Are carbs evil ???

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  • apeecaleb
    apeecaleb Posts: 58 Member
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    My father is diabetic and has changed his diet dramatically, he has taught me so much over the years and almost always about the difference between good and bad carbs. Bad carbs meaning white rice, white pasta, just about anything processed. Good carbs being whole wheats, fruit, veggies and so on. Good carbs metabolize slower in your body making it easier to break down and not to mention are just healthier for you. And of course it's all about proportions, even with good carbs. Hope this helps, it did for me and I was able to make great changes in my diet.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,411 MFP Moderator
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    I read that everytime you eat carbs, God kills a kitten.

    Love it!
  • TimWeis75
    TimWeis75 Posts: 30
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    if you are serious about losing weight completely exclude potatoes and bread from your diet because both are junk food, you'd be amazed at the results

    WRONG!

    Potatoes are a wonderful food. They are packed with a lot of nutrients that are exceedingly good for your body. Bread too is fine in moderation (we could talk about the value of whole grain vs white, but not now).

    Here's a quick guide: protein = muscle and tissue regeneration, carbs = quick energy. If I recall my anatomy classes, it is much easier for your body to take carbs and turn them directly into energy than many other foods. Just remember to stay within your calorie limit because the danger is that starchy foods are packed with calories.
    That's not entirely wrong. All carbohydrates turn to blood glucose quickly. In response, your body fires up insulin production to force blood glucose levels down.

    Insulin is "the storage hormone". Your body will force muscle/skin/internal organs to rely on stored glycogen and then force them to consume blood glycogen. If those cells aren't taking blood glycogen fast enough to bring down blood sugar levels, your liver is enlisted to convert that blood glycogen to fat, which is stored under your skin.

    Food for thought: The glycemic index (GI) of table sugar is 64. GI of most soft drinks is 63. The GI for shredded wheat cereal is 75. The GI for most store-bought 100% whole wheat breads is 70.

    Don't believe the hype.

    Most of the nutrients found in potatoes and bread are also found in avocados and olives, which have a super-low glycemic index and, in the case of the avocado, half your daily fiber recommendations.
  • natachan
    natachan Posts: 149
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    Like I said, I was grossly oversimplifying.

    Plus, gross, avocados. Yuck.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    stick to low GI carbs, works 100% but don't read what's on the pack in the supermarket, this is the only reliable source http://www.montignac.com/en/search-for-a-specific-glycemic-index/

    besides the fact that GI is mostly irrelevant to the avg person

    An 18-mo randomized trial of a low-glycemic-index diet and weight change in Brazilian women

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/3/707.abstract

    Conclusions: Long-term weight changes were not significantly different between the HGI and LGI diet groups; therefore, this study does not support a benefit of an LGI diet for weight control. Favorable changes in lipids confirmed previous results.

    Reduced glycemic index and glycemic load diets do not increase the effects of energy restriction on weight loss and insulin sensitivity in obese men and women.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177201

    In summary, lowering the glycemic load and glycemic index of weight reduction diets does not provide any added benefit to energy restriction in promoting weight loss in obese subjects.

    Long-term effects of 2 energy-restricted diets differing in glycemic load on dietary adherence, body composition, and metabolism in CALERIE: a 1-y randomized controlled trial

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/85/4/1023.abstract?ijkey=57903af923cb2fcdc065ffd37b00a32e22f4c5cf&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

    Conclusions:These findings provide more detailed evidence to suggest that diets differing substantially in glycemic load induce comparable long-term weight loss.

    No effect of a diet with a reduced glycaemic index on satiety, energy intake and body weight in overweight and obese women.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923862

    CONCLUSION:

    This study provides no evidence to support an effect of a reduced GI diet on satiety, energy intake or body weight in overweight/obese women. Claims that the GI of the diet per se may have specific effects on body weight may therefore be misleading.
  • TimWeis75
    TimWeis75 Posts: 30
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    Like I said, I was grossly oversimplifying.

    Plus, gross, avocados. Yuck.
    Why not get energy from fat, which has -no- effect on blood glucose levels, and therefore no insulin response (and therefore no storage)?
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    Like I said, I was grossly oversimplifying.

    Plus, gross, avocados. Yuck.
    Why not get energy from fat, which has -no- effect on blood glucose levels, and therefore no insulin response (and therefore no storage)?

    please stop with this nonsense and get informed

    from Jamie Hale
    You are probably referring to the theory that assumes insulin and blood levels of fat should never be raised at the same time. This theory assumes that insulin is the key contributor to obesity. There are a few things wrong with this line of thought. One of the key problems is not recognizing something called Acylation Stimulating Protein. Acylation stimulating protein (ASP) is a hormone produced by adipocytes and is of importance for the storage of energy as fat. The consumption of dietary fat alone can increase fat storage. Dietary fat affects fat cell metabolism with NO INCREASE in insulin. Some studies have indicated dietary fat loading found a decrease in HSL (hormone sensitive lipase) and an activation of fat storage despite no increase in insulin. The key reason was activation of acylation stimulating protein (ASP) which is activated by the presence of chylomicrons (basically packaged triglycerides that are found in the bloodstream after the meal). ASP increases glucose uptake into the fat cell, increases insulin release from the pancreas and has been described as 'the most potent stimulator of triglyceride storage' in the fat cells by numerous scientists. Another problem with this line of thought is some proteins causes substantial elevations in insulin. Minimal levels of insulin affect fat cell metabolism. Basal levels can decrease lipolysis by 50%.
  • hottottie11
    hottottie11 Posts: 907 Member
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    if you are serious about losing weight completely exclude potatoes and bread from your diet because both are junk food, you'd be amazed at the results

    I eat all of the above and I'm very serious about my weight loss....I mean look at my avatar
  • Uerzer
    Uerzer Posts: 273
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    No kidding!... Stop with the scientific nonsense... I have PROOF!!! Pictures!

    evil-carb.jpg

    See? carbs are evil.

    :flowerforyou:
  • hamncheese67
    hamncheese67 Posts: 1,715 Member
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    No kidding!... Stop with the scientific nonsense... I have PROOF!!! Pictures!

    evil-carb.jpg

    See? carbs are evil.

    :flowerforyou:

    Awesome pic!
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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    No kidding!... Stop with the scientific nonsense... I have PROOF!!! Pictures!

    evil-carb.jpg

    See? carbs are evil.

    :flowerforyou:

    Major kudos. That is an awesome picture.
  • micksvetlana
    micksvetlana Posts: 7
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    Genius!!!
  • calliope_music
    calliope_music Posts: 1,242 Member
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    they're bad for me just because my body responds very poorly to them (insulin resistance). i have to limit what i eat and most of it, for me at least, should be vegetables (note i said should, lol). however, as others have said, just don't go overboard....they are the main source of energy for your body. maybe try more protein? your body can use that as energy too.
  • jobie4153
    jobie4153 Posts: 40
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    Only 15 carbs a day? My dietician told me 15- 20 carbs for snacks (up to 3 snacks a day) and 45-60 carbs for meals, which makes 240 the most I should have in one day. I wonder if she is wrong and I should use less?
  • thelowcarbrecipes
    thelowcarbrecipes Posts: 89 Member
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    Ketosis is the way forward. so easy
  • HauteP1nk
    HauteP1nk Posts: 2,139 Member
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    There are good carbs and there are bad carbs....

    Focus on complex carbs. Skip refined products, avoid foods where they say 'sugar added' or sugar is one of the first three ingredients, choose whole grains (oats, brans, whole wheat), beans, legumes, fruits & vegetables, etc.
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
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    The good carbs are pink, right?

    donut.jpg?w=420&h=315
  • PJilly
    PJilly Posts: 21,737 Member
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    Time to go fix my Sunday-morning pancake.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
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  • bluebird321
    bluebird321 Posts: 733 Member
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    My wife eats a huge amount of carbs everyday and doesn't go over 130 lbs (she is 5 ft 9 in). I eat carbs and pack on the weight. Life just isnt' fair. That example is just anecdotal, but everyone seems to have a different metabolic profile due to a bunch of different factors. Do a lot of research and experiment to find out what works for you.

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