diet soda

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  • katatak1
    katatak1 Posts: 261 Member
    [What I can say about some of what I've read is this: Mice and rats (who have very similar physiology to humans have shown (most researchers never try to "prove" anything, we just "show")) that being exposed to aspartame increases the insulin response. This can't be chocked up to eating habits because that is very strictly controlled in animal studies.

    And earlier, I think I pointed to some in vivo mouse studies too, noting that they were fed aspartame with chow, to see the effect in the insulin response. Because people may have a diet soda with or without food, I'd like to see the effect on insulin levels when aspartame is consumed with food, without, and at different time points with respect to meals. I think it would be a good follow up study...

    That would be an interesting follow up! I work at a university, so I have access to vast databases of medical research studies. I'm going to look around tomorrow and see if I can find any sources which examine this. I'll message you if I find anything interesting :)
  • ShapeUpSidney
    ShapeUpSidney Posts: 1,092 Member

    That would be an interesting follow up! I work at a university, so I have access to vast databases of medical research studies. I'm going to look around tomorrow and see if I can find any sources which examine this. I'll message you if I find anything interesting :)

    I would really appreciate that!
  • CyberEd312
    CyberEd312 Posts: 3,536 Member
    The artifical sweetner in any diet beverage, still causes insulin spikes thru the roof, which tells your body to store fat until the levels come back down..Insulin levels need to stay low for fat loss, thus the low carb diet.
    A recent "Men's Health" magazine article stated that over 10 yrs of drinking diet soda, your waist size was likely 5 times bigger than someone who does not........ drinks for thought.

    Lol so much inaccurate information here.

    Well I must be the exception to the rule then cause in the beginning had full blown type 2 diabetes with A1C of 9.9, weighed 560 lbs., and had a severely fatty liver among others health problems. And I changed my whole lifestyle except for one thing (my Diet Pepsi) which I still drink on average 3- 24oz. bottles a day (along with 64 oz. of water) and today am now pre-diabetic and have been for 10 months, and my teeth are no worse for wear, and I have lost 283 lbs.
  • ShapeUpSidney
    ShapeUpSidney Posts: 1,092 Member

    Well I must be the exception to the rule then cause in the beginning had full blown type 2 diabetes with A1C of 9.9, weighed 560 lbs., and had a severely fatty liver among others health problems. And I changed my whole lifestyle except for one thing (my Diet Pepsi) which I still drink on average 3- 24oz. bottles a day (along with 64 oz. of water) and today am now pre-diabetic and have been for 10 months, and my teeth are no worse for wear, and I have lost 283 lbs.

    You lost 283 pounds and beat diabetes. I'd say you're an exception to a lot of rules, and should be damn proud of it
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,222 Member

    Well I must be the exception to the rule then cause in the beginning had full blown type 2 diabetes with A1C of 9.9, weighed 560 lbs., and had a severely fatty liver among others health problems. And I changed my whole lifestyle except for one thing (my Diet Pepsi) which I still drink on average 3- 24oz. bottles a day (along with 64 oz. of water) and today am now pre-diabetic and have been for 10 months, and my teeth are no worse for wear, and I have lost 283 lbs.

    You lost 283 pounds and beat diabetes. I'd say you're an exception to a lot of rules, and should be damn proud of it
    Also while drinking a hell of a lot of diet pesi. Very nice Ed, that's amazing.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member

    [What I can say about some of what I've read is this: Mice and rats (who have very similar physiology to humans have shown (most researchers never try to "prove" anything, we just "show")) that being exposed to aspartame increases the insulin response. This can't be chocked up to eating habits because that is very strictly controlled in animal studies.


    Mice and rats have VASTLY different metabolic processes.

    Case in point: DNL is extremely efficient in rodents, but inefficient in humans.

    Human studies, on the other hand, have failed to show a link:

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/12/2184.full

    Pay close attention to this part:
    "In the present study, no significant differences were observed in either plasma glucose or insulin after diet soda versus carbonated water ingestion,"
  • seal57
    seal57 Posts: 1,259 Member
    I drink a bottle of Coke Zero roughly 3 days a week.....That is only 3 bottles..I have it when I'm working or when I have lunch out when I'm not....

    Coke Zero does have calories. 390ml has 1 calorie. 600ml has 2 calories.....

    I used to drink pepsi a lot before I found MFP......That's when I changed to Coke Zero and also cut back............
  • fluteypie
    fluteypie Posts: 42 Member
    After I started drinking less soda (diet, too - I've never been a fan of regular, anyway) I noticed how much slimmer I *felt*. All that carbonation bloats you, and when you really pay attention to your body, you will notice what foods bloat you and make you feel sluggish. I still drink a diet coke or two per week but it's really only a treat anymore, and if I can help it, I choose water or tea instead! :)
  • katatak1
    katatak1 Posts: 261 Member

    [What I can say about some of what I've read is this: Mice and rats (who have very similar physiology to humans have shown (most researchers never try to "prove" anything, we just "show")) that being exposed to aspartame increases the insulin response. This can't be chocked up to eating habits because that is very strictly controlled in animal studies.


    Mice and rats have VASTLY different metabolic processes.

    Case in point: DNL is extremely efficient in rodents, but inefficient in humans.

    Human studies, on the other hand, have failed to show a link:

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/12/2184.full

    Pay close attention to this part:
    "In the present study, no significant differences were observed in either plasma glucose or insulin after diet soda versus carbonated water ingestion,"

    I had not read that study until now. A couple things which are important to note: It's dangerous to draw conclusions from a sample size of 22. This study also makes it's conclusions based on the "statistical significance cutoff" of p=.05. That's evidence of someone who isn't really solid in their understanding of statistics. Instead of an arbitrary line being drawn to say "that's significant, but this isn't," we should really be looking at effect sizes and confidence intervals- espically when you have such a small sample size.

    Now, on to the conclusions made by the study- yes, there were no significant differences in plasma glucose or insulin- but there was in GLP. The other very important thing to note, however, is that there were no carbohydrates in the study. Other studies which include carbohydrates paint a different response- suggesting that carbs, when combined with artificial sweeteners increase glucose and insulin more than carbs alone. That would mean that carbs mediate the effect of fake sugars. So, following that logic, diet sodas would be fine, so long as you don't eat anything while you are drinking them.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    The other very important thing to note, however, is that there were no carbohydrates in the study.

    Did you even bother reading the TITLE of the study? Or don't you realize that glucose is a carbohydrate?

    Please post any HUMAN trials that contradict this study.
  • earlgreygirl09
    earlgreygirl09 Posts: 80
    Anytime I'm craving a soda, I grab some flavored seltzer water---like the kind made by Canada Dry. They have all kind of flavors from Raspberry to Cranberry Lime. There's no calories and no weird artificial sweeteners either! They make it in 2L and can form......I find that little bit of carbonation and subtle flavor does wonders.
  • katatak1
    katatak1 Posts: 261 Member
    Did you even bother reading the TITLE of the study? Or don't you realize that glucose is a carbohydrate?

    Please post any HUMAN trials that contradict this study.

    There is absolutely no need to be snippy or rude. I was working and glanced over it quickly. I saw glucose test, and did not realize there was a glucose load. WHEN YOU TALK LIKE THIS, it makes it very hard for people to take you seriously. We are all supposed to be here to support eachother in a positive way. Sunshine88 and I disagreed on this post, but managed to do so in a civil way.

    As for tightly controlled studies on humans, those are very hard to come by because you can't control a human's diet like you can with a mouse or rat. So experimental studies are a challenge in that regard. Aside from that, here are some sources which do examine humans and diet sodas:

    Dhingra et al., 2007- Circulation
    Mackenzie, Brooks, & O'Connor, 2006- Annals of Epidemiology
    Nettleton, Lutsey, Wang, Lima, Michos, & Jacobs, 2009- Diabetes Care
    Yang, 2010- Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine


    Beyond that, the OP said that he has had the experience that diet soda has been halting his weight loss, and he is asking for help and guidance to quit drinking diet soda. If you don't wish to help him in that goal, it's probably best not to reply in the first place.
  • skaulakh
    skaulakh Posts: 2 Member
    if there's a particular citrus fruit u enjoy, like orange or lemon, try a squeeze of that in club soda. it's like having a soda, but without the added calories or regular soda, or the post-aspartame crash caused by diet sodas. I feel ur pain because i was a person that had 1 coke zero and 1 fresca per day . now i drink loads more water, and occasionally have a diet soda.
    in the effort to get healthy and lose weight a lot of people tend to use artificial sweetener a lot, and like other users have commented, that practice is counter-productive. occasionally using artificial sweeteners in foods/drinks isn't so bad, but diet soda/sugar free syrups/artificial sweetener on a daily basis will really mess with you body chemistry.
  • drunknpoetry
    drunknpoetry Posts: 4
    To give up diet soda, I switched to one a day and used the sugar free crystal lights or MIO added to water. After a few weeks, I started adding slices of lemons or cucumber to flavor the water.

    I found the less I thought about soda, the better off I was. I work in a job where I bring my own beverages, and do not have access to anything but what I bring, so I would only bring water.

    I also like vitamin water, if I am craving something with flavor. You also get to where different brands of water taste better. I use a special filter on my tap at home, which I like.
  • sparklyball
    sparklyball Posts: 93 Member
    I will offer up what worked for me. I decided to get rid of the caffeine as well as the artificial sweetener in my diet. I posted on here and had several options given to me. I drink two things to help me with my Diet Pepsi addiction. The first is La Croix sparkling water-it has no calories or artificial sweeteners. It's bitter, but it helps feed my fizz addiction. The other thing I use is True Lemon Lemonade which has Stevia in it. It's like Crystal Light but without the artificial sweetener in it. I found that a lot of my health issue magically disappeared when I got rid of the caffeine and artificial sweeteners (headaches, joint aches, overall feeling like crap).

    Best of luck!
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