigsmile:
  • sunkisses
    sunkisses Posts: 2,365 Member
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    I think every point that could possibly be made about why you were not wrong has been made. I agree with many of them.

    Christmas trees = Pagan *confetti*
    Can we discuss Easter now? :tongue:
  • PlanetVelma
    PlanetVelma Posts: 1,231 Member
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    It sounds like this lady wanted to have a "Mass Conversion" party. lol

    Seriously though, I've NEVER seen a "Happy Birthday Jesus" cake, ever. And I went to every church in the town I grew up in (My dad was one of those parents who let you figure out religion on your own - long story on that).

    In any event, a holiday party for tenants is a nice idea so people can network, socialize, kids can make new friends, etc.... It could be a nice potluck/recipe exchange opportunity, maybe have some games for the kids - but you've mentioned several times that there is a large diverse group of people - you did the right thing by suggesting to simple and leave the religious aspect out of it.

    I don't push my beliefs on anyone. I would be livid if I attended a party and someone was trying to shove their beliefs down my throat.

    As for the crying, my sister does that nonsense when she doesn't get her way. It's a manipulation tactic that some people use when they don't get their way. Boof*ckinhoo, go cry to someone who cares! LOL
  • SarabellPlus3
    SarabellPlus3 Posts: 496 Member
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    I understand the politically correctness about religion and politics, and why such a thing exists .. What I can't understand is why there is an argument when it comes to any event related to Christmas. THAT one totally baffles me. Christmas is and has always been about the birth of Christ .. the basis of Christian belief. I am confused as to why so many want to be part of any celebration around 'that time of year' when they refuse any iconic representation of Christendom because it is not their own.

    Someone please explain that to me .. I am baffled.
    Because Christmas has become a cultural event to some, even if it isn't a religious one to them. What I don't get is why it's so bothersome? Why do you care if they call it "Christmas" or "Festivus?" They're not worshiping Christ with it, in that context, and while I DO worship Christ on Christmas, I also celebrate in a CULTURAL way, by doing things like taking my kids to tree lighting ceremonies that have nothing to do with Jesus.

    I mean, I get if that offends you for some reason, but I don't get finding it baffling. How is it confusing? People grew up with it and have great memories of it, and want to do Santa, and take the reason to give gifts to family & friends even if they don't believe in Christ. I still eat latkes even though I'm not Jewish.
  • SarabellPlus3
    SarabellPlus3 Posts: 496 Member
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    Actually, no, let me put it another way-- am I a bad Christian for putting up a Christmas tree? That is a PAGAN tradition, borrowed by Christians. NOW it has become a cultural thing. Is it OK for me to celebrate that cultural thing, even though I'm not the religion that started it?

    If a bunch of Pagans got bent out of shape that I was using their tree tradition, I'd think they were ridiculously oversensitive.
  • CaptainGordo
    CaptainGordo Posts: 4,437 Member
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    Actually, no, let me put it another way-- am I a bad Christian for putting up a Christmas tree? That is a PAGAN tradition, borrowed by Christians. NOW it has become a cultural thing. Is it OK for me to celebrate that cultural thing, even though I'm not the religion that started it?

    If a bunch of Pagans got bent out of shape that I was using their tree tradition, I'd think they were ridiculously oversensitive.
    Spot on.
  • livnlite
    livnlite Posts: 520
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    It sounds like this lady wanted to have a "Mass Conversion" party. lol

    Seriously though, I've NEVER seen a "Happy Birthday Jesus" cake, ever. And I went to every church in the town I grew up in (My dad was one of those parents who let you figure out religion on your own - long story on that).

    In any event, a holiday party for tenants is a nice idea so people can network, socialize, kids can make new friends, etc.... It could be a nice potluck/recipe exchange opportunity, maybe have some games for the kids - but you've mentioned several times that there is a large diverse group of people - you did the right thing by suggesting to simple and leave the religious aspect out of it.

    I don't push my beliefs on anyone. I would be livid if I attended a party and someone was trying to shove their beliefs down my throat.

    As for the crying, my sister does that nonsense when she doesn't get her way. It's a manipulation tactic that some people use when they don't get their way. Boof*ckinhoo, go cry to someone who cares! LOL

    Crying is not always a predermined manipulation tactic .. for some .. yes, it most certainly is .. a learned skill .... just ask the professional .. any 3 or 4 year old.

    In THIS instance, it's hard to judge as to why the waterworks. Could be an emotional outburst due to frustration, who knows? Sounds like this lady had her heart in the right place, but may have found it to be extremely disapointing when she was told it was an inapropriate place. Only God knows...Pun intended.

    I doubt if, even in this case, anything would be shoved down anyones's throat so to speak. I would assume it would have been an open invitation to a Christmas .. repeat CHRISTMAS party. If anyone is so inclined, they are more than welcome to attend, if not .. that is again .. a matter of choice. It wasn't like this event was being planned to 'spring' onto anyone...like an intervention.
  • Cait_Sidhe
    Cait_Sidhe Posts: 3,150 Member
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    To me, a "Happy Birthday Jesus" cake just sounds completely ridiclous and makes me snicker to myself. I think you did the right thing.

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