not about weight..but about a creepy guy..advice please

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  • According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people that directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking

    1st- do not cuss him out- next time you see him, tell him in a respectful way that what he is doing makes you uncomfortable, please stop. Hard to do but necessary. He could think he is flirting with you if he is a drunk and you have to let him know in no uncertain terms that you are not interested.
    then,
    write him a cease and desist letter, be logical, and explain that his behavior is menacing and you would like it to stop. LET HIM KNOW YOU FEEL HE IS STALKING YOU (WRITE THAT IN THE LETTER) and detail the dates and time that you have asked him to stop the behavior. have it notarized and send it certified or overnight, signature required. SEND A COPY TO THE LANDLORD, also certified, signature required. ** when you type the letter include the tracking number of the package or certified tracking number in the body of the letter.....

    keep copies of everything and a detailed log about what he does and when he does it. (see the link below for a downloadable log sheet) take pictures to add to the log.

    the next time he scares you, hides and says boo, CALL THE POLICE. AND KEEP CALLING THEM EVERYTIME HE DOES IT. Call them if he is walking around drunk, etc.

    If it continues, you will have evidence of stalking, and will be able to get an order of protection.
    visit the stalking resource center: http://www.ncvc.org/src/main.aspx?dbID=DB_IncidentandBehaviorLog(goodone)759


    If he has a record, is a sex offender etc, the first call to police will most likely land him in jail.

    DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH THIS STUFF...


    OH THIS IS PERFECT!!! going to keep it for myself as well.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    You are right it's not the victims fault, but it is how the crazies think, isn't it? Do we not wear low cut, tight, super short clothes to get looks? I do it. So a person who doesn't appreciate boundaries may think that she wants to be watched, touched or taken. It is an excuse they use. Maybe he doesn't look at the other young woman in the building because she dresses in looser clothing. Dressing for safety is no different than avoiding bad neighborhoods. You can not control the inappropriate behavior of others, just make sure you do what you need to to be safe. And get some pepper spray. He deserves a face full next time he jumps out at you or comes to your door.

    This really is inaccurate. There are many more things to be wary off that are more important than clothing choice. Targeting for assault has more to do with the perceived vulnerability of the victim than it does with the tightness of their shirt. Your claim might make sense to you and I recognize that it's coming from a place with good intentions, but it does serve to reinforce an ideology of victim blame ('well if she wasn't wearing THAT outfit...).
  • auroranflash
    auroranflash Posts: 3,569 Member
    Legally covering your own butt, talk to the apartment manager in person, but also send them a certified letter regarding the harassment. Keep a copy of the letter, and your receipt from it being certified, just in case you need it for proof/evidence later.

    I agree with keeping a log of every time this person makes you feel uncomfortable. Make sure to include date, time, and what was done that made you feel uncomfortable.

    Go with your gut. Don't provoke him. And get a dog if you can (from the shelter if possible). :)

    I'll say a prayer for you that everything works out OK. Sometimes apartment managers can be very thick-headed, you have to keep after them and keep a log of EVERYTHING! God bless.
  • jenbooks
    jenbooks Posts: 55 Member
    Get this book and read it: The Gift of Fear by Gavin Becker. ( http://www.amazon.com/Gift-Fear-Gavin-Becker/dp/0440226198 )
  • FoamyRiver
    FoamyRiver Posts: 276 Member
    Wasp spray works well too and is readily available at most grocery stores, convenience stores, big box stores, etc. Whereas mace/pepper spray sometimes aren't easy to find.
  • CountryBoy65
    CountryBoy65 Posts: 908 Member
    And get some pepper spray. He deserves a face full next time he jumps out at you or comes to your door.


    Beware of the pepper spray. When I was a State Trooper, I had to endure pepper spray in training before I could carry it. I stood 6 feet away from the instructor, who sprayed about a 10 second burst of pepper spray into my eyes, nose and mouth...after which I went after him, took him to the ground, took his weapon and handcuffed him. If I had been the bad guy, he would have been a dead man. It hurt like hell and it was some nasty stuff, but it does not always stop someone from hurting you....
  • KrisyKat
    KrisyKat Posts: 740 Member
    I'd give him a taste of his own medicine and start doing things to creep HIM out. Make it your ultimate goal to get him to avoid you. Here's some fun ideas...

    1. Whenever he looks at you, dig your nose---extra points if you pretend to eat boogers.

    2. When he tries to start a convo, bring up subjects like period blood, yeast infections, and the size/color/shape of your bowel movements.

    3. Invite over your most obnoxious friend/family member over and have THEM converse with him in the hall---extra points if you can get the person to act like they have a crush on him (doesn't matter what sex they are.)

    4. Don't put on deodorant when you do your stairs bit- get nice and sweaty and make sure you REAK. Don't brush your teeth either- halitosis works wonders!

    5. Try to fart during every encounter. If you can't, buy a fart machine keychain or download the fart sound app on your phone.

    6. Repay his "BOO" routine with a good old punch to the face (make sure it's instant.) No one can say you did it on purpose- hey, you were startled. Plead self-defense!

    7. Make constant hurtful remarks like, "Wow, you're getting fat!" OR "I hope I don't look as bad as you when I'm 40" OR "Why are you always drinking?- Beer doesn't fix ugly!"

    I could think of a lot more, but I'll let other MFP-ers give it a go...

    BEST OF LUCK!!!
  • becoming_a_new_me
    becoming_a_new_me Posts: 1,860 Member
    Coming from a former rape victim, absolutely report him to your landlord, get a good picture of him and report him to the police. My rapist was a creepy neighbor too. I avoided eye contact with him, skirted around him, anything to avoid him. Once night, he broke into my apartment and did his thing while my roommate slept in the next room. I was 23 at the time, and he scared the crap out of me. Our landlord was a police officer, and told me that had I reported the guys behavior then he would have been warned or evicted. As it was, after the incident happened and the police showed up, the guy was spooked and took off. They never found him and I never had justice.

    After that, I took a self defense class, and I learned the following things:

    1. Always stand straight with your head held high. While you do not want to "lock eyes" with your stalker, you do want him to know that you are confident and know he is watching. Therefore, make sure that you look at him so he knows you saw him. I tend to also give the evil eye when I do this.

    2. If you have not taken a self defense class take one. They teach you where to kick and how to do it to disable your attacker.

    3. Make noise if he comes anywhere near you. If he does start to attack you, yell "fire". People don't respond to screams for help, but if they think that their own person or property is in danger, the will respond.

    4. Also related to if he attacks you...kick, scream, bite, scratch, head butt...whatever it takes, but be a major pain in the *kitten*. If he has a weapon, this is different, but most do not use a weapon.

    5. Get all information you can about the person. Write down his name, address, make and model of car, license plate number, VIN #, whatever. Also keep a log of every-single interaction with him whether it seems trivial or not.

    Be safe and good luck!! As to clothing choice...tighter is harder to get off, but most attackers do not make a choice of target because of clothing. There is usually something else, it could be you remind him of an ex-girlfriend, have a certain color hair, or carry yourself a certain way that tripped his trigger.
  • sarahp86
    sarahp86 Posts: 692 Member
    If you are in fear for your safety do something now. He could be testing the water to see how far he can push you without retaliation. He could also have mental health issues or learning disabilities.

    Make a complaint to your landlord and talk with the police if there is a community policing section they could advise you. Maybe get a friend to stay with you or put up a dummy CCTV camera over your door. He doesn't have to k ow its fake.

    Just be safe and look after yourself
  • chrissismone
    chrissismone Posts: 116 Member
    Honey I would be in jail and plead insanity bc he is in my personal space and I feel stalked and threatend. I would let him know to back the hell back and if not I would also make alot of notes as he could turn stalker like. I would inform the landlord and if needed the police. Knocking on someone door when he knows you live alone at night is grounds in my book to stab or shoot.
  • neekz0r
    neekz0r Posts: 41 Member
    i know i shouldn't cuss him out but im just so fed up....& i deff. am going to talk to my landlord ..shes a women i hope she will understand..i just feel like maybe im over reacting..like boys will be boys? because i said this to someone and they said to not be so dramatic that hes just ****ing with you... not a big deal. but im scared, i hate going outside now


    This is not "boys will be boys" and you do my gender a disservice in even suggesting it's so.


    That being said, landlord first, confrontation with pepper spray back up second.
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    BEAR MACE! Not pepper spray!
  • ebaywidow
    ebaywidow Posts: 30
    I work as a legal advocate & deal with circumstances like this often, but it is lengthy...I'm going to message you to give you some help.
  • taunto
    taunto Posts: 6,420 Member
    Do these things

    - Call landlord. Tell him what you shared with us.
    - Call the police. Tell them what you shared with us, give them his address and name (that you'll get from the landlord if you dont already know) and ask them if he's got some sorta record like sex offender or anything.
    - Keep a bat near your door.
    - Keep pepper spray, theres some that you can put on your keychain. If he tries to scare you, just pepper spray him (after checking talking to the autorities, tell them that you're feeling scared and you'll be keeping a pepper spray and will be using it on him if he tries something like this, this way you have an alibi sorta). After pepper spray, scream on top of your lungs while trying to get the bat and beat him as much as possible. This is violent, yes, but atleast you're safe from a creep who's on purpose trying to scare you
  • ebaywidow
    ebaywidow Posts: 30
    Message sent to you...hope it helps. If you have any more questions, feel free to message me.
  • xoAmyxo
    xoAmyxo Posts: 110
    thanks everyone for posting to me..the day i wrote this it actually blew up..lol..sadly my mom said something while she was drunk and i didn't want to speak to him and i heard him talking crap so i turned around and went off on him and told him he was a no god piece of ****, creepy old mother f*cker lol..he told me that i was mental and needed to be put in a hospital..and that he sees me as a "child" nothing more and how hes not watching me hes PROTECTING ME...lol who says this to a STRANGER?? lol...i told him that i didn't need that..that he doesn't know me well enough to be saying the stuff hes been saying..he said it was just him shootin the *kitten*..i told him id beat his *kitten* if he came near me again..i know I shouldn't have said the things i said but i couldn't help it..lucky my brother was there..because the guy started walking towards me and my brother stuck up for me and said listen you don't know her, shes 21, you need to leave alone ..so he said he would leave me alone and not speak to me anymore and all that...i still cant get over how he said his excuse for staring was because hes protecting me..how is that normal..fyi this guy does not know me from the man in the moon. I feel better about telling him off..now i just hope he just leaves me alone and doesn't take it to the next time because i could tell just me being a women and telling him off like i did majorly pissed him off..and also me being so young & calling him a creeper really really pissed him off...also another thing..i never ONCE brought this word into the conversation..but the guy on his own kept saying "im not a pedophile" i never said this word yall..why would he just bring that up out of the blue on his own? why would he even be thinking like that?
  • taunto
    taunto Posts: 6,420 Member
    Amy, this last post you made just alarmed me very much. There are many things you described me thats very alarming. I would really appreciate it if the very first thing you do right this second is call the police, tell them word for word what happened with your family still around you. KEEP MACE ON YOU PLEASE! God forbid but the way you're describing, he might try something funny so please, call the landlord right now along with the police and describe them word for word, Have them pay him a visit so he knows that you've informed the police about what went on today and so that if anything were to happen to you (once again, I hope not) you've already told people about it.

    I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just being precautious and you should take every measure to prevent from this creep.
  • xoAmyxo
    xoAmyxo Posts: 110
    riz- in a way it scared me to...when he started walking towards me...this guy is tall but probably like a buck 40 and really old and beat up looking..i know im silly to think i could kick his *kitten* but i think I could and i will if he trys me anymore..that being said..me putting my fighting side away and realizing that I do not know this guy & that i am a girl .. I am being cautious, my mom is with me and my brother is with me and my mom actually told me to be really careful the next few days for sure. I really did try to control my temper and not cuss him out ..but its so hard not to defend your self and i should have done it in a better way....also i read all the comments about the clothes...i don't really dress sexy..and when i work out i don't wear a tight shirt..i wear tight shorts but still it doesn't matter what i wear. a freak is a freak.
  • taunto
    taunto Posts: 6,420 Member
    Listen, this isnt about self defense or you being surrounded by family or friends for the next couple of weeks anymore. I still strongly urge you to call the police AND the landlord, have them come over your place right now and have them have a talk with the creep. These are necessary steps to prevent him from doing anything in the future. Once again, I really hope my fears arent valid but I am a careful person and maybe its the rough life I've lived or the area I have lived all my life but I'm thinking you definitely should bring in some re-inforcements to let him know that you're not messing around and have told people about him. Alot of things you said in your post about the confrontation are very alarming and you should definitely get the police involved now
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    What riz9007 said is pretty spot on. The comments the person made are really crossing a line. Contact the authorities and bldg management as soon as possible.

    It's not worth it to take the risk because he doesn't look like much. This also isn't about being safe for the next few days, this is about being safe, period.

    I sincerely hope everything turns out ok for you.
  • jmehere
    jmehere Posts: 108 Member
    I agree with Riz also. This is what we have police departments for.
  • becoming_a_new_me
    becoming_a_new_me Posts: 1,860 Member
    My creeper kept telling me that it was for my own good the whole time he did his thing to me. You have got to follow the advice of riz...for your own safety. Guys that say things like "I was just protecting you" are finding ways to justify their actions. Next he'll be attacking you telling you that he's just trying to show you what can happen if he is not protecting you. Please get the police involved. Now.
  • AussieGem
    AussieGem Posts: 96 Member
    Agreed with the posters above. Please please call the police now if you havent done so. His "excuses" are alraming, you hear all to often from victims that their attackers thought that they were, protecting, sharing their 'love' and all that sort of crap. You do not know what this guy is actually capable of or what he actually believes.

    Do not aggitate him even more, although it is good that you have your mother and brother with you, you really have to think about the time in future where they wont be there ... when people get fixated, it is scary how long they can 'watch and wait'.

    This is about your personal security ... from what you have told us, everyone on MFP is concerned and we dont have all the facts etc. Please follow their awesome advice ... NOW!! riz gave great advice and also iddreams. If nothing changes in the future, you need to move (no if or buts about it!).

    Follow your gut ... use your head and stay safe!
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