Pasta, Not Bacon, Makes You Fat. But How?

If abs are a measure of correct-ness..... I vote for Acg. He eats Ben & Jerry's every day.

One person's sucess or failure does NOT equal a scientific study.

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I do agree with this. N=1. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa. I think that is extremely important to keep in mind--for all of us.

Insulin…an Undeserved Bad Reputation

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Since it appears no one looked at the article:

"One misconception regarding a high carbohydrate intake is that it will lead to chronically high insulin levels, meaning you will gain fat because lipogenesis will constantly exceed lipolysis (remember that fat gain can only occur if the rate of lipogenesis exceeds the rate of lipolysis). However, in healthy people, insulin only goes up in response to meals. This means that lipogenesis will only exceed lipolysis during the hours after a meal (known as the postprandial period). During times when you are fasting (such as extended times between meals, or when you are asleep), lipolysis will exceed lipogenesis (meaning you are burning fat). Over a 24-hour period, it will all balance out (assuming your are not consuming more calories than you are expending), meaning you do not gain weight. "

"One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low. For example, there is an enzyme in your fat cells called hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL helps break down fat. Insulin suppresses the activity of HSL, and thus suppresses the breakdown of fat. This has caused people to point fingers at carbohydrate for causing fat gain.

However, fat will also suppress HSL even when insulin levels are low. This means you will be unable to lose fat even when carbohydrate intake is low, if you are overeating on calories. If you ate no carbohydrate but 5,000 calories of fat, you would still be unable to lose fat even though insulin would not be elevated. This would be because the high fat intake would suppress HSL. This also means that, if you’re on a low carbohydrate diet, you still need to eat less calories than you expend to lose weight."

My wife and I get about 300g of carbs/daily because of fruits and vegetables (eat about 4 oranges, a banana, 1 or 2 apples, 2 carrots and vegs in every meals)...that is 3 times the recommended amount and she is too skinny even though she NEVER exercises. She gets also a piece of dark chocolate every day and all our other fat intake comes from fish, yogurts and cheese. I am fatter (about 16%) even though I exercise a lot...that is due to exceptions to my diet (beers, peanuts, socialisation, etc.). Of course we eat bread and pasta, I mean we have a normal life, right? I would never try something I could not keep for the rest of my life...eating no bread or pasta is exactly tht. What is the point to cut them for a month or three if everything comes back when I restart?


We are not american, it is completely anormal for us to buy processed food. We never went to a fast food simply because we have "french cuisinne" at home. So carbs and fat in pizza are bad, but comon, all friends with 6 pack abs eat bread and pasta!

O lost 57lbs in 8 months and never cut anything out or went low carb high protein I regained due yoyoing but I think I lost preety fast and had the energy to do lots of exercise and drop 36 inches too

The underlying idea is that the insulin spike/drop caused by high carb foods causes you to feel hungry and thus eat more, which the basis for the South Beach Diet, the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, the Woman Doctor's Diet for Women, and a bunch of others.

Yes, but add fat and/or protein to that carb and the insulin reaction is drastically reduced - so it's all just junk science any way.

A balanced diet that includes the foods you love, at a caloric deficit - barring any metobolic disorder - is really all you need to lose weight.

I see so many of my friends struggling to cut out entire food categories because they think it's a magic bullet. Then they "cheat" and go so wildly overboard. Ultimately I don't see any more success in them than I've seen in myslef eating bread every day and Oreos A LOT.

You don't have to believe. I'll just reap the benefits and continue to astound doctors with excellent cholesterol/trig/ blood glucose readings and nice, low blood pressure readings as they say, "You're eating mainly meat and leafy greens? Meat with SKIN ON? MARBLED grass-fed steak?! You're a freak of nature!" And I'll just laugh.

and are you going to substantiate this claim at all?

"I think it's funny how no matter how much proof there is that carbs, especially refined ones (although all of them to a degree), not fat, cause obesity, people will still shake their heads and stomp around like a three year old who has been told they can't have a lollipop.
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It works for her so it automatically must work for everyone else and we are evil if we eat carbs.

And now for a pop quiz question: If all snorks are gronks, and all gronks are snoods, are all snoods snorks?

I eat pasta every day and I LOVE IT! I've been on maintenance for several months and never had a problem losing or maintaining while eating my daily carbs. There is no way I will eliminate my favorite foods. I love a balanced diet! It doesn't really matter what you eat, it's how much you eat! Excess calories make you fat! :drinker:

Pasta and bread portions in this country are completely out of control. If you eat a sensible portion size and incorporate pastas into a healthy balanced diet, they do not make you fat. Sorry, but millions of Italians can't be wrong. (I'm talking in Italy, not the Americanized super-size-me Italian restaurants). Just like white rice as a staple of Asian diets.

Everything in moderation and as part of a balanced diet with your calories in/calories out balanced.